Here’s another one along similar but more generalized lines.
http://theconversation.com/blade-runners-problem-with-women-remains-unsolved-in-its-sequel-85398
This is a good article that I mostly agree with, though notably it doesn’t really say anything that you’ve been saying.
Found this immediately when searching for “Blade Runner nudity.” I’m sure y’all will disagree with it though.
http://curnblog.com/2017/11/19/nudity-blade-runner-2049-hollywood-gaze/
I stopped reading at this part
As such, it presents a major dilemma. There is no reason for Joi to be naked here except to titillate the audience, especially when one considers that the actress who plays her wasn’t fully undressed in prior scenes. Here, she could have been clothed and offered the same or even a stronger message: that K is lonely without her. But nude, she makes it clear that there’s something else going on, a different kind of filmmaking choice.
That choice is the objectification of women. And it’s not a valid one to make in this or any case.
The author make no attempt whatsoever to even try to understand the point that the filmmaker is making here, or else he’s purposefully ignoring it to make his point.
Again, I say I have no problem with someone taking issue with the nudity/female representation in BR2049. But it is headbashingly annoying to make an argument about it and either straight up ignore or make no attempt to analyze the intent of the filmmaking.
The last half hour featured (surprise!) another wholly unnecessary nude woman, which happened to be the most blatant example of all of them. Go ahead and explain why the giant Joi hologram had to be naked and not dressed in any of the clothes she wore while with K/Joe. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
I don’t know why you keep asking me to do this. Yes I have a perfectly good explanation. But you refuse to listen to any of my reasoning.
Also, I checked out the scene I couldn’t remember (the one where the prostitute gets out of bed naked) and it’s absolutely absurd that you think that shot is purposefully objectifying her. If you’re going to argue that the filmmakers’ shot composition is objectifying women, please actually analyze the shot first. The only way that shot is objectifying her is if you think the mere presence of female nudity is inherently objectifying. Which is totally fine if that’s your opinion. But don’t pretend that you think it depends how it portrayed, because at this point I seriously doubt that’s how you actually feel. Again, if you have a problem with female nudity on principle, that’s totally okay.
Honestly I have no idea how to respond to this, I don’t understand your point any more than you seem to understand mine, so I’ll just give up.
I understand your point completely. I grant you that you seem to not understand mine, or at least not have any interest in engaging with it.
But this is one of those things that’s stupid and inconsequential. Most actresses/actors have no issue with nudity, and I don’t see how a film for adults would do any harm.
It’s an important issue worth discussing, even if Frink is wrong in this particular case.
The last half hour featured (surprise!) another wholly unnecessary nude woman, which happened to be the most blatant example of all of them. Go ahead and explain why the giant Joi hologram had to be naked and not dressed in any of the clothes she wore while with K/Joe. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
I don’t know why you keep asking me to do this. Yes I have a perfectly good explanation. But you refuse to listen to any of my reasoning.
Also, I checked out the scene I couldn’t remember (the one where the prostitute gets out of bed naked) and it’s absolutely absurd that you think that shot is purposefully objectifying her. If you’re going to argue that the filmmakers’ shot composition is objectifying women, please actually analyze the shot first. The only way that shot is objectifying her is if you think the mere presence of female nudity is inherently objectifying. Which is totally fine if that’s your opinion. But don’t pretend that you think it depends how it portrayed, because at this point I seriously doubt that’s how you actually feel. Again, if you have a problem with female nudity on principle, that’s totally okay.
No, I’m just tired of the constant bitching over crap that has no impact on my life whatsoever. And that’s really what most of the internet has to offer. This “comicsgate” is most likely that.
Handman isn’t stopping anyone from caring about a thing he doesn’t want to investigate. And I don’t think it’s insensitive to not care about something that somebody else might care about.
It’s just funny (hypocritical?) that he himself is bitching about other people who are bitching.
The key difference being, he’s bitching about something inconsequential to him, that being other people bitching about something that is consequential to them.
I thought I did… now I don’t know what to think…
Then again, I’m not a woman, so my opinion should carry less weight.
Well at least someone gets it.
You’re a woman?
I don’t mind the ending of Rogue One, but maybe it’s just because you hardly ever see a movie that’s willing to do it. Looking at you, Serenity. Would have been a perfect ending to a great movie but you didn’t quite have the guts.
I also don’t care about Ponda…yeah I’d agree it’s pointless, but it’s also one shot in a movie over two hours long. Shrug.
I don’t care about Ponda either. It’s dumb and it lasts too long. But whatever, it’s only a few seconds. My point is that just because a movie references something fans know doesn’t mean it’s automatically bad. It’s how they do it that matters.
One could argue that the ad is a depiction of how in the dystopian future, women are objectified even further than in the present. Whether it’s a good depiction is another question, and the answer is probably no, but it doesn’t bother me much, if at all. Then again, I’m not a woman, so my opinion should carry less weight.
I’m not going to say that the movie is perfect when it comes to gender politics. You play with fire you’re going to get at least a little bit burned. But you can’t completely ignore that the filmmakers intentions were in the right place. It’s obvious what they were trying to say.
-Post-sex scene…which is even more ridiculous since they purposely kept the camera at shoulder height pre-sex secne, then didn’t even show any sex. And Ryan wasn’t even in the room, let alone the bed.
I legitimately don’t remember any nudity in this part so I won’t comment… I do have some thoughts, but I will have to revisit first.
-Random Vegas statues in nonsensical poses, naked except for heels…what the hell was that? And yes I know they were just statues. Still ridiculous.
It’s Vegas. That it’s ridiculous is the fucking point. It’s not supposed to be “yeah this city’s awesome we got naked statues fuck yeah!” The city is absolutely destroyed. The symbolism here is pretty easy to discern.
-Yes, holographic billboard. Worst offender of any of these. Completely gratuitous.
I don’t know what’s so hard to understand about making a comment on exploitation. The billboard is advertising a woman as a literal object. The objectification is 100% the point that’s being made.
30 minutes left to go in Blade Runner 2049…
…and somehow there’s been three more scenes with completely unnecessary female nudity. While I disagree with the justification provided for the initial scene, at least I understand why y’all would make it. These three, I see zero reason for them and I’d love to hear you try to justify them this time.
I can only remember one (the holographic billboard), unless you’re talking about multiple instances of that same thing?
I think people misuse the word “pointless” when it comes to “pointless fan service.” A lot of people see fan service and assume automatically that it must be “pointless.” In my mind, pointless fan service is a thing that happens in service of only the fans, and not the story. If it can do both, it’s no longer pointless.
Bad fan service is when it’s checklist storytelling - and here we have Ponda Baba, and next we have this, and then that, etc. One of the worst for me is at the end of Rogue One when they kill the whole crew. Most of those deaths don’t have any meaning or purpose in regards to the story, they just kill them to satisfy fans looking for a “dark” and “mature” Star Wars movie.
Solo could easily fall into this trap, but in my mind, stuff like “winning the Falcon” sounds like a plot point, rather than something that happens just for the sake of it. We’ll see, I guess.
^I sort of had the thought that that might be the case, and then I think there was some editing early on in this episode that kinda confirmed it for me before the actual reveal. Fun development.
I wouldn’t put “I’m Only Sleeping” as my favorite, but “Yellow Submarine” is definitely the worst.
Depending on demographics, bringing kids is pretty much synonymous with bringing people.
The median age in Gaza is 18, way under the global average. Almost exactly half of the population is kids.
That seems like a pretty weak reason.
Seriously.
Maybe the people at fault here aren’t the kids or the kids’ parents? Just a thought.
Because someone had to say it (and because it was the first one that came to mind):
Star Wars
I’m good actually.
No thanks.
to be fair, i think the prequels would benefit immensely if the cgi was remade.
Disagree.
I figured he was in a factory, and those were always around when I worked in one.
I wouldn’t know, but cool if true.
Have you considered using one of these?
Oh nice, I rode around one of those at work yesterday, always fun.
I would never consider myself an Arctic Monkeys fan and only vaguely enjoy some of their past work, but that new album is really fucking good.
Solo reactions coming in, all positive so far, which probably means it’s safe to assume people on this site will hate it.
Don’t cut yourself on that edge, pal.
I’m reading that it’s clunky, but finds it way once the main plot kicks in. Excited, but also nervous about it as well.
Sorry, I meant to say everyone here will love it, as is always the case.
Solo reactions coming in, all positive so far, which probably means it’s safe to assume people on this site will hate it.
