Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

They had two whole seasons recorded before it was cancelled.

What do you mean by recorded? Because if you mean what I think, I find that hard to believe.

Voice recording. Dee Bradley Baker has come out and said as much.

I somehow doubt very much that that’s actually true.

The Lost Missions were 13 episodes long. They’ve publicly shown an additional eight episodes in rough animatic form, comprised of two arcs, the second of which was the season 7 opener. As well as a glimpses of fully voiced scenes from two other arcs that were four episodes long each.

Well okay, I thought you had meant two seasons recorded in addition to all that they’ve already released. Even still, the suggestion that the dialogue recordings (and thus scripts) for the entirety of two seasons were all completely done seems somewhat unlikely to me. At least some of those episodes were probably still in progress when they were cancelled.

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

They had two whole seasons recorded before it was cancelled.

What do you mean by recorded? Because if you mean what I think, I find that hard to believe.

Voice recording. Dee Bradley Baker has come out and said as much.

I somehow doubt very much that that’s actually true.

Dek Rollins said:

chyron8472 said:

Dek Rollins said:

That’s the biggest problem here. I’m annoyed that implications are ignored, but I’m more annoyed by “hey, why don’t we just redo a bunch of stuff the old show did?”

I feel like they’re damned if they do and they’re damned if they don’t. If they do something similar, they get crap because it’s similar. If they do something different, they get crap because it’s different. Or it’s different in the wrong way, or it’s… whatever it is that people don’t know they want but know they don’t want that.

Voyager and Enterprise are too much like TNG. DS9 is too much like Babylon 5. The Kelvin Universe is too much like Star Wars but with an Apple-style aesthetic on the bridge. For that matter, Star Wars is now too much like Marvel or too much like A New Hope or Old Luke is not enough like Young Luke.

I feel like people too often enjoy not liking things. Whereas I’m saying people don’t have to like it but they don’t have to make the time to bitch about it either.

I love the original motion picture series.

Do you love all of them though?

I just think it’s weird that people like the bad stuff.

suspiciouscoffee said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rWiM1BQ5E

O…

O no…

That… is some fucking garbage.

coffee, this is the thread for that.

Also, that looks absolutely fucking terrible.

Tobar said:

They had two whole seasons recorded before it was cancelled.

What do you mean by recorded? Because if you mean what I think, I find that hard to believe.

I’d be surprised if they only dusted off old scripts and produced those. If this is Filoni’s chance to “finish” Clone Wars, he’s going to have to shuffle around, condense, and combine things.

Then again, maybe this won’t actually be the end.

Creox said:

Jay said:

Creox said:

I think it’s interesting there is a thread on SW jumping the shark or/and over-saturation in the same reality that has Marvel just releasing its what?..umpteenth flick about superheroes.

IMO it seems SW fans want their films to be rare events and in reality their wish for more comes with a lot of caveats.

Consumers eat up multiple comic book movies and 10-hour+ series every year. Marvel’s success suggests frequency and over-saturation aren’t the problem.

Not a problem with the MCU for sure but I think that is starting to erode a bit. How SW is different with respects to how fans respond to more content is a bit of a confusing topic for me. I love that there is more content and movies but many do not. I think it’s due to what I already posted. There is a very vocal percentage of SW super fans who look at the OT as sacred texts that should not be messed with in any way. The release of more and more movies (which appears to me to be the only medium that effects these fans) seems to anger them as it dilutes the religion so to speak? Not sure.

That sounds about right. It’s probably no surprise that a certain segment of fans find RO to be the best film they’ve done - a film that does little to expand the narrative beyond unnecessarily plugging a perceived “plot hole” in the original, and fulfilling the ultimate fan service of seeing Darth Vader commit a massacre (something that had simply been implied before). It’s very much a supplement to the OT.

Marvel’s success seems to be the exception rather than the rule. No one else has replicated it. Honestly the reason is painfully obvious - Marvel is a collection of franchises plural, rather than just one singular franchise. If there was a Guardians of the Galaxy movie out every year, it’s no guarantee whatsoever that they would all be a success.

I guess this is somewhat surprising, though not too shocking. They obviously have the means and the audience.

Can’t say I personally care very much, but I’ll definitely be watching.

Dirge said:

Star Wars was at its best during the late 1980s into the early 1990s. You had the three original movies which were all really good, and you could watch them whenever you wanted on your VCR.

Believe it or not all the things you just described still exist.

RogueLeader said:

Since all three prequel films use the same recording for the main title (if what I’ve heard in the past is true) has anyone considered using different versions of the main title for two of the prequel films? I’m having trouble finding other John Williams recordings beyond what was used for the other films, but I do think other non-Williams recordings could be interesting to use too.

I’ve done it for my prequel edits. TPM retains its recording, though I’ve swapped out AOTC and ROTS. Originally I had Gerhardt’s for AOTC and an alternate take from the original SW for ROTS, but now I’m leaning towards McNeely for AOTC and Williams’s Hollywood Sound recording for ROTS.

I also guess I need to find one for TLJ.

RogueLeader said:

Which versions did you use, if you can remember?

And wow, I actually didn’t notice that TFA and TLJ seem to use the same recording for the Main Title. If that’s the case, Episode IX will more than likely use the same recording as well, and I personally think it would be interesting if each film used a unique recording.

Since IX will probably be John Williams’ last Star Wars film, maybe he will re-record it. If he doesn’t though, there are some more options.

Technically Williams did rerecord for TLJ, though for whatever reason it was not ultimately used. Hopefully that’s not the case next time.

So I definitely would have to go with these four John Williams recordings, that way they are all still Williams:
Boston Pops Orchestra
The Hollywood Sound, LSO
Skywalker Symphony Orchestra
A Life in Music, LSO

I’ll just say I don’t think the Skywalker Symphony performance would work due to the slower than typical pacing. I should also probably point out that the Life in Music recording was not conducted by Williams, though it’s still a good one.

DominicCobb said:

Not interested in posting a picture, mostly because there are no good pictures of me.

But I will let you know what I look like by telling you all the celebrities I can remember that people at some point have said I look like (after which presumably one of you will make a composite picture of these guys that will look just like me):

• I get Mark Wahlberg most often, When I meet a new person there’s a 50/50 chance they’ll mention the resemblance
• I’ve gotten Matt Damon a few times
• JGL a handful of times
• Nick Jonas couple times
• one of the members of One Direction (no idea which)
• JFK once
• one or two others I’m forgetting

You can add young Han Solo to this list, which I got yesterday for whatever reason.

(paging snooker)

https://io9.gizmodo.com/lukes-magical-last-jedi-trick-gets-an-equally-magical-p-1827672086

moviefreakedmind said:

Refresh my memory if I’m wrong, but I really don’t remember the show explicitly stating that his adventures were necessarily breaking new ground.

Hmmmmmm

captainkirk said:

…To boldly go where no man has gone before.

Details on the Solo home video release https://www.slashfilm.com/solo-blu-ray-release/

I find this really interesting:

Deleted Scenes
Proxima’s Den
Corellian Foot Chase
Han Solo: Imperial Cadet
The Battle of Mimban: Extended
Han Versus Chewie: Extended
Snowball Fight!
Meet Dryden: Extended
Coaxium Double-Cross

not only have they included a decent amount of deleted scenes, one of them - “Snowball Fight!” - from what I read previously was actually a Lord/Miller thing.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

snooker said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

TV’s Frink said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Haarspalter said:

Collipso said:

do people hate dex’s diner’s scene because dex himself is a big pile of cgi shit or are there other reasons?

How about Ewan McGregors terrible reshoot beard?

Oh, and the wig.

It’s not even noticeable. General Dodonna’s the only one in SW with a distractingly fake beard.

Obi Wan in AoTC outside the club would like the world’s biggest word with you.

Mind provide a screenshot?

Fake beard:

Real beard:

My eyesight must be failing me; I can’t see a difference.

Collipso said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

snooker said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

TV’s Frink said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Haarspalter said:

Collipso said:

do people hate dex’s diner’s scene because dex himself is a big pile of cgi shit or are there other reasons?

How about Ewan McGregors terrible reshoot beard?

Oh, and the wig.

It’s not even noticeable. General Dodonna’s the only one in SW with a distractingly fake beard.

Obi Wan in AoTC outside the club would like the world’s biggest word with you.

Mind provide a screenshot?

Fake beard:

Real beard:

My eyesight must be failing me; I can’t see a difference.

me neither

TV’s Frink said:

Anyone who voted based on comments other people made deserve the shitty country they have. Voting shouldn’t be like a YouTube comment section.

I’ve never understood that mindset. It sounds like the logic of a child who only gets more angry and nasty when you tell them they’re misbehaving.

ZkinandBonez said:

dahmage said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I’m curious as to how people would have reacted to the “flying Leia” scene had something similar been done back in the 80’s. I really think this scene has the most polarized reactions in the entirety of TLJ. Some people love it, and others think it’s complete nonsense. Even my first reaction was “is this brilliant or silly?”. Maybe it’s the obvious CG-look of the moment that puts people off?

Or maybe it’s the fact that many anticipated a Leia death scene,

then all of a sudden she “flies” back to safety (it’s pretty jarring the first time). Or maybe GotG vol.2 was still to fresh in people’s memory and all they could think of was Yondu’s Mary Poppins scene.

I personally think it’s a really interesting idea, but I can’t help but find the execution of the scene to be a tad off. It’s the wide-shot of her flying (this shot) that weirds me out a bit. But none of this makes it a “bad” scene in my mind. Plus, it’s a scene that to me gets less weird the more I watch it, though I can’t tell if that’s a good or bad sign.

emphasis mine, i agree with much of your post, but that part stands out, and i think it is impossible for most of us to effectively gauge what our subconscious was doing as we watched this, but i strongly suspect that our collective thought was “ok, this is how she dies”, and then we were all wrong.

That’s exactly what I thought the first time I saw TLJ, so when her hand suddenly started twitching and her eyes opened it really caught me off guard. It’s a scene I didn’t really appreciate until I saw it a second time. For me that actually applies to all of the new films; I don’t properly watch them on their own terms until I sew it a second time.

I think the Internet has shifted a lot of the focus on the actual production of movies, and as a result we’re simply watching movies differently than before. Nowadays we expect so much beforhand, and there’s such a diverse range of opinions, preferences and pre-suppositions. Back in the 80s people really just wanted more SW. Now people want their interpretation of what SW should be. And of course there’s no established template for what that is.

This feels spot on. I had a similar experience watching TFA the first time where I had trouble accepting what it actually was trying to do and didn’t fully love it until my second viewing. Didn’t make the same mistake with TLJ and went in with no expectations and allowed it to tell the story it wanted to tell. Loved it right away.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:

I was speaking more towards the people who think the human body blows up like a water balloon in space.

In a movie universe where spaceships and explosions can be heard in a vacuum, and often defy physics, giant slugs live inside an apparently airless asteroid, people with magical powers formally fight with improbable laser swords when a blaster would end things quicker, (see Obi-Wan vs. Grevious) and overgrown teddy bears kicked Imperial ass, Leia in space was the one bridge too far? I give up.

It wasn’t the improbability of Leia flying—we all know that films rely on suspending disbelief, and it was required many times in the OT, but it was more the TONE that struck me as so odd. The tone of the flying Leia scene was totally off, totally un-Star Wars-like, and I think that’s why so many people were like “WTF”?!

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about this scene, but never this. I’m honestly curious why you think so, in my mind tonally it’s one of the scenes that feels the most like classic Star Wars.

I feel the scene is just looks weird. From her frozen face to the way she suddenly opens her eyes, to her expression, to the way she sort of flies back to the ship with her hand stretched out in an extended shot. The scene was obviously meant to resonate with the audience, but if such a scene falls flat, it sort of feels like a comedian telling an unfunny joke with that awkward silence in the room.

I’ve heard this complaint before though. You’re not describing a tonal issue as far as I can tell.

You could call it a tonal issue, if you don’t know how you’re supposed to feel about the scene. I think it can sort of feel out of place to some.

But I think how you’re supposed to feel is clear, no? The issue seems to be whether it’s effective in achieving that or not. Which is an issue of execution, not tone.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:

I was speaking more towards the people who think the human body blows up like a water balloon in space.

In a movie universe where spaceships and explosions can be heard in a vacuum, and often defy physics, giant slugs live inside an apparently airless asteroid, people with magical powers formally fight with improbable laser swords when a blaster would end things quicker, (see Obi-Wan vs. Grevious) and overgrown teddy bears kicked Imperial ass, Leia in space was the one bridge too far? I give up.

It wasn’t the improbability of Leia flying—we all know that films rely on suspending disbelief, and it was required many times in the OT, but it was more the TONE that struck me as so odd. The tone of the flying Leia scene was totally off, totally un-Star Wars-like, and I think that’s why so many people were like “WTF”?!

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about this scene, but never this. I’m honestly curious why you think so, in my mind tonally it’s one of the scenes that feels the most like classic Star Wars.

I feel the scene is just looks weird. From her frozen face to the way she suddenly opens her eyes, to her expression, to the way she sort of flies back to the ship with her hand stretched out in an extended shot. The scene was obviously meant to resonate with the audience, but if such a scene falls flat, it sort of feels like a comedian telling an unfunny joke with that awkward silence in the room.

I’ve heard this complaint before though. You’re not describing a tonal issue as far as I can tell.

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:

I was speaking more towards the people who think the human body blows up like a water balloon in space.

In a movie universe where spaceships and explosions can be heard in a vacuum, and often defy physics, giant slugs live inside an apparently airless asteroid, people with magical powers formally fight with improbable laser swords when a blaster would end things quicker, (see Obi-Wan vs. Grevious) and overgrown teddy bears kicked Imperial ass, Leia in space was the one bridge too far? I give up.

It wasn’t the improbability of Leia flying—we all know that films rely on suspending disbelief, and it was required many times in the OT, but it was more the TONE that struck me as so odd. The tone of the flying Leia scene was totally off, totally un-Star Wars-like, and I think that’s why so many people were like “WTF”?!

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about this scene, but never this. I’m honestly curious why you think so, in my mind tonally it’s one of the scenes that feels the most like classic Star Wars.

RogueLeader said:

I grew up during the prequel era, so despite the critical reception of those films, I feel it was a great time for the franchise. A lot of great games, books, toys, eventually The Clone Wars, and as a kid I loved the prequel movies too.

I think from a kid’s perspective, there hasn’t been a whole lot to latch onto compared to when I was a kid. If I were a kid now, I probably would’ve gravitated towards Marvel stuff inbetween the SW movie releases.

It’s funny you say that because I grew up around the same time but had a different experience. Star Wars was my favorite anything, but as much as I enjoyed the prequel trilogy at the time, the Lord of the Rings trilogy was just as exciting if not more so - and not just for me, but for other kids my age too.

Hard to compare a kid’s experience now vs. then, but I’ll say at the very least the mere existence of an animated show (not to mention multiple shows) is a big plus. When I was a kid I was chomping at the bit for a SW TV show. All I got was a “micro” series, “micro” meaning almost pathetic (in length, not content) 5 minute “episodes.”

There’s really only two things that seem to be lacking in comparison. First of all, video games. The new Battlefronts, despite their reputation, are actually pretty solid. But otherwise, there’s almost nothing. Second of all lacking, is extra material with the ST characters. Due to the PT’s timeline (and nature as a story with a set ending), there was a lot of room for stories in-between the new episodes. Thus far, there hasn’t been too much of that.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Nope. The best it ever been was 21 May 1980-24 May 1983.

There’s definitely a good argument for that one. Honestly, why not expand it to the original film’s opening? Those early Marvel books were fun in their own way, and Daley’s Solo novels more than make up for the weirdness of Splinter (which is still an enjoyable read). Then again, the Holiday Special…

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Also, since anecdotal evidence is important here I guess, everyone I’ve talked to has really enjoyed the new films (in fact I still haven’t met anyone who disliked TLJ, only people who know people who disliked TLJ). So, checkmate I guess? Is that how anecdotal-based debates work?

I called it anecdotal when I posted it. I never said I was right or that anyone else was wrong.

No, I realize you did, that wasn’t the issue. It just generally seems like a weird thing to bring up in a debate. Like, where do you go from there?

Over the Top (1987) - This feels like three different movies stitched together, with Stallone acting in the least prominent and believable one - the quiet and very serious character drama. C

Pretty in Pink (1986) - Enjoyable little movie. Ringwald and Cryer make it worth it (even if Duckie sucks). B-

First Reformed (2018) - An engrossing and haunting portrait of a man going insane, which I guess is what Paul Schrader does best. I almost want to say too that Ethan Hawke has never been better. Check it out. B+

Fantasia 2000 (2000) - The interludes lack the delightful simplicity of the original (and are often even groan worthy), and the segments in general also just aren’t as good, but on the whole this is a fantastic collection of beautiful shorts. B+

Ant-Man & The Wasp (2018) - A big step up from the first, with an exciting storyline and inventive action and well-integrated comedy. I like it. B

Miami Vice (2006) - Takes a bit to adjust to the digital photography and cinema verite style, but once you settle in, this is an exciting and effective picture, even if I still wanted some more character to shine through. B

Days of Thunder (1990) - Though it sometimes becomes silly enough that it almost enters the realm of self-parody, the earnestness on display makes you buy it all, to an extent. C+

Dark Crystal (1982) - I’ve seen few films as wonderfully strange as this. Everything is so specific and unique and fascinating and, occasionally, terrifying. I only mostly understood what was going on, but that didn’t totally matter. B+

Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure (1989) - A most triumphant journey! There really aren’t enough films like this that just go full blown silly. B

Leon: The Professional (1994) - A solid, stylish thriller. The weirdness hinted at with the central relationship is… weird I guess, and nothing significant is done with it. Otherwise, very solid. B

The Parallax View (1974) - Tightly wound pacing and paranoid cinematography pair fittingly with a simple, but engrossing central plot. I’m a sucker for a good conspiracy thriller, and I have to say this is one of the best. A-

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’d say it might be if every nerd wasn’t at another’s throat 110% of the time because of it.

That’s a very good point, though I guess I was mainly thinking content-wise. Certainly the internet discourse is probably worse than it’s ever been, though I’ll say my in-person discussions have grown and they’re usually pretty pleasant, even if we’re not always entirely on the same page.