DominicCobb

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Who was really “hurt”? Seriously.

We’re talking about “Me Too” right? People are hurt every day by sex pests of all sorts. And Norm Macdonald says he’s glad “Me Too is done” or whatever. How anyone could take Norm’s side on this is insane to me.

I thought we were talking about Macdonald, Louis CK and Roseanne Barr. No one was hurt by Macdonald or Roseanne and I don’t think that anyone was really hurt by Louis CK either, to be honest. Me Too uncovered some monsters, which is good, but it also encouraged a lot of fraudulent accusations like the ones against Aziz Ansari and Chris Hardwick. I’m glad that “time’s up” for the sexual harassers in the industry, but I also think that the whole public trial for anything resembling sexual misconduct is a terrible idea and I hope that we’re done with that.

You have to be kidding me about CK. That shit was fucked up and certainly could not insignificant emotional distress at the very least.

I guess. I don’t know, it’s a little fucked up and pretty pathetic but I don’t really care. He asked people if he could masturbate in front of them.

That he “asked them,” first of all doesn’t matter, because a) they almost certainly thought he was joking, and b) some of the accusers said he didn’t ask, CK just said he ‘only ever asked’ in his apology to make it sound less bad and save face, which should be obvious from the rest of his apology (which wasn’t even really an apology, honestly).

There aren’t enough funny people in this world to start throwing them aside over something like that.

That’s not true at all.

I don’t see how the accusations against Ansari or Hardwick were fraudulent. I don’t understand why people are so desperate to think accusers are lying, when putting yourself out there in that way is just putting a target on your back. There’s not much perceivable benefit.

I don’t get the benefit either, but that doesn’t mean that those accusations weren’t obviously bullshit. The Ansari ones seemed to be just an airing of a bad, uncomfortable date.

How does that make it fraudulent?

Hardwick’s accusations were lies. They were obviously made up by a really unstable person and the claims were inconsistent with reality. I don’t get this notion that there aren’t liars out there. That really confuses me; of course there are. That’s why we have real trials.

I don’t see how they were “obviously made up.”

I never said there aren’t liars out there (though it’s really quite doubtful they’d be in large numbers considering). It just seems wrongheaded to always assume these people are lying just because they’re accusing people you like.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.

How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?

You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.

It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)

Also, that’s not what producers do. Like, at all.

I’ll agree it’s not a big deal. Which is why it’s weird for me to see people like Handman get so worked up over it.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.

Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

He was talking about Roseanne and Louis CK. No one was raped or even terribly harassed by them.

He gave them as examples. But it was in regard to talking about the movement in general.

Not to mention, in the case of Hardwick, Dykstra’s career was hurt being of him. And of course Hardwick is back on air now? So in what way is what Norm saying reasonable?

He was immediately taken off the air until he could prove that Dykstra was lying about him, which, fortunately for him, he was able to do and he managed to be spared. Of course his name being cleared got only a fraction of the coverage that the false accusations got.

Did he actually prove she was lying though? Or did they just not prove she wasn’t not not lying?

Handman said:

He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

No he didn’t.

His words:

There are very few people that have gone through what they have, losing everything in a day. Of course, people will go, “What about the victims?” But you know what? The victims didn’t have to go through that.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Who was really “hurt”? Seriously.

We’re talking about “Me Too” right? People are hurt every day by sex pests of all sorts. And Norm Macdonald says he’s glad “Me Too is done” or whatever. How anyone could take Norm’s side on this is insane to me.

I thought we were talking about Macdonald, Louis CK and Roseanne Barr. No one was hurt by Macdonald or Roseanne and I don’t think that anyone was really hurt by Louis CK either, to be honest. Me Too uncovered some monsters, which is good, but it also encouraged a lot of fraudulent accusations like the ones against Aziz Ansari and Chris Hardwick. I’m glad that “time’s up” for the sexual harassers in the industry, but I also think that the whole public trial for anything resembling sexual misconduct is a terrible idea and I hope that we’re done with that.

You have to be kidding me about CK. That shit was fucked up and certainly could not insignificant emotional distress at the very least. I don’t see how the accusations against Ansari or Hardwick were fraudulent. I don’t understand why people are so desperate to think accusers are lying, when putting yourself out there in that way is just putting a target on your back. There’s not much perceivable benefit.

As for public trial? Does it really matter? Hardwick’s back in the same spot he left. CK’s performing stand up again. That’s where comments like Norm’s are bullshit. The perpetrator’s lives and careers are doing just fine.

I agree that most of his comments weren’t “reasonable” per se, but who cares? Entertainment is going to be fucked if we crucify every single fucking person that says something that people find offensive.

Is it crucifying to cancel a single show appearance literally the day after he said those comments? Presumably his career will be just fine without one Tonight Show appearance.

I don’t think they should cancel anything. Fallon could’ve torn into him about what he said or something if it disturbed him that much. I didn’t say his career would be over either, but this shit sets bad precedence. People say stupid shit every day. All of us say stupid shit on a daily basis. I don’t like shutting people down over that.

Man, have you ever watched Fallon? It’s not that kind of show. It’s not surprising that they’d try to avoid controversy.

Handman said:

He’s arguing that those fighting against sexual predation are irrational and infantilized. Which is stupid and irrational.

If you aren’t going to bother to understand what I am saying, then you are being stupid and irrational. I’m done talking to you. I’m saying that people who cry over the very thought that someone doesn’t necessarily agree with them are irrational and infantilized. Crying is not a natural response to something so minor.

You have a really limited understanding of human emotions and experiences beyond your own life if you think that’s the case.

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.

How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?

You’re not better than them because “you didn’t cry.” Though it’s clear to me you are really just as emotional. But in your case there doesn’t seem to be a good reason.

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.

Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.

Not to mention, in the case of Hardwick, Dykstra’s career was hurt being of him. And of course Hardwick is back on air now? So in what way is what Norm saying reasonable?

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

Not quite because he isn’t calling for anyone to be deplatformed.

He’s arguing that those fighting against sexual predation are irrational and infantilized. Which is stupid and irrational.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Who was really “hurt”? Seriously.

We’re talking about “Me Too” right? People are hurt every day by sex pests of all sorts. And Norm Macdonald says he’s glad “Me Too is done” or whatever. How anyone could take Norm’s side on this is insane to me.

I agree that most of his comments weren’t “reasonable” per se, but who cares? Entertainment is going to be fucked if we crucify every single fucking person that says something that people find offensive.

Is it crucifying to cancel a single show appearance literally the day after he said those comments? Presumably his career will be just fine without one Tonight Show appearance.

Handman said:

Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.

The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.

Handman said:

Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments

This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.

Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.

The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.

How the hell were his comments reasonable?

It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.

Fang Zei said:

Yeah, the ST has made it 2/3 of the way through without referencing anything about the OT that’s version-specific.

Was there ever any truth to that rumor from two years ago about Hayden as ghost Anakin showing up in TLJ?

Nope. Johnson has mentioned that he basically decided against the possibility completely as soon as he thought of it. I think the rumors started from a piece of concept art from TFA. But even then it was never seriously considered - the concept artists always come up some of their own ideas during development that sometimes get worked in, but that piece never made it past that one artist’s rendering as far as I can tell (well, I guess it ended up in the Art Of book).

Handman said:

The guys in that Dark Knight thread would definitely appreciate your recounting of the colors of that print.

Is there a preservations thread? I will say it looked like a slightly older print. Not a lot of damage, but it seemed a little darker and greener than I remembered. Granted, last time I saw it in theaters was ten years ago, but I saw it three times then, and once on IMAX 70mm.

NeverarGreat said:

DZ-330 said:

New changes are good to better match with TLJ, please leave in V2 for SKB.

I remember Dom arguing that placing a Snoke scene after the Oscillator sabotage would throw off the pacing of the end of the movie. At the time I thought the benefit to the story would outweigh this negative, but having viewed Restructured V2 quite a few times this year I have come around to Dom’s way of thinking on this. It really stops the movie in its tracks to manufacture a threat which we know won’t materialize, when the focus should be on the fallout from Han’s death on our other main characters.

I think you might be remembering incorrectly, as I believe I suggested the opposite (although it’s possible I argued that a specific clip test of the idea had poor pacing). I was one of the people pushing hardest for the weapon to turn on the Resistance base during the climax. “A threat which we know won’t materialize” is a very strange and, in my opinion, misguided way to look at it. Without that threat, basically half the tension of the climax is completely erased. Seeing the Resistance fighters continue the attack to blow up the base without any pressing need to was easily the weirdest part of the V1 Restructured, and the number one thing that to me made it obvious it was a fan edit.

Granted, I have not yet watched V2, so I can’t say for sure how well the idea works in practice.

SilverWook said:

It was a niche market by the late 80’s. Some movies could had for around $30. Music video titles for even less. (The cheapest Criterions were $50.) Fox really sucked, charging more for widescreen remasters with zero extras. They really loved that $69.99 price point.

Oh god, I can’t even imagine how I would’ve survived (especially factoring in inflation).

I should stress that I was most certainly alive for these two (as I saw them multiple times in their initial release), but within the past week I saw The Dark Knight and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban on the big screen, the former in IMAX 70mm. Good times (especially The Dark Knight which is one of my favorites and absolutely breathtaking in that format).

DuracellEnergizer said:

My favourite silent film’s probably Lon Chaney’s Phantom of the Opera.

Ending’s a tad weak, but Chaney’s brilliantly unnerving. And I just love the two-colour Technicolor sequences.

If I were to watch this, which version should I seek out?

I have blu-rays of

• Seven Samurai
• The Samurai trilogy
• The Seventh Seal
• Throne of Blood
• The Hidden Fortress
• The Manchurian Candidate
• Tokyo Drifter
• The Qatsi trilogy
• Scanners
• Mulholland Drive

And on DVD I have

• The Rock

The only thing that keeps them from being the best thing ever are the prices, which is why I have so few (even though I’ve been slowly collecting for a good few years now).

Some great movies I’ve watched recently that don’t exist on blu-ray are Gunga Din, Sahara, and The Parallax View, all of which I’d love to see Criterion do something with.

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

What I’ll never understand about this debate is that kneeling is literally a form of respect.

Not when it is done during the Nation Anthem which is a clear violation of the proper protocol.

Proper protocol my ass. The same people complaining the loudest are the ones who have the American flag on their underwear.

I don’t have the flag on my underwear.

I never said you did. I’m sure you follow the rules to the letter.

Following protocol and showing respect aren’t necessarily the same thing.

When the rules say you should stand at attention and you kneel, I have having hard time seeing how that is not disrespectful.

What you described is them being disrespectful to the rules. Not disrespectful to the flag/what it stands for (not that I’d have a problem if they did, but they aren’t so). Unless you think it stands for “the rules”…

Anyway following the rules has no direct correlation with actual respect. They’re on different planes.

If you can’t see that kneeling when it is clear you are supposed to stand is disrespectful, that protesting the Nation Anthem is disrespectful, I don’t know what else to say to you.

They’re not protesting the anthem.

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

What I’ll never understand about this debate is that kneeling is literally a form of respect.

Not when it is done during the Nation Anthem which is a clear violation of the proper protocol.

Proper protocol my ass. The same people complaining the loudest are the ones who have the American flag on their underwear.

I don’t have the flag on my underwear.

I never said you did. I’m sure you follow the rules to the letter.

Following protocol and showing respect aren’t necessarily the same thing.

When the rules say you should stand at attention and you kneel, I have having hard time seeing how that is not disrespectful.

What you described is them being disrespectful to the rules. Not disrespectful to the flag/what it stands for (not that I’d have a problem if they did, but they aren’t so). Unless you think it stands for “the rules”…

Anyway following the rules has no direct correlation with actual respect. They’re on different planes.

Handman said:

Probably. But I can’t get enough of the aimless adolescence I see in movies like The Graduate, The Last Picture Show, and so on…

Maybe you’ve just been watching the wrong teenage movies from the past 30 years then.

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

What I’ll never understand about this debate is that kneeling is literally a form of respect.

Not when it is done during the Nation Anthem which is a clear violation of the proper protocol.

Proper protocol my ass. The same people complaining the loudest are the ones who have the American flag on their underwear.

Following protocol and showing respect aren’t necessarily the same thing.

Handman said:

Can’t relate to them. They annoy me. The most recent teen movie I really liked was Ridgemont High, mostly because it was hilarious more than being able to relate to any one character.

So maybe you just don’t like movies with teenagers in general.

Handman said:

I wish I was more open to watching these coming of age movies. I just hate watching teenagers in movies made in the past 30 or so years.

For what reason?