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#262325
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.-The Matrix Hacked-..:Completed:.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262325/action/topic#262325
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Oh ok, DeZionized combines 2 and 3 into one movie and removes Zion. That's the bulk of it. There are other changes, and in version 2 action scenes were trimmed to keep them from getting out of hand. The story on the whole remains intact, you just never see Zion. Further details here:
http://www.faneditforum.com/true_fanedits/cbb3dezionized.html

This edit (as outlined in the long drawn out first post) trims Zion but leaves a good deal of it. I removed anything that I found truly annoying or hurt what we know/loved about the first Matrix film. The Reloaded is trimmed mostly for ideas (there were no One's before Neo, he doesn't have powers in the Real World, etc.) and a few scenes of annoyance (the rave). It's still much shorter and ends at a different point so as to be more satisfying on its on (rather than such a silly cliffhanger (that feels contrived).)
Revolutions has been hacked up drastically (and as I've said many times is more a rough cut of what the movie could have been). I re-ordered events, changed the ending completely. (My father describes movies like the original version as "everyone ends up dead or miserable.") I wanted a more Matrix 1 like movie with an upbeat ending. I also explain the Oracle's change of appearance (using movie footage not the video game explanation).
If you want more details you can read the first post, but you should have the idea.

Dezionized put me on the path to this edit. It made me realize all was not lost and that it could be fixed.

Btw, it is available PiF and I am aware of a RapidShare release.
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#262309
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.-The Matrix Hacked-..:Completed:.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262309/action/topic#262309
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So you're asking how the Matrix Reloaded Hacked and Matrix Revolutions Hacked differs from the Matrix Reloaded Hacked and Matrix Revolutions Hacked?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's not a whole lot of difference. ;-)

I'm assuming you had the opportunity to see them somewhere.
If it was the Pirate Bay/Demonoid Xvid torrents I will say there are some serious differences in Revolutions since that was v1 and I think I was strung out on crack when I proofed it. Reloaded only had minor technical fixes between v1 and 2.

If you've seen the DVD release than that's the final version and I'm sticking with it.

If it didn't suit your taste there are other fine Matrix edits out there too including the first to the party 'DeZionized' (now on to version 2) and Spence's 'Matrix Squared'.
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#262166
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L. A. Story - The Extended Zell Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262166/action/topic#262166
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Built the DVD... aye yay yay did I bite off a big chunk.
I've never done anything like that before with the Play movie and Play with Intro, etc.
About a half dozen SETS of command sequences were necessary to have that work... and I've never actually USED command sequences before.
And it worked the first time, I don't believe it. Bet it would have been easier if I read a manual or something.

Anyway, compression to a single layer DVD took 70% of the original size. A bit more than I'd like.

Sat through the test disc and here were my impressions:
Wooo. It's sort of work printy but everything I added fits nicely and matches the mood and style of the film. The "Walk in L.A." is still a bit dodgy but I don't want to cut it (see the posted clip earlier in the thread).
The John Lithgow clips needed to be recoded without the edge enhancement. All that did was bloat the file size and add sparkley artifacts.
I've gone back and made some other minor fixes, technical mostly, and even added ONE more line from the alternate ending that I love and could not do without.
I also thought long and hard and decided to cut the easter egg extras too. They were only 100mb but they really don't seem to be necessary (my apologies to Victoria Tennant who loses the most.)

Hopefully I'll have a final disc in my hands, um, tomorrow?

Next up... some holiday prep and then:
Little Mermaid The Restored Theatrical Edition (audio and preacher fixes)
Other possible on tap projects:
Eurotrip Extended (contains just what it says on the tin)
The Appointments of Dennis Jennings Preservation (mind you I can't stand this short anymore)
Star Trek The Motion Picture: Phase Two (drastically cut until not boring. I'm shooting for 1:30+ (The size of a double length TV episode.))
I swore there was more that I've promised but for now that's more than enough.

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#262002
Topic
L. A. Story - The Extended Zell Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262002/action/topic#262002
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Extras created. The Showtime John Lithgow clips are soft because of their source (and my filtering) but they are much cleaner (audioly (?) and visually) now.
The menus have been designed... but the DVD is not yet authored.

I'm on the fence about keeping the Easter Egg interviews from the first DVD release.
Half of them appear as part of the new DVD documentary. Mostly the Mick Jackson, some of the Steve Martin and none of the Victoria Tennant clips.

It seems partially redundant to add them and I'm trying to save a bit of space since the DVD currently is a bit over 5.3gb.

Tough call.
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#261847
Topic
L. A. Story - The Extended Zell Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261847/action/topic#261847
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So I took a day away from this to think about things...
I went back and cut the commercials and Zell rocketing in.
Anything I disliked did not make the cut (the first post has been updated).

For the scene that wouldn't sync I just cut the audio up and did several crossfades to sync regions. It works well. I even added some ambient effects and wind (there's a cut of wind blowing through foliage and it doesn't make noise. Pretty jarring, fixed it.)

Well the initial edit is done. I still need to export, build a DVD, preview, make any changes and produce all the extras.
I think the worst is over... mostly.
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#261601
Topic
L. A. Story - The Extended Zell Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261601/action/topic#261601
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So for whatever reason, I've run into a few deleted scenes that don't sync with their audio (all the way through).
From a technical standpoint I'm stumped. Maybe they had a variable frame rate that Womble's repair tool stripped, I don't know.
I've also run into a few scenes that from a plot perspective should probably be added, but I'm not fond of.

The commercials at first seem like Steve Martin being wacky Steve Martin; something I'm not a fan of.
The thing is, if he has super-agent Harry Zell, how do you explain him not working or getting any jobs before the end of the film when he returns to KYOY?
...So the commercials SHOULD stay. I hope you all like them more than I do.

Same goes for the rocketing in scene: For him to suddenly be talking about being back as a serious weatherman, it's reasonable that Harry Zell would rocket in and tell him. Of course I have no audio (of value) and the scene seems a bit off pace compared to what's around it.
I can have rocket noise over the nonsense that John Lithgow spews, and you can assume that Zell is giving him the good news. I really think some hard subs would work better... but what?
Yikes the early cuts were much easier to deal with.
I cannot believe how difficult this project has been. And all I really wanted to do was cut in the Harry Zell lunch meeting.

Next project... cutting in a fixed subtitle for the title card of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. (No not really, but I need SOMETHING easy or I might never edit again).
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#261463
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Info: Hold onto your old Little Mermaid discs!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261463/action/topic#261463
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It should be fairly simple to mux the audio and video, either finding the delay or just resyncing and reauthoring.
I'm hoping to also restore the Preacher's knees... now THAT bugs me.

Anybody know of any other changes? (That is besides ham fisted digital clean up and color changes.)
I will also be looking for a scan of the original movie poster that got banned. I think it'd be perfect cover art for the project.
And no this won't be called the Freud Edition (but it should be).
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#261398
Topic
L. A. Story - The Extended Zell Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261398/action/topic#261398
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Besides saying 2:59 pm it now also types onto the screen instead of appearing all at once.

Original museum caption:
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2175/001bo8.jpg

Reproduced caption:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9083/002su6.jpg

Tell me the similarity is not incredible. (Name that movie quote )
The only flaw is that they have a white border around the bold white text. I cannot reproduce it (the border and shadow have to be the same color in SSA format) so my lettering seems a bit thinner. Besides that...
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#261273
Topic
L. A. Story - The Extended Zell Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261273/action/topic#261273
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I have a version 2 of Harris skipping to the bank.
I've removed the trailer's music and foley in exchange for the music from another deleted scene that won't be used.
I'm actually fairly happy with it. Do you all think this is better?

Edit v3: http://rapidshare.com/files/7263853/LAS3.avi.html (1.9mb)

Edit's Edit: Heh, I just realized it'd be funny if there was a caption at the bottom of the screen that said "2:59PM".

Edit's Edited Edit: That's what it needed to sell it. It only took me 2 hours to figure out how to do this and to time and match the font size, position, etc. with previous subs in the film, but I think this is the cut that's going to make it.
It preserves the original joke's impact but lets us add the skipping gag.
Do I hear an amen?
http://rapidshare.com/files/7271373/las3.avi.html (2.1mb)
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#261258
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Info: Hold onto your old Little Mermaid discs!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261258/action/topic#261258
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I had the opportunity to listen to the original theatrical mix side by side the DHT mix today.

Um, more punch, better sound stage, better movement of sounds through the speakers. No contest.
I will probably be building a Theatrical Version edit. The preacher's knee will be decided later since I'm involved in L.A. Story EE at the moment.
Rules here prohibit further discussion, but I will continue to discuss this... elsewhere.
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#261193
Topic
L. A. Story - The Extended Zell Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261193/action/topic#261193
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Zell Rocekting in: He is already almost unintelligible from the rocket pack noise but you can tell he is mumbling gibberish. I was going to just overdub completely with more rocket noise and hard sub something. But you're right maybe we don't have to know what he says since that evening Harris mentions he has a new job. I'll see how that looks. Either way it can't be much since it's about 10 syllables.

I like the shot of Harris skipping--could you, instead of the music, loop in the dialogue from Zell: "It looks too desperate if you run to a meeting," which may explain why he is skipping?


That line is already in the film when Harris and Harry have their lunch meeting a few scenes earlier. I'd have to just put in some traffic and skipping noises from... somewhere if I'm going to keep it.

The skating argument: I think it goes in right after the bad weekend at el Pollo del Mar. Currently there are several scenes with Harris wooing Sara. (Oh point birds oh pointy pointy...). This scene is similar in style but instead of trying to win her, he is being kind of mean saying he's glad he found out now that she's a week, uncommitted person and not the type he is looking for at all.
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#261118
Topic
L. A. Story - The Extended Zell Edition (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261118/action/topic#261118
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This is part of a longer montage during Sara's commentary on LA, where she says "Some say LA's a place for the brain dead. . ." It's supposed to come after Ariel and June subathing, SanDeE* in class, and Frank waiting for Trudi.


I sort of suspected that. It was the only place a short clip like that could really fit.

As far as the other questionable scene, it has Harris walking outside in the morning in his robe picking up the morning paper. Harry Zell noisily rockets in and says something and abruptly leaves. It says scene 151 (if that helps). Sc. 131 is Zell skipping.

The scene you quote (#239) is part of the alternate ending with Harry Zell talking to the signpost at night and leaving just before the couple shows up to thank the sign. There are only provisional fx cut in that are unusable. The dialog you posted is very cute, but not available. The scene I have has Harris and Sara gushing that the whole storm thing was terrific and the sign says "It Worked?". Then Harris says something that comes off lame "You know I thought it was my fault I could never get close to anyone. Now I realize I'd never been with the right girl." The original ending works much better.

So any idea about #151?

To everyone: I need a humor check. I restored Harry skipping to the Fourth Reich Bank of Hamburg appointment. Unfortunately it required using the trailers' music, which is bouncy. I feel it sort of kills the impact of the joke, but it does give us more. After listening to the scene so much I can't judge objectively.
So here's another voting opportunity:
http://rapidshare.com/files/7124779/LAS2.avi.html 3.7mb