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#292347
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Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - The Enhanced ABC Cut (Released)
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I've rewatched that cut a bunch of times and agonized whether to keep it or not.

The funny thing is I've seen TV and movies do cuts just like that. In the middle of a camera move/zoom they'll just cut in to almost the same thing just zoomed closer.
But when you do the same thing yourself it seems amateurish.

I tried to cut away just as Ron is about to be lost off the left side of the screen and the focus of the conversation becomes between Hermoine and Harry. That way more of Hermoine is on the screen while she is talking.

[the rest removed... babbling.]
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#292289
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Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - The Enhanced ABC Cut (Released)
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Ok, I now have version two of the clip done. The sample is Xvid (apologies for the black borders, it's Womble's xvid encoder).

http://rapidshare.com/files/42185865/v2.zip.html 12.9mb
Zip file includes the original ABC version for comparison.

This is an idea of the sort of tweaks I'm making.

The ABC's version of this clip:
-Before the first dissolve (to outdoors) the music cues are different and start later than theatrically.
-Before the first dissolve a more cropped framing is used as they zoom in on Harry. Ron disappears off the side of the frame and the camera looks like it's struggling to keep the actors in the shot.
-Before the first dissolve (starting with the cut just before it) the audio is 4 frames out of sync.
-The music continues for a good bit into the study hall scene (theatrically it's quiet).
-The study hall shot is more cropped (losing a lot of the scale of the room).
-The study hall's colors are oversaturated. (The room feels small warm and cozy.)

My version:
+Restored theatrical music cues before first dissolve.
+Restored most of the theatrical zooming shot before first dissolve. (Cut added just before final zoom in on Harry).
+Audio now syncs.
+Soft whispering and scratching quills are now predominant in study hall (not music).
+Volume lowered for outdoor shot (it was louder than the clips before and after).
+Color saturation, white levels and gamma corrected to match theatrical footage (and the rest of the scene) of the study hall establishing shot.
+Dissolve reconstructed with above corrected clip.
+Music cues removed and replaced by shorter theatrical version and quiet environmental sounds.
-Couldn't fix overcropping of study hall establishing scene.


A lot of this is nit picks, but much of the added scenes have some problem. I've seen people move their lips while not talking (because of bad overdubs) and aspect ratios shift suddenly.
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#292262
Topic
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - The Enhanced ABC Cut (Released)
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For HP2 I have a set of the original ABC broadcast in HD.

A dual layer version has already been released by Rikter direct from the same source.

I'm attempting to tweak it up.

At least HP1 was floating around as a raw HD of the original broadcast, but it's in the wind now.

Oh and the question was about a scene I recut. Rewatching it I despised it and have completely rebuilt it.
I still have a few decision to make but it's nearly done now.
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#292211
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Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - The Enhanced ABC Cut (Released)
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-=Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets=-
.:Enhanced ABC Cut:.

An RtW Production by Doctor M

Runtime: 2:54
(Theatrical Cut: 2:41)
(ABC Cut: 2:46)

This is a reconstruction/remix of the ABC HDTV extended broadcast of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.  It is intended to fix many of the flaws found in the ABC cut (and custom extended fan edits) of HP2 while providing the most complete film possible.

Besides the inclusion of the deleted scenes found on the DVD, the ABC edit contains two additional bits.
The first is a shot of Harry exiting the Borgin and Burkes coffin.  This links two deleted scenes together.
The second scene is Dumbledore dismissing Harry and Ron from Snape’s office so they can rejoin the feast.

Video Source: SiLU group’s HDTV x264 (theatrical cut) release. (1280x704)
           Deleted footage and other bits are from the ABC extended HDTV broadcast. (1280x720)  Airing May 7th, 2005 capped in 720p.

18.5gb of raw mpeg2 extended goodness. Both sources were cropped, matted and/or stretched to match the aspect ratios.

Audio Source: Theatrical DVD Audio (DD 5.1)
           Deleted audio from ABC’s extended HDTV broadcast. (DD 5.1)

Changes (Differences noted are changes from the ABC extended edit):

General:
National and local station ID logos removed.
Commercial break fade ins, fade outs and missing/added frames corrected.
Most (to all) instances of pixelation at cuts and scene changes fixed by manually swapping the decimation pattern.
In many cases the ABC audio was overdriven.  This tended to be worse in the deleted scenes.  The volume has been balanced accordingly.

Pudding with the Masons:
Replaced: In several instances the theatrical’s wider shots were used.  (Extended cut’s composition does not follow photography’s rule of thirds and crowds the frame.)
Extended footage editing flaw fixed/Deleted: Aunt Petunia laughs without her face or neck moving (was probably a bad overdub).  
Extended footage editing flaw fixed/Deleted: Mrs. Mason moves lips without talking (again bad overdub).  
Deleted: Duplicated and zoomed clip of floating pudding.
Added/Restored: Dudley noticing floating pudding (from theatrical).  
Added/Restored: Dobbie snaps his fingers for the pudding to fall (from theatrical).
Replaced: Theatrical audio used for pudding fall (much stronger splat noise).
Removed/Replaced:  Extended mugging of camera by Harry (giving Dobbie dirty looks) at end of scene.  Replaced by slightly longer theatrical footage focusing on Dobbie hiding around corner.
Audio: Tightened to match these changes.

Borgin and Burke’s:
Replaced: Theatrical’s wider shot used just before the hand of glory tag close up.
Restored: One second of footage just as Harry steps out of Borgin and Burke’s.

Flying Car Scene:
Replaced: Used theatrical’s wider shot of cabbie watching the flying car.

Colin Creevy Extended Introduction:
Crop/Resize Fix: Corrected a shifting aspect ratio problem.

Group Conversation (before Harry’s Reflection on Being a Parselmouth):
Replaced: More of the original framing used with a hard cut to the ABC version.
Audio: DeSync fixed / Theatrical music cues restored in the process.

Study Hall (following Harry’s Reflection on Being a Parselmouth):
Fix: Color saturation, white levels and gamma adjusted to match theatrical footage (and the rest of the scene) following the dissolve.
Fix: Dissolve reconstructed with the color corrected clip.
Audio: Music cues removed and replaced by shorter theatrical version and the original quiet environmental sounds.

Harry and Hagrid Discuss Dead Rooster:
Removed: Less than 1 second (20 frames) of fade to black (for commercial break).  This is a deleted scene so no theatrical replacement footage was available.)

Dueling Club:
Note: 2 second of Lockhart pulling up gauntlets not restored because of theatrical source problem.  Not really critical, but it would have been nice.

Fred and George Tease Harry and Harry Starts to Doubt Himself:
Removed: Theatrical dissolve from horse drawn sleighs to Great Hall - no source to restore from.
Added: Created new dissolve from Harry to Great Hall to soften a hard commercial cut.  
Added: Restored about 1 second of the Great Hall ceiling.

Hermione Explains the Polyjuice Potion Plan:
Audio: Removed overdub of Hermione telling Ron and Harry to put on Crabbe and Goyle’s robes.  It was added to the theatrical cut to explain the Slytherin robes because the later laundry explanation scene was trimmed.  ABC failed to remove the dub even though it is redundant and creates a discontinuity.

Hermione has Slytherin Robes from Laundry/Drinking the Polyjuice Potion:
Audio: No change from ABC edit – tone appropriate scoring kept in place of theatrical version (which was just used during an additional scene and could best be described as Crabbe and Goyle’s Theme).

Crabbe and Goyle Meet Themselves:
Audio: Theatrical score used just before the extended clip (it’s more action-y and frantic sounding).

Back In Moaning Myrtle’s Bathroom:
Audio: End of the extended scene’s score fades to the silence of the theatrical audio then the correct timing of musical cues (which started too early in the ABC edit).

Extended Diary Scene with Humming Ghost:
Fix:  Continuity error corrected.  Harry flipped to the end of the book twice in a row (without going back to the front), then starts flipping back to front only to suddenly be seen flipping to the end again from a different angle. – Close up of flipping blank diary pages removed.
Audio fix: Humming ghost mysteriously silent during close up of diary pages, shot removed (see above).
Note: The cut shot of flipping pages appears in a more extended form, without continuity problems and without the ghost on the theatrical DVD.

Harry and Ron Visit Aragog:
Audio: After added scene with Ford Anglia, removed ABC’s additional score and replaced it with the spooky environmental sounds of the theatrical cut.

Credits:
Restored: Full length credits.
Restored: After credits shot moved to… after the credits of course.

Some notes about the extended scenes (contains spoilers):
Much of the deleted content restored by ABC is partial story lines that are never fully explored.  Whether additional footage exists that fleshes them out or not is unknown.
A copy of the complete script is included on this disc, but here are some of the more important points:

-After the dessert incident with Dobbie, the Dursleys aren’t afraid to lock Harry in his room because of a letter they receive from the Ministry of Magic.  It is a reminder of the prohibition against the underage use of magic.
The Ministry (incorrectly) assumes the use of magic in the household had to be by Harry.
This is when the Dursleys first become aware that they have nothing to fear from Harry using magic on them at home.

-Lucius Malfoy sells off several dark arts items at Borgin and Burke’s because of raids by the Ministry (and Ron’s father).
A raid of Malfoy’s house later turns up nothing, and you assume it’s because he has gotten rid of the incriminating items.
Also, Ron’s father is being investigated after the flying car incident.
Ron is able to help his father get back in the Ministry’s good graces after using the Polyjuice potion because Draco mentions the location of his father’s hiding space for his remaining dark arts items.

-When Harry find’s Filch’s Kwikspell letter, it is meant to reveal that Filch is a Squib (a child of magical parents who is unable to (or can’t properly) do magic themselves).  Kwikspell is a mail-order course for the hopelessly inept at magic.
It is why the Heir of Slitherin would have a grudge against Filch (and by extension his cat): squibs are considered as bad as mudbloods.

-Lockhart’s pop quiz shows Hermione hanging on every word from her new professor.  Hermione is very taken with him and has a bit of a blind spot where he’s concerned.
Later when she’s recovering from being a cat, she keeps a Get Well card from Lockhart under her pillow.

-Hagrid carrying around a dead rooster is later explained by Tom Riddle: Ginny, under the influence of Tom has been killing them.
The full book entry for Basilisks includes the line: “…only the crowing of a rooster can kill it.”

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#292151
Topic
DRESDEN FILES - 2-HOUR PILOT PRESERVATION (Released)
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Hmm, no movement here since April.

I just noticed that the official DVD release is set for the beginning of August.
I suppose it would make more sense to wait until then so you have a better source to work with.

http://www.amazon.com/Dresden-Files-Complete-First-Season/dp/B000QUEQ4U/

BUT!
According to TVShowsonDVD.com, the original unaired pilot will be included. (And there was much rejoicing.)
Let's just hope they finished the effects.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7335
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#291982
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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Well you can try newsgroups. There's also some HD bittorrent sites like bit-hdtv.com or Hdbits.net, unfortunately the former isn't accepting new members and the latter is invite only.

I wouldn't know where else to look.
Not only am I hoping to find HP1 extended in HD, I'd like to find a better version of HP2 since it seems to have been too low of a bitrate broadcast.
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#291880
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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Well times running short, looks like we will again miss another chance to have these.

In the mean time I've taken up the editing of HP2 again, and things have taken another turn. More details in a few days.

I'm floored by the re-framing of some shots in the Dobbie/Pudding scene. The theatrical cut looks nice, but the ABC one shows some similar shots zoomed in uncomfortably. As a result some characters are being cramped by overscan. Some other weird-ities abound.

I'm starting to wonder of CC actually did cut this together as is frequently stated or if it was just someone else at ABC.
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#291221
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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I know of one editor already planning an edit coincidentally of HP2.
I would think it would be better to start with the extended cut, but I believe things like "remove Dobbie" was tossed around.
Definitely not what I would be looking for.

I dunno. I think I'll go for the UberMax edition I'm working on now.
Anything trimmed (the original version of the Borgin scene) I'll have as an extra.
That way you all can go nuts editing whatever version you'd like from it.

Btw, I did get my hands on an HD version of the theatrical cut to use for pieces parts.
So the credits, larger logos, and butchered cuts at the commercial breaks will definitely be repaired.

The small ABC logo will remain only because software that removes it looks fine on stills, but on motion looks like someone has put a prism over your TV and it's MORE distracting than a tiny transparent ABC in a circle.
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#291149
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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Btw, for those following my ABC edit release, I'm wrestling with the idea of turning it into a fan edit.

Some of these deleted scenes are just wrong. They weren't in the book, the script or the theatrical cut.
Harry arm wrestling the Hand of Glory? Wtf, it shouldn't even move...

Before I start this project up again I'm going to be taking a hard look at some scenes.

Edit: I've watched ADM's cut too many times. The Hand of Glory wrestling is in the theatrical cut... you just don't know that's what it is called.

And I've decided to keep this as an extended-est cut. If I cut the film to be closer to the book there wouldn't be much left. CC really went off on his own on this one. I'd just rather see as much HP in one film as possible.
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#291105
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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Something interesting to ponder.

Imsdb (internet movie script database) has the HP scripts.
As is frequently the case it's the shooting script, not the final cut that someone transcribed.

I've started through Chamber of Secrets (1/28/02 revision - that's 11 months before the release).

And here is what is really itching my brain:
Some of the deleted scenes that were added back for the TV broadcasts are not in the books (or were strongly altered).
The script on the other hand doesn't seem to have several of the deleted scenes.

On the other (3rd?) hand it DOES contain lots of additional dialog and scenes right from the book, but in neither cut of the film.

Hmmm.
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#290483
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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No, the full release statement is "many of the Harry Potter films timed to the release of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix in theatres."

and the last two words: "in July."

Funny thing, it's still not an official announcement. This is leaked by another source, VideoBusiness.com, who says:

Also, many of Warner’s Harry Potter films will be released on high-def timed to the home entertainment bow of July theatrical Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.


My fingers are crossed that Warner continues to print their flippy HD-DVD/DVD discs so the other 99% of us can watch these.
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#290476
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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I'm considering putting my HP2 edit on hold.
Warner has announced HD releases of "many of the Harry Potter films timed to the release of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix".

That means, if nothing else, better source material available. We should probably expect the OAR, and since there are no details yet, we can't say for sure they will be the theatrical cuts.

Let us evaluate:
-That's a really short turnover. 25 days to release and yet they are not yet listed on Amazon.com.
-I also recall hearing that the first few films have had DVD production stopped the beginning of this year. (Does anyone else remember that or am I crazy?)

This is starting to smell like secret surprise release, but first we want to clear the shelves of the old editions.
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#290102
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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Well I definitely we be releasing some nicely tweaked up versions of the HD HP2, I really need to get my hands on the raw HP1 broadcast.
The first version that was floating around has pulled a Casper.
Someone needs to step up and help out when this comes on again. I can't believe for all the tweakers and editors here at OT, no one is capable of a good raw HD cap.

It would be funny if it didn't suck.
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#290027
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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Ok, I now whole heartedly agree.
My source is NOT the ABC extended broadcast (this is from one of the other non-extended HD versions floating on the net) but there is no way that this HD version was made from Super35: No one transferring the film could be so stupid and crop this much unless they had to.

Widescreen DVD:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2617/hp3wszg8.jpg

HD (resized to match DVD):
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2891/hp3hdbql5.jpg

View the full sized 720p version here if you don't believe me:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7304/hp3hdck5.jpg

I'm now terrified about what a future BluRay/HDDVD release might look like since they love to go full 16x9 rather than preserving the OAR.
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#289973
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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First I disagree, Imdb lists Azkaban being Super35 as well: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0304141/technical

So yes, the original frame was probably closer to 4x3, but the 16x9 version is a bit better (than the full screen version).
Here is Chamber of Secrets for an examle:

Full and Wide Screens (overlayed)
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/905/03240coe6.jpg
HD
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4257/howlerux0.jpg


As you can see on the whole only a bit of information is lost from the left and right.
Sure this probably isn't what the Director intended, but the composition doesn't seem to get as far off as a full frame version.