Doctor M

Ok, time to eat a big hunk o' crow.

I'll be the first to admit that the celltime recalculations always made my brains hurt, but working with them today I realized that my math was completely wrong.

For Case 1 video (the most common) you multiply by a factor of 1.25.  I had wrongly assumed that this was true for most of the other cases.  After playing around with some files today it turns out Case 1 is the exception.  Cases 2-6 need a factor of 1.2 (I think).

I've never noticed my error before now because by and large cases 2-6 occur in trailers and stuff where there are few if any chapters and the content is short enough that it isn't a large enough discrepancy.

Now I may still be completely wrong and if anyone has a firmer grasp on this please chime in.  For now I recommend you check that the chapters are in the right locations after conversion.

Edit: Or not.  I'm really up against it here and I'm hoping the Doom9 guys can thrash it out.

The problem is I'm seeing a several second discrepancy now in the chapter locations and runtime (even though the audio syncs). 
Something very odd is going on that I mean to find out about.

THIS ONLY applies to cases where you are using 25 to 29.97 pulldown.

Edit 2: Ok, or NOT.  Here's the deal, case 1 which you are essentially using 23.976 to 29.97 pulldown is a multiplier of 1.25.  ALL OTHER cases require a multiplier of 1.1988. 
The guide and spreadsheets have been updated accordingly.

Hmm.  I had some problems with NuMenu4U tonight... but then again I always do.  It's a pretty screwy program, but I've found nothing else that does the same thing.

First, I had to reauthor the disc with DVDRemakePro before it would successfully recode the menus... and even then I found that the audio was sped up to a comical pitch after conversion.

I don't know if it was a default setting I changed or not.  It converted the menus from 25 to 29.97 by using AssumeFPS(29.97) and speeding up the audio to match.

DJ, if you get a chance could you tell me the settings you see when you select AviSynth (Menu)/Show Format Conversion Script Editor?

Just the duration buttons at the bottom.  I had it set to "Keep all frames - Video length will be different and Audio will be adjusted".

The other option "Drop/Add Frames to keep Video/Audio length the same" worked better.  I never noticed a problem before, but I definitely did tonight.

Lol. Good timing.

I've been working on a conversion today and making some tweaks to the guide while I was at it.

So far I've commented on DVDShrink stripping layerbreaks and P-UOPs.  The 25i script has been updated (suggesting some alternate filters, methods and it previously reversed the field order (oops)).

Things I've noticed that still need to be updated:

A comment on letting BeLight adjust for audio delays (if you ripped with DVD Decrypter, BeLight will read the delay and automatically set itself to correct it).

Possibly a recalculation for stream delays to reflect the slowdown (though the difference would be microscopic for anything less than 1000ms).

Further info on what to do if there are subs at the top AND bottom of the screen (I described it to you in a PM.  Appendix B still covers any problems there anyway.)

On the whole the changes are minor, wouldn't effect all discs and even if you didn't do any of it probably would have no noticeable effect on your finished DVD.

I suspect this guide will never be 100% done, but it's in very good condition right now.  Give it a go.  If you have any problems contact me.

All right.  I stand corrected.

InfoDroid just tends to have a very unique vision of what to do with IJ films.  But I suppose any idea may spawn other ideas.

Forget I said anything.

Edit: To clarify... my crazy comment is derived from my continued confusion over how many different KotCS projects are actually in the works and the differences between them since all editors are using the same thread.

Infodroid, please don't take this the wrong way (since everyone has their own tastes, and that's okay), but perhaps you should start your own thread.

The suggestions on this thread are largely for people that want to fix KotCS so it more resembles earlier Jones films.

Your previous ToD and LC edits have shown that you dislike the franchise in general.  It's sort of incompatible with the spirit of this thread.  I would be unhappy to see any of the people that were here earlier taking onboard any of your suggestions.

Again, this isn't meant to be an attack, I'm sure there's people that like your Indiana Jones edits, but I am not one of them.

But then again I feel last Crusade is better than Raiders... so what do I know.

TMBTM's idea doesn't sound bad.

The skeletons start spinning, beams shoot from them into Spalko, she starts receiving images and then she melts, explodes, or bleeds from her orifices.

I'm thinking, instead of newsreel footage, how about lots of random disturbing images of death, decay, disease, distruction, etc.  They could be overlayed (transparent) Spalko standing there, or quick, rapid, epileptic siezure inducing intercuts.

While I agree that they should have gone for an artifact or something more embedded into the collective unconscious (a REAL City of Gold, the original Cross, the Fate of Atlantis, the Infernal Machine, proof aliens built the pyrmaids, the last lightsaber (it did happen a LONG time ago)...), the mythology of 13 crystal skulls was not invented for Indy.  It's just more obscure.

I figured that all the knowledge of an interdimensional race is more than a human being's brain can handle.

I think something more simple like blood coming out of her ears and nose then just collapsing or something would convey that better than a fireball.  Maybe accompanied by a wooshing cacophony of overlapping sounds like it's all being crammed in her head.

dark_jedi said:

focuspuller said:

When this gets put back up is it going to be Anamorphic?

 

FF said that is the plan,and I am sure it will be,I am helping him as much as I can.

Will it be a crop and upscale or does the source have the added resolution.

I just got to sit down and enjoy this tonight.

It looks and sounds great (better than a lot of commercial discs).

Excellent work.  Thanks for putting in the work CompMovieGuy.

Btw, for those using it, here is an updated subtitle file.  A large part of the dialog during the credits was missing before.

http://www.mediafire.com/?nzmzhlxuzea

Heh heh.  I just realized the movie is "Feds" not "F.E.D.S.", which is something else.

Oh, since the torrent doesn't exist anymore, for those that want english subtitles, here is my own version:http://www.mediafire.com/?nzmzhlxuzea

I capped the movie from an old Starz VHS recording, ripped the captions, retimed and corrected any dropouts.

They're largely paraphrasing of the dialog, but it's better than no subs if you need them.

Edit: Subtitles link updated... see post below.

Have you seen JJ's film skyjedi2005?  The trailers look amazing and JJ doesn't do much wrong.  I just worry that he's a (gasp) Star Wars fan not a Trek fan.

I'll no doubt grab this Special Longer Version, but there's no getting around the fact that the movie is deeply flawed and really has about an hour of story stretched out.

Abrams may have made a better film, you don't know (and neither do I).

DVD Rebuilder has no PAL to NTSC settings (and it really really should).  In fact AFAIK there is no single program that can do such a full conversion (though movie-only options abound).  If you are interested in rolling up your sleeves, take a look at my hefty Full PAL2NTSC guide over in the How-To/Technical section of this forum.

That's a bit off topic.

On topic is a question that I'm sure has been asked and answered but I'm just drawing a blank on... are the effects in this cut theatrical or the Director's Cut redone effects?

I personally had no problem with the new ones and wish they went that far when they remastered TOS. Though with HDTV used as a source in this, I'm guessing there are no updated effects.

jones1899 said:

I also hate how Indy rubs Mutt's head - very cheesy.

Wow, you just summed up the whole movie. ;)

They start up the spaceship-y thing, a giant fireball engulfs the screen, the end.

No stupid Spalko death, no joyfully running from stupid water trap, no sappy wedding scene and no sequels.

Edit: Speaking of which are you doing something to that cliche riddled wedding?

skyjedi2005 said:

Doctor M said:

I can't imagine Indy obsessed with ANY artifact after the events of Last Crusade.

He's seen where that leads.

 

Is not that the whole point of Indy IV that the only treasure he found on his travels of "fortune and glory" worth having and holding on to Is Marion Ravenwood.

In the end the only thing that matters he discovers is love and family, and all these treasures and hollow pursuits were just distractions. I can imagine him Hanging up the hat and whip for good unless Marion goes on his next quest with him. Its more likely he will pass them on to mutt. Mutt will wear the jacket hat fedora and whip. Indy Fans don't want a Mutt Jones trilogy but clearly IV was the Last real indy picture.

Yeah film fans wanted Indy to remain an aventurous bachelor forever and be forever youthfull like james bond, to do that Lucas and Ford need to recast the role.

I could have understood a prequel Indy film starring Sean Patrick Flannery as Indiana Jones. How old is that actor now?

Do you think Instead of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles if River Phoenix did not die it would have been a natural progression for them to make YOUNG INDY prequel films.

Perhaps NOT the last real Indy movie.  They've made some noises about a possible #5 & #6 and not the Adventures of Mutt Jones, but Harrison Ford back.

As far as Sean Patrick Flanery, you could have last seen him as Greg Stillson on the Dead Zone TV series.  He's not that Indy looking anymore.

I can't imagine Indy obsessed with ANY artifact after the events of Last Crusade.

He's seen where that leads.

I'm a bit confused, how many edits are in the works, by who and what are the differences?

I'm thinking this info should be tracked in the first post, or a separate thread used for each edit.

I'm afraid for that 'burn on demand' program.  It basically means they're going to neglect deeper catalog titles using the excuse that they're available on demand.

For a $20 DVD (which is expensive for today's market) I expect restored anamorphic video, clean 5.1 audio (whenever possible), english subtitles, and a few nice extras (at least a trailer).

Professional and proper encoding/authoring takes time... that I'm sure they won't bother with.

I think what it will turn out to be is a disc in a cardboard sleeve with just a movie, a generic 'burn on demand' menu, and video quality that looks like they capped it off the air.

No matter how great the lure of a 'lost movie', I don't think I'd buy anything under those conditions.

Looks amazing.  Time to retire that laserdisc rip to Xvid to DVD I have.

I'm floored by how many movies are not on DVD that made it to laserdisc, which was a much less successful format.

I've checked HDBits, the new groups and a bunch of other likely sites with no luck.

Anyone with an account over on Bit-HDTV.com able to check for CompMovieGuy?

Well, looks like that's come and gone.  Ah well.

Edit: While a small consolation, there is a pretty good quality VHSRip (though probably really from laserdisc) XviD floating around.

3/26/2009: Corrected and clarified my clarifications from yesterday.

Edit: And a quick edit.  Mistakenly referred to 5% being safe for subtitles.  I meant 10%.  That's fixed now too.

3/29/2009: Discovered bug in more recent versions of DVDSubEdit.  Guide now recommends only v1.41 and older until it's fixed.

3/25/2009: Expanded and changed recommended settings in the section for DVDSubEdit.  Better placement for 16x9 vs 4x3 displays explained.

@ blukibuken: I was gonna say the same thing.

DVD Rebuilder, one check box and you're sorted.

+1

Starz has an HD channel, would be great for someone to do an HD2DVD preservation project of this.