I have to ask, what are you fixing? The Blu ray isn't officially out yet.
Since it has already been found, it might be fixed before the final release. Unless of course it is a deliberate create decision by some guy who (IIRC) didn't work on the film.
AntcuFaalb said:
I watched a 720p HDTVrip of SitS with my wife a few weeks ago. We downloaded it from Usenet. It looked excellent; nice and grainy. Also, there was no logo that I could see.
Is this the one you're talking about, Doctor M?
Yes and no. The version I grabbed was from someone disappointed with the remaining artifacts from the logo removal so he upscaled and patched those artifacts from DVD. It is an impressive job.
Should be a huge difference though.
Will do, although rips of the old version are still being shared. I'll clarify.
In the next day or two I'm planning on watching a version from the HDTV rip. There was some logo removal, but that has been improved in what I have.
Unfortunately, it's on a long closed HD site and I don't think it's being shared anywhere else.
SitS HDTV version in any form is probably the answer for anyone wanting HD.
I watched Peter Pan tonight and there was a 'making of' featurette that definitely used clips of the film from the same transfer as the first laserdisc.
Included is the clip of Tinker Bell measuring her hips... which has been the topic of some discussion (by me anyway).
Seeing it in motion I still can't tell if we are seeing effects detail that has since been scrubbed out or film/analog noise.
Is there interest in me putting up the clip?
This is the shot I'm referring to:
So those screenies previously posted are really that awful. Unbelievable.
This post: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Recommended-Editions-of-Disney-Animated-and-Partially-Animated-Features/post/653541/#TopicPost653541 was updated to add a comparison of the Diamond Edition of Cinderella.
I'm not sure what I think of it. Obviously processed more, but as you can see there is even more detail in the image than the Platinum Edition.
It's also less over bright which seems to deepen the blacks and colors. Re-animation aside, still image comparison makes the Diamond Edition look great.
Did Lowry over-scrub or are some of the supposed missing bits just vertical blurring? Dunno.
I will change the good enough recommendation to the Diamond though. If it's gonna be reanimated, it might as well look good.
I'm still trying to find a review of the UK release of Make Mine Music which came out a few weeks back. I assume it's the same censored version as the U.S., but we'll have to see.
I'll be updating Lady and the Tramp and Sleeping Beauty later on. I'm also aware Robin Hood, Sword in the Stone and Oliver & Company came out recently. I just haven't had a chance to go over the reviews.
So yeah, the guide is due for an update.
Hmm. I was disappointed by the film, I'd give this a watch though.
I always felt that the biggest mistake was to not have the actors with more than one role cast in some sort of logical manner.
Like A is 'the heavy', B is always the romantic interest, C seemed to always have the button, D has the comet birthmark, or some such thing.
Instead I found myself playing 'find the actor under the makeup' and trying to make some association with another timeline that wasn't there.
That's a director's mistake not something an editor can fix though.
Still, restoring the Russian nested doll framework seems like a REALLY good idea.
Subscribed to thread...
It's megashares not megaupload and MS allows download resuming, even for free users.
ALSO, I compared the Platinum DVD of Cinderella to the Non-Lowry LD2DVD.
My opinion? Disregard the screenshots. Yes, there are some flaws and color changes. It's not every frame that's wrong, it's just the occasional screw-up.
Detail lost in the magic dust? Yeah, some frames. But 9 times out of 10 they are sharper and are more numerous in the restored version. In the LD they tend to be a fat blurry line instead of hundreds of sharp sparkles and specs.
The ribbon on the dress when it's being made with the missing outline? The outline is missing in both the LD and the DVD when you have the same frame. Where's the detail in the shoulder frills on the LD? It's blown out.
Of course the laserdisc capture I'm working with could probably be better, but on the whole there is just more detail in the new transfers.
The Laserdisc has softer colors, is higher contrast, less detail, and I suspect vertical blurring (which would account for some of the magic dust being dimmer). Those screenshots going around look a lot like they were hand picked to favor the LD.
There is some stuff that are wrong, but when comparing identical frames, what's gained is just better than the alternatives. I favor the Lowry at least until someone does a film preservation anyway.
In order, Non-Lowry LD2DVD, Platinum Edition, Diamond Edition (DVD):
Compared the Diamond and Limited Lady and the Tramp DVDs today.
The screenshots linked in the first post are semi-fair. The Diamond DVD looks about identical to the Platinum (probably the same master).
I'm torn on this. I don't like the overclean of the newer transfers, but there is nothing immediately wrong with the new disc.
The "semi" part of semi-fair is that the images are resized. The Limited Edition is much more cropped on the left and right (like Sleeping Beauty) and is 4x3 letterboxed. There is definitely less detail.
So is the Limited more accurate? I dunno. It does look poor in comparison, but then again the Diamond has that over restored look that annoys me.
Is it fair to still call the Limited the "Purist" choice and Platinum/Diamond "good enough"? Am I missing something?
I saw the first Matrix in theaters 3 times opening weekend. Yeah, I dug it that much.
I was always happy with the DVD. When I saw Matrix 2/3 and the recolored release versions I was like WTF.
If the DVD is off, it isn't by much.
Using Filestube.com I found some working megashare links for this. I'm not sure if it's still around anywhere else.
Oddly it is tagged with "Fixed THC" not sure what that's about though.
Just to save you time, you cannot merge laserdisc chroma with DVD/BD luma. The restorations tend to stabilize, realign and sometimes de-rotate cells.
Attempting to directly use the chroma channel will result in colors bleeding across lines.
You can try to use ColourLike and other tricks to color correct, but even then since we've seen repainting going on, the luma AND chroma will be altered in those areas creating incorrect colors.
Actually, to follow up the Lady and the Tramp question... has anyone read anything about the Diamond Edition?
Usually I can find someone on some forum complaining about how wrong Disney got things... but not for LatT. Is it quietly correct (like Bambi) or do people not particularly care about that film?
Also, I was thinking that a few releases, such as the Special Edition Peter Pan and the two 2-disc Alice In Wonderland DVDs are pretty good transfers, but with colors a bit off.
There's no reason we couldn't come up with some short avisynth scripts to color correct these that people could plug into DVD Rebuilder and automatically create a better disc for themselves.
Alice is good, but the colors are a bit on the dull side. Her hair just doesn't seem as yellow as it should be among other issues.
Peter Pan suffers from being on the cold side, a tweak with ColorYUV could fix that in no time. The Diamond edition would probably even be a good reference.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Scripts?
Updated first post again to clarify some language and some slight recommendation changes.
Bambi: Mentioned crawling fur might be present on Platinum Edition and that the Diamond Edition is considered one of the least damaged Blu-ray transfers (even preserving ripple glass effects). BD is added as an 'acceptable alternative'.
Alice in Wonderland: Some minor wording changes and elaborated on digital alterations on BD. Recommendation is unchanged.
Peter Pan: Clarified edition differences a bit better. Recommendation also unchanged. Further comment was made on the damage done to the BD in restoration.
Edit: Can anyone confirm that the screenshots here: http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/writings/dvdimage-tramp.html are accurate representations of the Lady and the Tramp releases?
The Platinum releases don't typically show this much loss in detail and color replacement.
Um, I like Jdownloader.
Sorry to zombie this thread, but if the pre-release is going to be the last of this, could we get a better quality version (ie, DVD)?
It was still better than pretty much any other cut to date.
Sorry, awful Man of Steel inspired me to post.
Molly said:
LOL EASTMAN PRINTS
That was funny?
Guide updated: Indicated that Non-Lowry Cinderella is synced to Platinum Edition's audio track and waffled about '08 vs '12 release (still not recommended of course).
Sleeping Beauty recommendations revised based on the colors seen in that picture above and a link to the comparison pic added.
Sword in the Stone: Tentatively commented on BD and linked screenshot post above.
Mary Poppins: Added my own opinion that Lowry used too much edge enhancement.
All the above screenshots linked are now in my own ImageShack account, not hot linked. I already lost some Peter Pan pics by doing that.
I still wouldn't mind some more opinions regarding PP, btw.
Here is something interesting.
Suddenly considering the '97 laserdisc the reference seems shaky. It also calls the 2003 DVD into question which we assume is right because it looks similar to the '97 release.
I'm not sure what the '87 source is here (I assume a LD or VHS), but it looks A LOT like the '08 release's colors.
Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt Disney has reanimated the '08 version, but those colors may not be as wrong as we all think.
Maybe my memory is shot, but I could have sworn that the BD and DVD greens were a different shade. The BD being more yellow/lime.
I'm not seeing that in the comparisons here.
A question that doesn't seem to be answered: what is the sample size being used on colourlike?
The program works by taking a 'read' of a sample clip, averaging what the frames are like, arriving at a single answer and applying it to the full range of the replacement video.
Are the screenshots a sample of 1 frame applied to 1 frame? The entire scene? Large chunks? The entire DVD (which shouldn't work because the color timing is so different between scenes)?
Just single shots like this don't really prove anything.
Wow! Not BS.
Some screenshots... I tried to get as close together as possible, but they aren't my caps (images resized for post, but you can view them full size):
BD 50th Anniversary Edition (1080p): 
iTunes (1080p):
Usenet source(?) HDTV @ 720p:
@zeropc: It's the Blu-ray screenshot that dubiously awful though.
nirbateman said:
I'll have the featurette uploaded later today under the "Preservation Discussion" thread.
Where is that?
ww12345 said:
Alas, no uncensored footage... :(
Lots of cuts through the Beethoven. I don't know if that's how it was cut for TV, or if that's how it was cut for the Educational Digest version. Either way, bummer...
I'll post pics later - decent color, but nothing we haven't seen.
If the film stock changes in the middle of the reel, I would think it has been re-edited. Is it possible someone cut it out on their own? Do you see any physical splices in the film?