Dek Rollins

Warbler said:

Warbler said:

Yackwicks?

still waiting for an answer for this.

yhwx-

I mean Bruce.

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Dek Rollins said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Dek Rollins said:

Collipso said:

The “they’ll get the guns anyway even if illegally” argument is nonsense. By that logic, why bother having laws in the first place?

In many states, as well as federally, smoking pot is illegal. People still do it constantly because they have some sort of access to it illegally. The same applies to pretty much any other product. If there is demand for it, at least a few of those demanding it will get their hands on it somehow.

Any other illegal drug, alcoholic beverages during prohibition, alcoholic beverages to minors today, porn to minors, child porn, etc. is accessible in some way to those who seek it hard enough. The same applies to weapons, especially considering the whole 3D printing situation.

So we should stop regulating child porn, alcohol, etc. because people are going to get it anyway, right? That’s what I’m hearing and it’s fucking stupid.

I never said that. It should all be regulated, but regulation will not ultimately stop every possible instance. It will just keep it down to a minimum of occurrence.

Of course. That’s exactly what all of us who want stricter gun regulations wants and expects. So I don’t understand why anyone argues against it with the “They’ll still get guns illegally” defense and it infuriates me that that defense actually seems to be working, seeing as how there’s been essentially no meaningful legislation or really any steps taken toward the necessary regulation to reduce gun violence/mass shootings for years.

Also, a point - the pro-gun (or should I say anti-regulation) lobby seems to think that those of us who want tougher gun laws expect such laws to completely eliminate these incidents. We don’t, that’s pretty much impossible and we know that. But 50 people dead from a mass shooting or two in a year is a hell of a lot better than hundreds or thousands from dozens of mass shootings in a year.

The thing is, we are all being over protective of our stance, because of the extremes on both sides. Plenty of people actually want to ban personal ownership of guns. This angers people who want to keep their guns and they start thinking everyone thinks this way. Apply that to the other side of the arguement and you’ve got a bunch of people who can’t compromise.

I agree with you though.

Truth is, even though a lot of people would prefer if there were no guns at all, almost none of them are actually advocating for that right now. Most people just want some level of reform. So, essentially, the two sides of the debate are “please let’s do something/anything,” and the other side is “let’s do literally nothing at all.” Only one of those seem like an extreme to me.

But you’re just ignoring the different arguments now. Frink and Yackwicks both said they wouldn’t mind a total ban in this thread, and there are definitely those who actually advocate for it out there. And then there are just people who think the current laws ate the best they can be without stepping on rights. Regardless of whether you agree with them, that stance is not very extreme. Extreme are the people who don’t want any hoops to jump through.

Collipso said:

Not sure if it has been mentioned but apparently the killer was a white supremacist. Nice.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-shooting-latest-nikolas-cruz-white-supremacist-republic-parkland-school-a8212851.html

Apparently 4Chan made that up.

EDIT: Don’t have a source, just heard about it.

Yeah he posted in the Army of Darkness versions thread about the same thing JMO filled my fanedit thread with, among the other consistencies.

ChainsawAsh said:

Dek Rollins said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Dek Rollins said:

Collipso said:

The “they’ll get the guns anyway even if illegally” argument is nonsense. By that logic, why bother having laws in the first place?

In many states, as well as federally, smoking pot is illegal. People still do it constantly because they have some sort of access to it illegally. The same applies to pretty much any other product. If there is demand for it, at least a few of those demanding it will get their hands on it somehow.

Any other illegal drug, alcoholic beverages during prohibition, alcoholic beverages to minors today, porn to minors, child porn, etc. is accessible in some way to those who seek it hard enough. The same applies to weapons, especially considering the whole 3D printing situation.

So we should stop regulating child porn, alcohol, etc. because people are going to get it anyway, right? That’s what I’m hearing and it’s fucking stupid.

I never said that. It should all be regulated, but regulation will not ultimately stop every possible instance. It will just keep it down to a minimum of occurrence.

Of course. That’s exactly what all of us who want stricter gun regulations wants and expects. So I don’t understand why anyone argues against it with the “They’ll still get guns illegally” defense and it infuriates me that that defense actually seems to be working, seeing as how there’s been essentially no meaningful legislation or really any steps taken toward the necessary regulation to reduce gun violence/mass shootings for years.

Also, a point - the pro-gun (or should I say anti-regulation) lobby seems to think that those of us who want tougher gun laws expect such laws to completely eliminate these incidents. We don’t, that’s pretty much impossible and we know that. But 50 people dead from a mass shooting or two in a year is a hell of a lot better than hundreds or thousands from dozens of mass shootings in a year.

The thing is, we are all being over protective of our stance, because of the extremes on both sides. Plenty of people actually want to ban personal ownership of guns. This angers people who want to keep their guns and they start thinking everyone thinks this way. Apply that to the other side of the arguement and you’ve got a bunch of people who can’t compromise.

I agree with you though.

Collipso said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Dek Rollins said:

Collipso said:

The “they’ll get the guns anyway even if illegally” argument is nonsense. By that logic, why bother having laws in the first place?

In many states, as well as federally, smoking pot is illegal. People still do it constantly because they have some sort of access to it illegally. The same applies to pretty much any other product. If there is demand for it, at least a few of those demanding it will get their hands on it somehow.

Any other illegal drug, alcoholic beverages during prohibition, alcoholic beverages to minors today, porn to minors, child porn, etc. is accessible in some way to those who seek it hard enough. The same applies to weapons, especially considering the whole 3D printing situation.

So we should stop regulating child porn, alcohol, etc. because people are going to get it anyway, right? That’s what I’m hearing and it’s fucking stupid.

Not only that, but I find it hard to compare a plant to a killing machine.

To Dek: most people in the US are good. I believe in that and so must you, because if not we’re all fucked and we’ll be living in fear. People acquire pot even if it’s illegal because it being illegal is nonsense. It is a plant that will get you high and that’s literally it. It’s not harmful to anyone. You cited other examples of course, such as child porn, which is absolutely sick, but I’m pretty sure that marijuana has a larger underground market than child porn, and that’s because there are more people of good than of bad, at least in America.

I do believe there are more people of good in general. But can’t the harmfulness of marijuana be debated? I mean, if someone tried to operate a vehicle or some sort of machinery while high, they could harm someone, right?

And yes I do think that if child porn was legal it’d have a larger market.

Of course it would have a larger market. It would be more easily accessible.

People are crazy but some just don’t know it. Take Possessed’s anecdote and apply it to several things, because it is applicable.

I’m not sure what you mean.

I’m glad you’re still here with us by the way Possessed, I thought that wouldn’t even need to be said but why not. You’re a good fella and you’d be missed by me and all the others. Thank the maker for Illinois’ guns laws.

+1

ChainsawAsh said:

Dek Rollins said:

Collipso said:

The “they’ll get the guns anyway even if illegally” argument is nonsense. By that logic, why bother having laws in the first place?

In many states, as well as federally, smoking pot is illegal. People still do it constantly because they have some sort of access to it illegally. The same applies to pretty much any other product. If there is demand for it, at least a few of those demanding it will get their hands on it somehow.

Any other illegal drug, alcoholic beverages during prohibition, alcoholic beverages to minors today, porn to minors, child porn, etc. is accessible in some way to those who seek it hard enough. The same applies to weapons, especially considering the whole 3D printing situation.

So we should stop regulating child porn, alcohol, etc. because people are going to get it anyway, right? That’s what I’m hearing and it’s fucking stupid.

I never said that. It should all be regulated, but regulation will not ultimately stop every possible instance. It will just keep it down to a minimum of occurrence.

yhwx said:

3D printing won’t come into play for a few decades at least.

It’s already happening if you didn’t realize.

EDIT: I don’t think one has ever been used to murder someone, but this video is from 2013:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA

Possessed said:

Some how I’m having a hard time equating it being easy to buy pot with being easy to buy a machine gun. I can buy pot any time. Can I buy a gun as easily? Obviously not I’m still posting

Of course it’s more difficult to acquire a gun. A lot more. I never meant to equate the ease of getting this stuff, just saying that it will always be possible as long as people want the stuff.

Reese’s Pieces come in bags of much more than nine, so I’m confused as to why you were counting your first handful.

Collipso said:

The “they’ll get the guns anyway even if illegally” argument is nonsense. By that logic, why bother having laws in the first place?

In many states, as well as federally, smoking pot is illegal. People still do it constantly because they have some sort of access to it illegally. The same applies to pretty much any other product. If there is demand for it, at least a few of those demanding it will get their hands on it somehow.

Any other illegal drug, alcoholic beverages during prohibition, alcoholic beverages to minors today, porn to minors, child porn, etc. is accessible in some way to those who seek it hard enough. The same applies to weapons, especially considering the whole 3D printing situation.

KumoNin said:

No need for him to report until there is something to report

You mean report that he’s probably a JMO sock? 😉

ChainsawAsh said:

Dek Rollins said:

I thought there were all sorts of barriers in place and background checks and such for getting a license as well as purchasing the weapon itself. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly.

I paid about $75 for a lifetime concealed carry permit. They supposedly did a background check and fingerprinted me for it, but it took like two days, so fuck knows how hard they actually looked. On top of that, I was gifted a 1911A1 handgun and was shocked to discover that I don’t have to register it in any way, shape, or form. So if I go out and shoot someone in the head with it, wipe my prints off really well, and ditch the gun, there’s nothing to tie it back to me.

These are serious problems that need to be fixed. So different states have different laws on this stuff? It should definitely have federal regulation if it doesn’t.

If more protections were put in place, the people who have a desire to mutilate other human beings will go to the trouble of acquiring weapons anyway, legally or not.

I’m so fucking sick of hearing this excuse. “They’ll get guns illegally anyway, so why bother?” Fuck everything about that.

Not everything about that. Illegal crap will still be out there. Even if guns were outright banned and confiscated, there would still be an underground gun trade going on. And I don’t take statistics from any other countries as proof to the contrary.

And yes, I know you followed it up with:

It won’t inherently solve the problem, just make it so that it doesn’t occur as often because it’s more difficult for them. Though of course that’s better than nothing.

Yep, that’s better than nothing, but “they’ll get them illegally anyway” is literally the excuse that’s been used for years to do exactly that - nothing. And people keep fucking dying.

I don’t use it as an excuse for anything, though I do think that it is the biggest thing to consider when talking about exactly how to place more control on guns. I think people should be allowed their guns, just with proper federal licensing.

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

I’d like to know how the hell someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues was allowed to legally buy guns.

BECAUSE OUR GUN LAWS ARE A FUCKING JOKE AND EVERY TIME THIS SHIT HAPPENS AND ANY SORT OF SANE REGULATIONS ARE PROPOSED PEOPLE WHINE “BUT NO MUH FREEDUMZ” AND NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS AND EVERYONE IS SHOCKED WHEN IT INEVITABLY FUCKING HAPPENS AGAIN A WEEK LATER.

I say this as a gun owner, but holy shit it should not have been as easy as it was for me to legally get one without any sort of training or proof that I actually know how to use one.

Fuck our country’s gun laws.

I thought there were all sorts of barriers in place and background checks and such for getting a license as well as purchasing the weapon itself. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly.

If more protections were put in place, the people who have a desire to mutilate other human beings will go to the trouble of acquiring weapons anyway, legally or not. It won’t inherently solve the problem, just make it so that it doesn’t occur as often because it’s more difficult for them. Though of course that’s better than nothing.

Would you rub another man’s rhubarb pie?

Wheels on Meals (1984) – 3.5/4

George of the Jungle (1997) – 3/4

Ocean’s Eleven (2001) – 4/4

Ocean’s Thirteen (2007) – 3/4

Bubba Ho-Tep (2002) – 4/4

Galaxy Quest (1999) – 4/4

Napoleon Dynamite (2004) – 4/4

I play trombone pretty good. Band and Jazz Band in school. I don’t practice at home though.

AYE NOW

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

Dek Rollins said:

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

I think Paja has nice hands, his skin is so soft looking.

RONG THRED

BUT WEAR IZ RITE FRED?

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/If-you-need-to-compliment-or-praise-something-this-is-the-place/id/53007

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Say-Something-Nice-About-Another-Poster-Thread/id/49505

TEIK YOOR PIC

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

I think Paja has nice hands, his skin is so soft looking.

RONG THRED

Does anyone here have the “Captain Supermarket” LD and/or the original Director’s Cut VHS?

I’d like to get the audio from those, and the JP LD is hard enough to come by, and I’d rather not spend ten bucks on a tape someone else might’ve already captured.

(MrBrown, did you get your JP LD captured ever?)

suspiciouscoffee said:

Dek Rollins said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

defense of Polanski’s raping of a child

Didn’t he apologize for those comments at some point?

Maybe, but I doubt it was much more than noncommittal vagueness to save his reputation. He also abused and nearly killed Uma Thurman on the set of Kill Bill, and has likely done much more that we just don’t know about (yet).

I also find it ridiculous when people refuse to watch/buy good films because terrible people in real life, and sometimes not even bad people but just disagreements. (no offense)

I’ll probably watch some of his works in the future, and maybe I’ll like them, maybe I won’t. Either way, I’ll wait until he’s dead to buy them.

EDIT: What the battery man said.

Like I said, I just find that mentality to be a little ridiculous. They’re still rich and famous, we aren’t stopping that by not buying a couple blu-rays. I mean, whatever floats your airplane, but I don’t care if someone’s an asshole in real life when enjoying high quality art.

suspiciouscoffee said:

defense of Polanski’s raping of a child

Didn’t he apologize for those comments at some point?

I also find it ridiculous when people refuse to watch/buy good films because terrible people in real life, and sometimes not even bad people but just disagreements. (no offense)

dahmage said:

Dek Rollins said:

Just a question: it may be spelled “dahmaged.” but how is it pronounced? I’ve always thought duh-mahj, like collage.

'dah’mage

‘mage’ like the end of damage.

Well, I’m right. 😉

Just a question: it may be spelled “dahmaged.” but how is it pronounced? I’ve always thought duh-mahj, like collage.