The altered version is the only version available on DVD and Blu-ray in any country. That’s why I made this project.
^ Is there any particular significance to that recording?
^That doesn’t sound good. How bad is the weather over there right now?
^ I just saw that the other day, and it certainly is something. Probably the best experience a new movie in theaters has given me.
OMG
The Sword in the Stone and The Black Cauldron are the best restorations Disney have done in a really long time.
I hope the all Pre-CAPS movies get the same treatment when released in 4KBlack Cauldron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQhP9RMf33A
People need to stop sharing that “My moonization” channel around. His comparisons are awful. The colors are completely incorrect in every one of his videos.
I disagree about a 4K scan being pointless. It doesn’t matter what resolution the original digital source was. The print needs to be scanned to preserve the unique version of the film, and the scan would benefit from the higher resolution, which better reproduces the grain on the print. Scanning in 4K also means it can be released in native 4K for those who want to watch a 4K version.
TPM has what, 70% or more shots with digital effects? That’s most of the film that’s maxed out at 2K. But it’s still worth a 4K scan of the print.
Probably the funniest thing in that SE doc is Rick McCallum not knowing what he’s talking about. “The original mix was so complex, so good, but there was no technology to actually hear it.”
The biggest change in ESB was the color grading. Where Hoth was originally white, in the SE it is blue. I am torn on the change, because I grew up with the SE color grade and I never hated it.
It’s not just the snow. The blue tint has been applied to the entire film & it changes all of the colors for the worse.
Yeah, even the original prints seem to have blueish snow in a few sequences (just from what I’ve seen in scan previews). It seems they wanted the whole film to have a consistently cold look in the SE.
None of that is necessary. The ratio on the film itself is meaningless, especially considering that a scope film isn’t physically wide, and because the ratio is sometimes going to vary shot to shot.
Your question is already answered. The films were projected with a 2.39 gate, but the difference between 2.39 and 2.35 is negligible and semantics, therefore most references for the aspect ratio will label all scope films as 2.35 regardless. And most home video releases of scope films are 2.35 (either 1920x817 or 1920x816), though some use 2.40 (exactly 1920x800). Of course this is referring to 1080p resolutions.
^Oh goodness it’s perfect.
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Now that’s a post I’ve not seen in a long time… a long time.
I just want to say that I thought you were just asking about historical accuracy of the aspect ratios. Just because it was projected with a 2.39 gate in 1977 doesn’t mean 2.35 would look incorrect. As was already mentioned it’s just semantics and the difference is negligible. As far as displaying a 2.39 image on a digital projector, I’ve been curious if cutting a matte out to stick over the projector lens would work. I don’t have a projector so I’ve never tried it.
As far as I can remember, this original theatrical mix is different than the one most of us are used to around the point where Dr. Menard shoots the zombie as it’s getting up, the end of the “shark vs. zombie” scene, and the zombie invasion of New York (the transition there happens after “…Manhattan. General Stein…” and the anchor’s scream sounds very different in the original theatrical mix).
Very interesting to hear. Who knew a movie with such a low budget would get so many changes post-release. Regrading and mixing’s one thing, but changes in voices and foley is just ridiculous.
Reminds me of when I saw the Evil Dead 4K restoration in theaters. It had an all new soundtrack and it felt far too grandiose for the original micro-budget film.
Ditto on the new Evil Dead score. Was much too much for the movie.
Film looked incredible, though.
Gotta get my hands on that 4K version. I do wonder if they’re still using the version that’s digitally tampered with to edit out one of the crew members showing in a one of those blink and you’ll miss it shots. That’s what I heard on IMDb anyway.
The 4K version still has the changes on the BD release with some exceptions. What comes to mind is that the lights in the background of the “they won’t let us leave” scene in front of the mangled bridge are no longer erased. I think Rob Tapert standing in the background of the bridge crossing shot is still erased, but the crewman’s reflection in the window inside the cabin is not erased anymore. The small lens flares in some shots are also no longer erased.
Ted Raimi should’ve played the Emperor. 😛
^I’m certain he’s referencing Evil Dead II.
Regarding Palpy, I mostly saw the '04 DVD when I was younger, but started watching P&S VHS copies eventually because I ended up liking the originals and didn’t own the GOUT DVD. Suffice to say a younger viewer who grew up with the PT and SEs should be able to see why the Emperor replacement is so poorly executed it’s embarrassing. The original Emperor is a small but incredibly memorable performance, and it outshines the phoned in Ian shoot by a mile.
And Shaw makes way more sense than Hayden in ROTJ.
So essentially keep the scene as is but cut out all closeups of Ben’s cloak.
I mean, burnt skeletons and a bloody severed arm, I think a similarly realistic depiction of Ben being sliced in half may have gone beyond the realm of PG.
Wouldn’t it be better to have Anakin fade away in ROTJ for consistency? Then Luke would just burn the suit to honor his father’s redemption or whatever.
That ruins his ghost showing up & revealing his redemption, which is why he doesn’t disappear as-is.
Yes but I was just referring to consistency, since Duracell brought it up. I personally don’t see any issues with how the force plays out in the films.
EDIT: You know, one interpretation could be that Anakin’s body stayed because his body was corrupted by the dark side, having been a Sith Lord. The Force essentially rejected his body when his spirit became one with the Force. Sort of a rebirth. Perhaps this has been thought of before.
Wouldn’t it be better to have Anakin fade away in ROTJ for consistency? Then Luke would just burn the suit to honor his father’s redemption or whatever.
If he didn’t know what happened how is it silly? It’s not like he does anything inherently silly. The cloak falls and the body appears to be gone. Vader approaches the cloak and steps on it in pizzlement, visually showing the audience more clearly what happened. It may seem obvious what happened without that shot being there, but I’m certain a first time viewer could miss it if that shot wasn’t in there to clarify it visually.
he was simply checking the cloak to make certain the body was completely gone.
Actual, Literal Laugh Out Loud
Also, not sure if serious…
I was half serious and yes I know its silly. :p
I just don’t get how him checking the cloak doesn’t make sense in the context of the series if it apparently does in the context of a standalone. Just asking for elaboration.
The Silver Screen Edition should not be used as an end all reference. When making that preservation, anything was up to their choice. I don’t know off hand what aspect ratio they used for it, but I would bet on 2.35 since most home video releases use that as the standard for scope movies. But if you’re a stickler for details, 2.39 I think is correct.
- Cut the shot of Vader stomping on Ben’s empty robes.
YES. He should know what just happened.
I brought this up in the Revisited thread (years ago, probably). Don’t remember how it was received by anyone.Funny that a change I’d like to see actually removes something from the film rather than add to it.
It works fine In Star Wars, but doesn’t make sense in A New Hope.
I’m not figuring out why him stepping on the cloak doesn’t make sense in the context of the “saga.” If we’re to assume Vader knows that Kenobi could do a Force Ghost Poof™, he was simply checking the cloak to make certain the body was completely gone. Otherwise, I don’t recall any of the other films, PT or OT, referencing Force Ghosts as a thing outside of Ben showing up in front of Luke.