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#1264632
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

Voss Caltrez said:

DrDre said:

So, there’s failure from a certain point of view, but from many others she is unrealistically successful (or lucky) given her lack of experience, and naive nature, and she achieves many of these successes with powers that she just almost instantly recieved from on high, and thus hasn’t really earned.

I agree with this.
But I don’t think it would play well if we saw Rey getting beat up like other action heroes tend to be.
Had Rey been rescued by Poe Dameron in a Hoth-like situation, people would accuse the filmmakers of resorting to the damsel-in-destress trope.
If Snoke had been hurling giant pieces of machinery at Rey’s back and head, she gets beaten and bruised with a black eye (ala Luke at the end of ESB) AND she loses the fight, it looks like a display of violence against women, and accusations of misogyny are made.

I don’t think she needed to be rescued, but I also think she might have a little bit more trouble escaping, maybe get a few scratches, and seem a little less jubilant in the battle of Crait. As it is the revelations and her failure don’t really seem to affect her much. Given what happened to her, and the Resistance you would expect a bit more somber and reflective tone, rather than smiles and congratulations.

And in A New Hope, Luke’s very old friend Biggs is blown up and other than a moment of sadness that he quickly shrugs off to get the job done, there is nothing. Of 30 ships only 3 came back and everyone is laughing and jubilant. Why? because even when there is a cause to be sad, we can be happy becomes something overrides the sadness. And in TLJ, after the survivor’s are rescued, Rey is somber when she talks to Leia.

Very good point yotsuya, I dont think I have an issue with TLJs ending particularly as you said when comparing to ANH only issue is like most said no time for them to stop and reflect.

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#1264615
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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RogueLeader said:

maybe they could’ve shown Rey take a little more effort to do certain things. But luckily that’s what things like fan edits are for!

Definitely prefer fanedits over theatricals.

This is another reason why I think it is good to trim the Rather scene and cut Rey saving Finn from one of them.

DigModiFicaTions edit does it best when handling the Rathtar scene by keeping it short as soon as Han punches the gangster goon he cuts then to Han trying to open door to hanger by using Chewies bowcaster thus removing most of the CGI antics.

I personally kinda wish Rey would’ve stretched out both of her hands when lifting up all of those rocks at the end of TLJ, which I know is a little trivial but it does show a little extra effort. I think a skilled editor could actually do this. Minor, but something I’d like to see.

Sounds good

This is another reason why I would keep the Caretakers. One trait of a Mary Sue is that everyone loves her, and the Caretakers clearly aren’t too fond of Rey. Haha.

Thats one reason but ultimately keeping the caretakers in lets us have in my opinion the most important deleted scene which is Lukes third lession and how the Jedis dogmatic views have become dated.

It best explains this mystical energy field recognised by an old religious group known as the Jedi and a power crazed cult called the Sith as the force. Luke while on his own recognises what he was told to be called the force is neither the Jedis nor the Siths and the slave kid at the end using his untrained talent to pick up his broom reminds us that the galaxy far, far away is a big place with alot of stories to tell outside of the Jedi/Sith.

When it comes to editing I try to approach things in a “less is more” kind of way. Like, what would be the smallest changes that would have the biggest impact on your perception of your character, in your opinion?

😎👍

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#1264175
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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DrDre said:

Can we please get back to discussing content? These personal beefs and insults are really tiring to read. Thank you!

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Well said DrDre its a bit tricky sifting through trying to read genuine replies, we’re all intelligent enough here to give a responce without it turning into a Youtube comments screen. 😋

Valheru_84 said:

Darth Muffy said:

Mary Sue Video

This video best explains the Mary Sue issue not just for StarWars but for other future films.

So I’ve just got around to watching the video and I could not agree more with the entirety of it. However Darth Muffy, though you obviously agreed with the video I think the title of this thread and claiming it to best explain the Mary Sue issue is a misnomer and does a disservice to the video and Thor himself in creating prejudice against him and the video before it is even viewed as people opposed to the term are already in a mindset out of the gate to discount what is being said and view it in a harsh light before even hearing what Thor has to say and people who think Rey is a Mary Sue enter looking for validation and even circle jerking for some who just want to throw around “Rey is such a Mary Sue!” in the comments and have it repeated back to them.

I understand the term Mary Sue means different things to different people and can be wrongly used when validating the new films but for this thread if you could please watch the video like Valheru now has explaining that term used within this particular discussion as I except Rey to be a Mary Sue within the context outlined in the video but I personally still also very much like Force Awakens & Last Jedi as well.

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#1263993
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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RogueLeader said:

joefavs said:

This. When your relationship with Star Wars consists largely of railing against Star Wars, you’re doing Star Wars wrong.

… Sorry for the rant. Just get tired of this stuff man. I know this has little to do with the point of your post, Muffy. I think Rey could’ve been written a little better, but I just think the whole Mary Sue argument is a tool haters use to justify their disdain for these new movies.

I hear you RogueLeader I was in two minds posting it as I really do enjoy the new films and looking forward to the next irrespective of the extreme views some have of the franchise now. My original point was the issue is not just with Starwars but the industy as a whole.

I guess having no real Starwars movies for so long after original trilogy and then so much so soon its hard for some people to except change eg. “fans” like the Geeks and Gamers guy.

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#1263609
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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IsanRido said:

I don’t like the ST myself, but the Mary Sue argument is very silly and indicative of one’s attitude towards women. “We don’t hate women, we hate poorly written characters” doesn’t apply when a person defends the prequel trilogy over these films.

Your right the prequals were just poorly written stories and films where as Force Awakens and Last Jedi whether you like them or not have more depth within the narrotive. Personally I like TFA & TLJ and overall can overlook their faults to enjoy the story they tell and look forward the future ones to come when the Skywalker saga finishes.

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#1263526
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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EddieDean said:
I think the TV shows are important enough though to carry a lot more weight when considering whether or not to include something in your fanedit movie canon.

I agree I was’nt initually a fan of The Clone Wars shows but have warmed up to them thanks to Smudger9s edits which condenses them and removed alot of the childish humour, that and cartoon networks Clone Wars (without the “The” in the title) both can stand alongside the main films.

I’m not there yet with Rebels or Resistance but love what they’ve done with the web series shorts Starwars Adventures as it hits the target audiance perfectly my little ones seem more interested and understand the films better for them.

I’m happy with where StarWars is now as it can always be course corrected by a talented editor if it strays too far by trying to please too many audience groups and when the Skywalker saga finally reaches its conclusion theres going to be alot of galaxy far far away to start new stories with.

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#1261251
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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SHOCK

WOW, SHUT THE BLAST DOORS !
My go to version of the force awakens is getting a revamp to V3!

This is brilliant as these new changes mirror the exact scenes IMO that needed editing which DigModiFicaTions Heir To The Force had got right.

  • Finn doesn’t mass slaughter the hanger bay troopers who were his comrades just moments before.
    💡Less Wohoos! as the pair escape in the Tie fighter would be nice, “Did you see that, DID YOU SEE THAT!”😓

  • Addressed issue of Kylo stating “its FN-2187” the scene was so random !?

  • Fixed Finn’s comedic line about almost being killed several times by Chewie gone

  • Removed Han shooting a stormtrooper while facing the other way, Thank you Hal
    💡Would of been nice to of had the Han liking Chewies bow caster scene cut here as come on hes never used it in all the time hes known Chewie? Han appreciating the bowcaster at the Rathtar scene was passible but not so here.

  • Removed Finn’s comedic moment of misunderstanding Han’s head nod while searching for Rey, good as Finns no black Jar Jar

  • Removed mention of the Hosnian system’s destruction when Finns being introduced to Leia

  • No need to change mirroring Leia screwing over Chewie like at the end of ANH by walking past him here.
    😁 Very true, but… if it is possible to fix.

  • Hals new commentary track

Also:
💡Very subtle thing but the John Williams intro score in TFA seemed flat compaired to the original trilogies score for the intro crawl which Heir To The Force uses.

💡 Reguarding the Rathtar scene DigModiFicaTion did it well by cutting the scene at the right time so we wasn’t swamped with too much CGI on screen.

Thanks Hal9000
Merry Xmas

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#1259657
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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Thanks Hal 9000,

Both your Force Awakens: Restructured and this edit The Last Jedi: Legendary have been my go to versions over the theatricals so am very pleased to hear you’ve somehow improved your Legacy edit even more.

Hope to one day get the editing skills enough to edit back in the caretakers just so we can get the deleted raid scene on the island in there as it gives so much to the Rey & Luke story arc but we all cant have everthing can we ;]

Thanks again Hal 9000

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#1251466
Topic
John Marstons Redemption
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With Red Dead Redemption 2 coming out very soon which is set 12 years before the original game I wanted to go back and make a recap vid for myself as it has nearly been a decade since being in John Marstons boots.

The game has such a strong emotional well told story that needed just as good a score to accompany it so I edited up this quick recap vid.

Hope you like

John Marstons Redemption

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#1228359
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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Thanks Hal for making this fanedit, I’ve finally added a review on Fanedit:

Well the hints in its title Legendary this fanedit definitely is. On their own these amendments might not sound like much but all together makes all the difference to the end product. I got what the movie was trying to saying in the theatre and can appreciate the film because of that which is best said by Yoda:
“Luke, we are what they grow beyond” and Lukes: “Its time for the Jedi, to end.” quotes after all what are Jedi at the end of the day a group of religious force sensitive individuals so why not consider a new group with the next generation of force sensitive people and in turn open up that all to familiar galaxy far, far away.

With that in mind this fanedit strengthens this core message by tightening the story eg perfectly removing the unnecessary Canto Bight chase scene and cutting small scenes or quotes which leaves you less distracted and concentrating more on characters motives. Adding deleted scenes like Luke morning the loss of Han is a must to have here but my only problem is the omission of the other deleted scene, the third lesson were Luke shows Ray that the Jedi’s ways are ultimately floored as he tells her that rushing to help the caretakers is not the Jedi’s way. I can understand why this scene was not added back as Hals removed all scenes with caretakers to show Luke was truly on his own on the island but adding that third lesson would of paid off better with the stories flow even if it meant keeping the other few scenes with the caretakers in the film.

Overall this fanedits achieved what it set out to do by strengthening the original story and making that force sensitive broom boy scene at the end make more sense ;]
Well done Hals

Edit: Also must say listened to Hals commentary track and was nice to hear someone talk fondly of the original trilogy perticualy Revenge of The Jedi and like me was the first Starwars movie I had as a kid and how the originals shouldnt need editing of any sort except to remove any “special” CGI treatments.