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#1365174
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

And that’s an interesting read on the Leia death, with Rey feeling responsible for it. That makes sense! I’ll have to play with the scene, though, unless there’s a mock-up out there I may just not be remembering right now. If Rey stabbing Kylo is followed by Rey dropping headphones, there’d be a lot to cram in from Leia before seeing her give out altogether.

JakeRyan17 said:

That would be a tough edit, though an interesting idea. I think it’s doable.

The biggest hurdle is what now distracts Kylo for her to stab him?

Erm… guys its all in my mock up vid from awhile ago right here 😅

Video Breakdown:

  • Kylo gets distracted by flashbacks of him killing Han just before he is about to strike Rey down.
  • After Rey stabes Kylo she feels Leias pain and relises shes also wounded Leia.
  • Maz comments that “Leia knows what must be done now to reach here son” meaning sees a chance to use her force to reach out to Ben and bring him back before Kylo can re-merge again.
  • Before Rey flies off in Kylo ship she reaches out to Leia through the force for redemption but Leia is calling out for Ben instead.
  • Holding Hans medial Leia uses here life force to force Ben to visualise his fathers memory and save Ben.
    (Removed conversation between Ben and Han over Leias death to drive the point that hes only mirroring previous interactions with his father from memory)

Also done a theatre screening of Ascendant in my back garden for friends and family using Hals original V1 work print to better explain future changes being made for the final edit and everyone loved it. 😎👌
Screening

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#1364913
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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medioCORE said:

Hal 9000 said:

And about the 16 hours thing… It unfortunately is about the only real reason the characters keep pushing on so relentlessly, not going back to base and not staying to reflect for any length of time on Ach-To, etc.

Ah, bummer. Not even a throwaway line edit/rerecord saying “an attack is imminent,” or “they’re preparing to attack on all free worlds” or something like that? Haha

I just feel the 16 hour window is WAY too small for everything in the movie to take place. I personally think the characters’ urgency with the breakneck pace of the movie can be properly motivated by the terror of just the knowledge that Palpatine is back and preparing to wreak havoc:

Palpatine is revealed to be on Exegol and an attack is imminent -> Rey recognizes the name Exegol and knows how to find it based on the texts and Luke’s journals -> there’s no time to lose for the heroes to start the hunt for Exegol, especially since this is what Rey has been training for, and she’s motivated by her dark vision and wants to fight it -> they head to Pasaana to start the journey looking for clues, Rey finds the dagger that reeks of the dark side, which is growing in power by the minute, whispers getting stronger -> they need 3PO’s translation, so they have to head to Kijimi -> the dark side whispers/calls are getting even stronger, maybe flashing more visions in Rey’s head(?) -> this leads them to the ruins of the Death Star II on Endor -> etc.

But I’m just being whiny. I know it takes a TON of work, and I’m super happy and impressed with the work being done! You’re awesome!

EDIT: skipping through the movie, would it flow or make sense to put the scene of Pryde communicating with Palpatine (with minor tweaks) right after he kills Hux ("…HIS foolish act will be in vain…"), and then later just transition from Kylo throwing his saber to Leia’s body at the Resistance Base without that scene in-between.

Thats unfortunate its staying I agree with medioCORE that 16h doomsday clock feels out of place as the timers never referenced after that initial scene.

ChainsawAsh said:

Darth Muffy said:

If we’re emphasizing on Reys darker side via the sabre could we maybe consider Rey indirectly killing Leia

Haven’t watched your video, but this is how I interpreted the scene in the theater and how I still interpret it, and I still think it’s weird that nobody else seems to see it that way.

Rey definitely killed Leia by accident, you guys. That’s why she tried to run away and hide on Ahch-To.

/soapbox

Thanks ChainsawAsh glad to hear I’m not the only one who interpreted that way, hence my mock up video to futher emphasize the fact.

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#1363376
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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kewlfish said:

Alright all, here is Rey’s training scene. The Pasana clip was low quality footage, but I used the actual movie footage for this one. Let me know the issues that y’all see with it and I will continue to refine it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pKYCyA_32BLEWYfCi-Zz2XTV4xLY0OOu/view?usp=sharing

Well done kewlfish…
sabre

Also Rey rebuilt the sabre and used jedi techniques to bind the shattered kyber crystal, explained in vid here
So it really doesn’t make sense to have the sabre change back physically after all those changes when teleporting it to Kylo.

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#1363168
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

That’s all right. I’m not in a hurry to release a final product and would rather wait until things are right than to have to do a V2 sometime later. And I doubt your piece will be the final bit to wait for anyway.

I will decide on an approximate audio level baseline for the effect, being less than Kylo’s. It doesn’t need to be loud. And I’ll try to approximate how the audio effect behaves for Kylo’s saber. Or it may work better to only really hear it when the saber is on and things are quiet. I imagine underdoing it rather than overdoing it.

Wow Rays now weilding a crackling repaired sabre, This a genius idea nice one 😁👌

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#1362091
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Knight of Kalee said:

Burbin said:

Hal 9000 said:

Although, while a shot LIKE that would be nice, that particular shot doesn’t particularly scream end of movie. Rey doesn’t look emotional either.

I agree, that shot feels too active, it gives off a “time for another adventure!” vive, which is what it originally is, instead of a finale. And Rey loses all the emotion from the “Rey Skywalker” moment.

The chess scene works in a better, more subtle way to show that Rey’s friends travel with her. I much prefer the current, simpler ending. It puts the focus on Rey and the Skywalkers, and ends with just the Falcon riding off into the (binary) sunset. Classic!

+1

Though the Skywalker ghosts watching the Falcon/sunrise as an ending shot is a neat idea!

+1 too for chess ending, Might be a stretch with Hals edit but would be a fitting sight to see those ghosts at the end there.

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#1360249
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

majoras_wrath said:

Neerb said:

majoras_wrath said:

IMO, I think if you leave out the transports landing, but go straight to the interior shot of the stormtroopers disembarking and then charging into battle, it looks good. I also think muting the Battlefront footage would help, if you were to keep it in.

Strongly agree here. Not that I’m a big fan of the Battlefront stuff, but the landing is the worst part due to the odd speed and camera angle, and there shouldn’t be any voices when they leave so that it flows a bit better into Kylo’s reveal.

I threw together a SUPER rough cut in the default Windows editor of how this would look.

I like the battlefront footage, but I don’t want to throw half the viewing audience. The people that I showed this to that I know in real life were themselves split along the lines of people who play video games and people who don’t. I don’t know what it is about that footage, but if it is going to be drawing to a number of people I’d prefer not to include it in the very first scene. Just having the one shot of the TIEs added works better than I imagined it would. So I’m happy for the TIE fighters to show up, have a drum solo for a minute, and then proceed with the movie.

Agreed Hal best to keep it simple here, as previously discussed are we still able get some troop blaster fire on ground in this new shot, signalling a battle is already underway.

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#1359117
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Bobson Dugnutt said:

If you still wanted to reduce the blue on Luke’s force ghost, I’ve been working on toning it down with a lot of masks. Here’s a rough cut that still needs a lot of adjustments

Luke

Great work on this Bobson are we still changing the line from “and Leia knew it too” to just “and Leia new it”
for this edit.

Will it help to add some slight reverb to Lukes force ghost voice akin to Obi Wans on Dagobah ?

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#1358835
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Heres a thought to further extending the films pacing were needed and giving more depth to Leias death while also emphasising Leia helping Kylo become Ben again through his conflicted guilt over killing his father as well as Rey showing her darker side developing.

Rens Redemption video clip:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NQmlOR2p-7ad6a4NBYTSjxmJ7xlnK6-j/view?usp=sharing

Needs proper sound and clean up but hope you get the idea.

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#1355828
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

If I had to decide one way or the other permanently right now, I still lean toward leaving the structure of the opening as it is. However, I remain open to being persuaded and shown that it can work.

I won’t dub and sub Boolio unless there’s something to gain. Anybody think of some thing he could say to imply that the final order consists of old imperial star destroyers, that wouldn’t be too heavy handed or weird?

Also, one of you posted a good while ago a good edit point to remove the lightspeed skipping reference once the falcon returns. Who was that? It seemed good but I can’t remember how it went.

Darth Muffy said:

Possible Changes/Addition Ideas:

Mustafar

  • 00:03:10 - Palpatines “find me” line to Kylo
    Sounds a bit clean possibly give his voice some dream like fx, maybe adding an echoing effect ?

Beginning Chase

  • Remove Klaud scenes
    As already been mentioned by others

  • Make Boolio speak Alien & adding subtitles
    Although Mark Hamill voiced him the scene would feel alot better to have the charactor subed.

Resistance Base

  • Remove light speed skip talk from 00:13:41 to 00:13:51

Passana

  • Remove “they fly now!”
    As already been mentioned by others

  • Remove Kylos exploding tie centre piece after crash @ 00:38:44

  • 00:39:31 - Rey & Kylo Force Pulling Ship
    I find it really odd how close they both are to each other yet Kylo instead of just walker over to Rey just stands there using the force then watches as they run off. Removing 00:39:31 to 00:39:33 and slight cropping of Ren @ 00:37:47 & 00:39:55 we are left thinking theres some distance between Rey & Ren.
    Too Close

Kijimi

  • 00:45:39 Zorii telling Poe “I want to see your brains in the snow”
    Doesn’t sound like what a StarWars character would say. dropping that line leaving her slight nod to Poe holding a gun to his head would be a much better effect.

Exegol

  • 01:50:04 - Dyad Exposition Talk
    Having Palpatine explaining more exposition at this point does cheapen the scene more so if it was possible to just have him simply realising theres a mysterious force between Rey & Ren without touting the dyad exposition it would add more by saying less. Also maybe remove talk elsewhere about force Dyad.

  • 01:57:12 - Have the force ghosts disappear AFTER Palpatine explodes @ 01:57:17

Theres one other final big change which I feel would make a big difference involving Leia & the sabre battle with Rey & Ben but I’ll try and show it rather then explain it here via a mock up I’ll do to better explain.
Also cutting Chewies original alive reveal does kind of speed up on screen an already fast pasted film.

That was me Hal also heres that change involving Leia & the sabre battle with Rey & Ben.
Please bear in mind its only a crude proof of concept vid I’m running a lowly HTPC and using Win10 default Video app to cut and paste this together but I hope you get the idea.

Rens Redemption:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NQmlOR2p-7ad6a4NBYTSjxmJ7xlnK6-j/view?usp=sharing

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#1355722
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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jarbear said:

Anyway, the other eye roll is still the dagger “pop out” on Endor that points to the location of the Wayfinder. A simpler thing to do is to remove that pop out and make use of Sith whispers to “guide” Rey.

It’s a Sith thing, has dark side power to it and she has been guided by it before. (Sensing it on the Destroyer before her first duel with Kylo.)

The pop out part is just so … cheesy. Too Gooney. Also, it really makes no sense why they dude would chose a specific spot on “Endor,” made a design to “line” up with the DSII spot. It’s so bad.

Sith whispers is such a simple solution.

Completely agree jarbear, make use of Sith whispers to “guide” Rey 👍

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#1355721
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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krausfadr said:

Darth Muffy said:

  • Remove Kylos exploding tie centre piece after crash @ 00:38:44

Kijimi

  • 00:45:39 Zorii telling Poe “I want to see your brains in the snow”
    Doesn’t sound like what a StarWars character would say. dropping that line leaving her slight nod to Poe holding a gun to his head would be a much better effect.

Darth Muffy several of your suggestions I had implemented, and I’m sure others will. And the above two ideas are quite good. I just implemented both of them.
Kylo would have had to jump out before the explosion and that’s a bit ridiculous. So I cut it.
Also the brains in the snow bit is too much. I cut that as well. It was simple and only required muting the center channel and blending into and out of the muted part. Thank you!

Hal 9000 said:

You’ve all given me a hell of a lot of feedback on day 1 of the first workprint. I thank you.

I’ve just updated the OP with my intentions at this point in time and the status of each.

If anyone is interested in Muffy’s idea of making it appear that Kylo is farther away from Rey as they fight over the Chewie shuttle, feel free to give it a shot. I didn’t put it on my list, though.

I’m glad to hear your onboard with a few ideas I pieced together 😅

I really want to get a simple proof of concept clip up soon I’m sorting out involving Leia and Rey/Ren sabre battle I hope you also agree with. The misses is visiting the mother inlaws at the mo with the little ones (UK lockdowns have ease somewhat) which will give me time to sort it out 😏👍

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#1355563
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

Is there anything worth altering about Boolio’s lines if subtitling him? “Holy hell, I heard Palpatine returned somehow. I had to search everywhere to find this SATA cable.”

🤣 too true, but it might be worth a good think about adding some worth while lines at that point.

Hmm, removing the dyad exposition may make it feel even more weird. “The power of love has healed my cold heart. Healed it… FOR EVIL.”

I always just took it as a mystic force thing which simply gave them those abilities without labeling specific force details, but I know that kind of simplicity is not to everyones way of thinking about StarWars.
We’re far from the simpler times when the force could be explaned as an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.

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#1355551
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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This edit was exactly what I was hoping for with the emphasis being to tighten the original films story arch like Hals previous edits of the sequal trilogy without going too far out there which other edits can do using this as a template. By far the best two changes being the end battle with the emperor & the Exegol ship battle…

All fighters reporting in “That’s not a navy, sir. It’s just… people” 😁👌

Possible Changes/Addition Ideas:

Mustafar

  • 00:03:10 - Palpatines “find me” line to Kylo
    Sounds a bit clean possibly give his voice some dream like fx, maybe adding an echoing effect ?

Beginning Chase

  • Remove Klaud scenes
    As already been mentioned by others

  • Make Boolio speak Alien & adding subtitles
    Although Mark Hamill voiced him the scene would feel alot better to have the charactor subed.

Resistance Base

  • Remove light speed skip talk from 00:13:41 to 00:13:51

Passana

  • Remove “they fly now!”
    As already been mentioned by others

  • Remove Kylos exploding tie centre piece after crash @ 00:38:44

  • 00:39:31 - Rey & Kylo Force Pulling Ship
    I find it really odd how close they both are to each other yet Kylo instead of just walker over to Rey just stands there using the force then watches as they run off. Removing 00:39:31 to 00:39:33 and slight cropping of Ren @ 00:37:47 & 00:39:55 we are left thinking theres some distance between Rey & Ren.
    Too Close

Kijimi

  • 00:45:39 Zorii telling Poe “I want to see your brains in the snow”
    Doesn’t sound like what a StarWars character would say. dropping that line leaving her slight nod to Poe holding a gun to his head would be a much better effect.

Exegol

  • 01:50:04 - Dyad Exposition Talk
    Having Palpatine explaining more exposition at this point does cheapen the scene more so if it was possible to just have him simply realising theres a mysterious force between Rey & Ren without touting the dyad exposition it would add more by saying less. Also maybe remove talk elsewhere about force Dyad.

  • 01:57:12 - Have the force ghosts disappear AFTER Palpatine explodes @ 01:57:17

Theres one other final big change which I feel would make a big diference involving Leia & the sabre battle with Rey & Ben but I’ll try and show it rather then explain it here via a mock up I’ll do to better explain.
Also cutting Chewies original alive reveal does kind of speed up on screen an already fast pasted film.

Even if these ideas are ignored I still think the edits core changes are already good as is.
😁✌

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#1355345
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

And that’s very nice, Muffy! Actually, that reminds me that at some point cover artwork will be needed. Ideally, in the style of TFA:R and TLJ:L. The others had Kylo Ren and Luke, so I guess Rey would be a natural fit for TROS:A.

Okay so I expected some might not be on board with my first cover art so I have an altenative, It has Rey on it!.. 😉

Ascendant Covered

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#1355160
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Movies Remastered said:

I hated The Medallion but I couldn’t find a way of taking it out without it seeming like they just flew on board with no resistance.

Hal, how did you manage to get rid of Wickets sound at the end of the movie?

That Medallion scene was very (mc)clunky but your right without it they board without resistance and best left in for that reason.

Hal 9000 said:

Okay, finally was able to listen with earphones. I agree, it’s awfully noisy. I truly hate not to include a clip from everyone who submitted something, but maybe it’d be better to actually hear what people are saying… That initial mockup had some chatter and calling in, with some boosted to be audible and others less so, but there wasn’t as much sheer content then. Maybe going back to having fewer clips, selecting those that sound the best and making sure to include the ones from people who have contributed to this project the most regardless.

Collaboration Clip

EDIT: https://vimeo.com/428168141

Oh man that clip gets me every time I watch it, it really brings home the collaboration effort for this film. I’m inclined to agree with Hals reasoning with the audio balance listening with my 5.1 home theatre setup voices are best when balanced Hals way. But we get to hear the clip in full glory in the commentry track as Hals mentioned so alls good.

Endor

Also Endor is now where the DS2 crash site is, very intriguing stuff 😃👍

poppasketti said:

Here’s an alt for the end celebration including Coruscant in place of Endor!

Coruscant End Celebration
pw: fanedit

The incredible backplate was made by jonh, and I comped in the ships and added a bit of texture.

Thats perfect and also clears up confusion for more casual viewers mistaking Hosnian Prime which blown up as Coruscant.

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#1354503
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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jonh said:

latest and final version! corrected yoda height, luke’s hair in the last shot improved, and two more details improved … this is the final! hahahha, thank you very much!
BLUE
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KZju5TYhqExWXN13T6Krqs-ZS9UL1cL9/view?usp=sharing
PURPLE
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tSe7mW6WXpG4uTlyqsND-k2CBh6M4_NI/view?usp=sharing

there will be no more changes! I’m sorry, friends! 😉

Okay I’m really behind Leias purple sabre change seeing it in action right there in an otherwise sea of blue lights, Truly amazing stuff. Well done jonh 😏👌

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#1354013
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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jonh said:

A friend has told me that the proportion of yoda in the general shots is wrong, fucking shit, and now I can not stop seeing it too high, what annoyance, I will try to do an update in a few days 😓😓😓

It bothers me, because I have made you all download a thousand versions

👏👏👏 Well done jonh for making that, and looking at that clip with fresh eyes I can’t see any issues with Yoda or any other issue, seems you even fixed the long pause in the original when Rey catches the sabre to when she gives her line. Perfect work nice one.