Darth Mallwalker

Chewtobacca said:

Did Belbecus make a mix sychronized to the NTSC GOUT?

TV's Frink said:

Any idea when he might have posted

400' = Four hundred feet


Would be interesting to know how many were printed/sold.
None of my friends' families were into 8mm that I can recall. Might never have seen one growing up in the 70's.
The fellow across the street would bring home 16mm prints once in a while and play 'em for the neighbors. He taught a movie appreciation class at the rich boys' day-school.
Never STAR WARS though

msycamore said:

it would also be interesting to know if it misses the many frames the JSC do.

We Don't Need No Stinkin' Shrinkin' Stinky-Dinkins

(but I do miss his antics though)

Darth Mallwalker said:

We don't need no shrinkin' ratio!

msycamore said:

"There is a great disturbance in the force" will do fine. :)

Darth Mallwalker said:

It's incredible how much George suck$

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What I'm about to say refers to mine & Moth3r's Mitsubishi-pressed SWE:ISR
which is NOT the topic of this thread.

My Mitsubishi mint marks are:
C1130-85 A 04
C1130-85 B 05
C1130-85 C 07
Moth3r what are yours?

My Mitsubishi pics are in this thread. Mine is not fixed: it still shrinks.
Moth3r would you please, please, please check your copy (if your player isn't packed away) and tell us whether or not yours shrinks at those two reel changeover points which I've shown in that thread?
Since that thread is really about the Mitsubishi pressing, maybe I should post my mint marks there, or maybe you could quote my marks into that thread...

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hairy_hen said:

Aren't they on the PAL '95 laserdiscs?

hairy_hen said:

Incidentally, what sound mix does it have?

Red5 said:

Could this be the true 'shrink fixed' version davisdvd was talking about, but released in 1993 instead of 1992?

You might remember not too long ago Harmy wondered if he’d found a grail when he noticed less smearing on his PAL THX compared to GOUT.

Harmy’s thread is here.

I suggest opening that thread in a new browser window so you’ll be able to compare many of the same frames.

Maybe I follow Harmy down the same dark path . . . or maybe I’m onto something heretofore unknown. I hope you can help figure it out.

So anyway … I was at Disneyland the other day, and a serious preservationist turned me onto this.
The disc was mastered on 1993-08-21. DC project was already in pre-production by then Shirley [RIP]

Look, there’s our old friends! Do you recognize them ?

L.S.D.

IVTC’ed – that’s why the display is wonky

d00d’s about to get Vasoline all over his boots. Watch your step!
(In GOUT the Vasoline has already dissolved his boots 😉

Look Ma, no shrinkage

We don’t need no shrinkin’ ratio!

The next one was made a few days ago, so might have had different settings (bright/contrast/color/hue) than everything above.

There is three seconds video (17MiB) of this shot in motion

So what do you think? Is it worth a damn?
Not so much talking about the quality of samples shown, but rather the source.
Could this be the most important laserdisc you’ve never heard of?
Can it stand beside JSC as a smear-free alternative to GOUT?
Is this a disc aleksbmw will want to capture on his Hercules?
Will breaking this story earn honorable mention on TV’s listing Who’s Who Among Darths ?

OKay, DC Emperor
Which shot?

"What is thy bidding, my master?"
"There is a great disturbance in the force"
"He could destroy us"
"The force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi"
"Yes, he would be a great asset"
"Can it be done?"

Choose one

I hope y'all can see this

http://hotfile.com/dl/85328353/6108903/

codec is FFVH (ffdshow's Huff)
It contains the first forty-nine frames from PVI pressing 1425-84
(which might or might not be same as GOUT's first forty-nine)

I suspect it was always a grid pattern (i.e. scanlines in both dimensions)
We just don't have enough horizontal resolution to see the vertical lines in the wide LD caps.

Remember in the best-case scenario (if you had a HLD-X0 that wasn't twenty years old, or maybe aleksbmw's Hercules) you'd only get ~425 lines of horizontal resolution.
What would happen if you shrunk the SE image to ~425 width, then blew it up again. Would the vertical lines still be distinguishable?

GOUT might have shown them . . . if DVNR hadn't smeared them away already.

Perhaps dark_jedi's pan/scan cap should have shown the vertical lines, but maybe his old player was a hunk of junk or otherwise under-performing, and that's why he upgraded to CLD-79 Elite....

msycamore said:

Not that it really matters but I did check my GOUT frame counts again and this is what I get

msycamore said:

The 'conference call' scene is: 75235

none said:

So why split up the movie into so many VOBs?

The narrow-guage laser of a BD-ROM drive is your friend here.
Might get lucky and read the entire disc without errors (but could you trust the results?)

A better option might be finding two bad copies of the same title.
Might get lucky and the bad sectors from each copy might not overlap.
That is, assemble a good copy from more than one source.

Don't ditch the rotters!

This reminds me of something Russs mentioned to me recently.
Russs probably thinks I'm an asss for never acknowledging the PM he sent last month, but honestly I never could decide how I wanted to respond.
Reluctant to accept the nomination to become 'data recovery guy' . . . yet somehow unable to say no. A peculiar form of 'preservation' but somehow tempting.
How about it Russs? Got a bad copy of DJ_SWE_Ep6 ?

skyjedi2005, got a copy of DJ_SWE_Ep6 ? I'll trade you DJ_SEW_Ep4_ISR for it.


I got the skillz to try it but there's just one problem -- I ain't got no BD-ROM.
Might get lucky trying several different CD burners...

Yes there are bits of info to be gleaned from ISOs & IFOs

IfoEdit.exe - not just for editing ;)

For the ISOs you want a hex editor to look at the first 2or3 non-zero sectors.
I cannot recommend any Windows hex editor because I use Linux, but I'm sure they exist.

Here's an ISO (actually an IMG) of a familiar title:

We can tell MoveAlong uses DVD Studio Pro...

Here's IfoEdit.exe

The last line 'Provider ID' could be the title (as shown) or could be software name, or whatever the author wants to put there ... maybe nothing.

msycamore said:

The choking Admiral is: 34123

Still planning to look at the two scenes you asked about in Post 236.
Wanting to compare apples with apples, can you or Five tell me which GOUT frame numbers you're using for those two shots?

The choking Admiral looks like it might be 34139. Am I close?
The 'conference call' scene has so little motion that I won't even try to guess which GOUT frame it is...

dark_jedi said:

The Return Of The Jedi
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1983 Theatrical Stereo-- '85 Home Video ...... from 1986 laserdisc
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1985 Home Video Stereo Remix .................... from 1987 laserdisc
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

There I fixed it for you

So your disc will have two copies of '85 Home Video'
I wonder why you chose to do it that way?

Just wanted to waste some bit rate?
No seriously ... did you find some differences between them? Care to share?
I haven't found any, and hairy_hen didn't notice any in the short section I sent him.

Maybe you just want to preserve those two particular laserdiscs ... not that there's anything wrong with it!
In that case, don't you think they should be labelled that way?

Here's all my ESB laserdiscs, in order of release:

1425-84 (Pioneer, USA)




JSC




1425-85 (Pioneer, USA)

(first frame isn't shown because it's telecine on that CLV/CAA disc)


1425-84 (re-release by Mitsubishi, Japan)




DC (without Leia welding)




Capture card is OEM for Gateway with Bt878 chip.
Player is LD-V8000

SilverWook said:

Talk about resurrecting the dead! ;)

The "fixed" version is supposed to have the modern "Fox Video" logo to distinguish it from the CBS/Fox version. This may only be on the jacket and disc labels though.

davisdvd.com said:

Release Format: Laserdisc
Release Date: 1992
Studio: Fox Video
Technical Comments: 2.35:1 letterboxed transfer (corrected from the 1989 laserdisc)
Comments: The 1989 laserdisc was quietly reissued with the newly corrected letterboxed transfer, completely doing away with the "incredible shrinking ratio" problem. This release, pressed by Mitsubishi Japan, features the same catalog number as the 1989 release. So how can you tell the two apart? This corrected edition is released by "Fox Video." Coupled with the 1985 audio mix, this could very well likely be the best presentation of the film [ Thanks to David C. Fein ]

blam1.com said:

Mitsubishi repressing of the Widescreen edition. Identical to the Pioneer edition, with the exception of two chapters at the end of Side 3, which included SMTPE Color Bars and a Surround System Audio Check. Jacket art has been modified slightly.

Despite the hostile reactions to his original post, it seems Spider was right on the money.

Here's my own captures from my own copy of the 1992 Mitsubishi pressing:





As you can see, it's still shrinking.
It should be noted that both shrinks happen at reel changeovers.
[In case you're wondering why I haven't shown consecutive frames, it's because I don't want to bother IVTC'ing.]

And one more, taken from the same side of the same disc:



The color bars aren't very uniform, nevertheless I tried to get my capture settings 'in the ballpark'.

At this point I'm wondering if the shrinking ratio really ever got fixed.
Did Mitsubishi make more than one pressing run? Or did Fein give Davis misinformation?

russs15 said:

1992 Widescreen CLV, CX Stereo, 2 discs, Extended Play with fixed "incredible shrinking ratio", Fox Video - an ebay auction for this has now been won