Given that this has kind of become a story discussion thread =P I figured I would post this concept here. Now I'm not 100% that this would work, and I'm kind of anticipating some negativity around it, but just hear me out. What if "Skywalker" isn't Anakin's actual name? What if, when you are sworn into the Jedi Order, you are given a "Jedi name" by your master, similar to what you see in native american culture where you earn a name based on feats you performed in war. Anakin's actual name is "Anakin Lars." Ben gives Anakin the name "Skywalker" when he joins the Jedi due to him being an excellent pilot. Obi-Wan's actual name would be "Ben Kenobi." Obi-Wan can mean something in Yoda's native language. (Yoda's native language not being english would explain why he talks sort of strangely. Like an accent.) Being such close friends, though, they keep elements of their actual names when speaking to each other, saying "Anakin Skywalker" or "Obi-Wan Kenobi." When Obi-Wan delivers Luke to the Lars farm, he gives him Skywalker as a surname to honor the good man his father once was.
It is important to have the story not feel like a repeat of the OT.
Yes, it is. However, it also needs to feel similar to the OT and not be so different that it doesn't feel like the same universe, a lot of which could be done with the use of parallels and foreshadowing that enhance the OT. Anakin would have to lose his hand at one point. Mentors need to die. Sketchy social settings (cantina, jabba's palace, etc.) that usually play a big role in Star Wars. It needs to feel old and new. To me, the 2009 Star Trek movie is the perfect example of that old and new feeling that has to happen when you revisit a franchise, although I do cringe mentioning Star Trek positively on a Star Wars forum.
I actually have a 3Dtv. I was just saying that those without one would probably benefit from an anaglyph version.
I started playing around with a Mulan-esque concept for the use of clones in the clone wars. Republic becomes involved in a war threatening to destroy their way of life. Palpatine, a high-ranking politician, demands each family residing in the Republic to offer up one healthy member of their family to fight in the war. To stop their children from being sent off to war, many wealthy families have had clones of their children made to fight in their place, hence the Clone Wars. Another idea I've played around with is that it has nothing to do with clones of people, but rather the wars themselves were clones. One war comes to a close, but the Republic failed to learn from their mistakes, and due to the same set of circumstances as the first, another war breaks out. Similar to how we refer to World War I & II together, even though they were separate affairs. Calling them the "Clone Wars" is really more of a metaphor rather than a literal representation of who fought.
What are you using for the conversion? It looks far too good to be anything automated. I know the ins and outs of stereo 3d too and generally rely on Mocha for After Effects which I find works out fairly well. As for the comment on anaglyph 3d. I honestly don't understand the hatred for it. On it's own it does destroy the colors, but it only takes a usually fairly simple color correction to fix it. Nobody's going to be watching it without the glasses anyways. Granted, it will never look as good as polarized, but I think anaglyph 3d is perfectly viable for home viewing, and I'm sure the members of the community without a 3d tv would appreciate an anaglyph version of this as well when you get around to it. If not I could probably do it in After Effects (I did the same thing with a Jurassic Park 3d blu ray rip). But all that aside, this is a very ambitious project that I will be following with great interest.
Just found this website. Not sure exactly how reliable their sources are, but there is quite a whelp of information and speculation of the prequels dating back as far as pre-ROTJ. In the "Clone Wars" section, there is a rather long article written by a fan speculating what the story of episodes 1-3 would be that, while it may not be too useful for coming up with a story, it certainly is interesting to see the backstory from the point of view of a pre-return of the jedi mind. There's actually an interesting theory about how Darth Vader and the then unnamed Skywalker actually were two people, but Vader was a clone of Skywalker who went on to "betray and murder" Skywalker. So when Darth Vader reveals to Luke that "I am your father." He is telling the truth.... from a certain point of view. That theory just stood out for me and, while it kind of negates the idea of redemption present in Return of the Jedi as well as Ben's speech to Luke, it's still a pretty cool thought nonetheless.
Here's how I see the characters as far as roles in relation to the OT in my rough idea for what the prequels should be. Obi-Wan plays the same role as Luke. So, Obi-Wan=Luke. Anakin=Han. Mother Skywalker/Padme=Leia. Wilhuff Tarkin=Chewbacca (in terms of being friends and having history with Anakin. He could even be his co-captain as it's said that Anakin was "the best star pilot in the galaxy.") Darth Someone-or-other-evil-person-probably-Maul-because-he's-awesome=Darth Vader. Honestly, and I know a lot of people disagree here, but C-3PO and R2D2 could basically fill the same roles they did, so long as it was done believably and not like something that was thrown onto the story in the last second like the actual movies.
I very much agree, NeverarGreat. Still, just coming up with a great script - so great, people read it and WANT it to be the prequels - would be a triumph.
If someone offered a great overall concept and an outline, or a whole draft of a script that would provide some basis for people to offer changes and additions, perhaps quite major ones. But we'd need to be open to people poking at our 'art.'
I'm of the school that we keep all OT secrets. I want to work from a premise of what the PT would have looked like story-wise if made pre-77. I think there may be room for an Anakin/Obi-Wan centric story, but it is a challenge. Still, plenty of you need greater creative justification of that route. And without showing how it can work, it's hard to sign on to that sort of vision. Just as I'm intrigued about Neverar's unknown character vision, but need convincing.
I've liked CWBorne's work too. And the cross-polination is a good point. There are certain story elements of his I independently chose (Obi Wan crashing to Tatooine at the start) and other's I'm tempted to 'adopt.'
See. Here's where I disagree. While I do feel that the reveals of the OT should be preserved, there really isn't a way to make a decent, cohesive story arc that way. I'm in the school of thought that you should assume everybody watching already knows the reveals. I think that when thinking about story for the prequels, it should have reveals of it's own, so that whether you watch it 456123, or 123456, you still get some powerful reveals. I want to work from a premise of what the PT would have looked like if made late-eighties, early-nineties; as opposed to late-nineties, early two-thousands. Personally, I've always felt the story should be more about Obi-Wan's failure as a mentor, not Anakin's failure as a jedi. 1-3 should be about Obi-Wan, 4-6 should be about Luke, and the underlying story that ties them together should be about Anakin/Vader's redemption.
I think it's more about compromises than trying to please everybody. Have everyone involved come up with ideas to fit into a vague storyline to be concieved together and vote as a group on the best and worst ideas. Maybe have a number of people each get a crack at writing their own draft based on a preliminary rough draft. Honestly I feel agreeing on the screenplay would be the hardest part of the process if this were to actually be done.
No, the faces set is the same as the definitive edition discs. Nothing to do with the scans for the SE.
And Darth Lucas, the faces set, and all laserdiscs as far as I know have the Ep IV ANH crawl, not the 1976/1977 crawl.
That's what I said. The 2006 DVD was suggested, and I was saying that I think that version just said Star Wars, and that I was looking for the crawl to say A New Hope. Most people use the theatrical crawl in their preservations.
Thank you, Echo3. Don't know how I missed this.
The 2006 dvd has a lot of issues not present on the faces laserdisc. Audio as mentioned above being a big component. Also, I'm pretty sure that Star Wars had the original crawl spliced onto it so it doesn't say A New Hope, which is great, but I already have theatrical preservations. Also the Lucas interviews that played at the beginning (or was it the end?) of the vhs tapes would be nice too. Although, I suppose if I really wanted to, the crawl and interviews could be easily edited into the GOUT if I wanted, it just seems a little counterintuitive to me to recreate something when the actual product isn't particularly difficult to get ahold of. I was just wondering if anyone knew if somebody had already made a preservation. If all else fails I'll save up for the equipment and do it myself. I just didn't want to do that and then find out somebody already did, ya know? Better safe than sorry.
Well I think most of us would agree the prequels never had to exist. This would just be about telling the story in an interesting way that provides an alternate (aka better) take for those who despise the actual prequels. Basically, get a fan re-writer, a fan filmmaker, and a faneditor together, have them discuss what the story should be, get a plot outlined, have the writer do a rough draft, have the other guys make notes, repeat till happy with the story, filmmaker shoots it (with others present), editor does a 1st edit, shows others, make notes, repeat till happy. It would be nice for them to have different views as to what the prequels should be so that there is some variety and it doesn't repeat the main problem the prequels had, which is that Lucas did the whole thing in isolation. Nobody gave him story notes on what didn't work, nobody once said to him "hey, George, this sucks." Part of what made the OT so good is the amount of collaboration between George and other really talented individuals. Obviously nothing is going to satisfy everybody and the prequels don't HAVE to exist either way, but it would be nice to have a version that doesn't suck nonetheless.
The "faces" set. Not anything special done to it, just the straight rip. This is the version I had as a kid so, while other's have a lot of nostalgia attached to the theatrical version, my nostalgia is attached to that version. I would do it myself, but all I have are the beat up vhs copies and don't have the equipment for a laserdisc transfer even if I had them. I've looked around but haven't been able to find anything. Anyone know of any preservs?
I was only seven at the time, so most of the changes that weren't in your face (i.e. cgi dinosaur asses blocking the screen) I didn't really notice. But I do remember that particular scene seeming a little off to me, though I couldn't place what was different. I didn't really care at the time due to me being seven though.
It's been suggested on this site before, but I'm bringing it up again. I think we should get a group of OT-ers together and write, produce, and edit our own versions of the prequel trilogy movies. I think with the rise of sites like Kickstarter, we wouid have no problem getting funds. This site alone is filled with people who would want this to happen and back the project. There are enough talented people here that I'm positive we could come up with a much better story than what we got that is of pretty good quality. What do you guys think? Possible? Probable?
Ah. Thanks for the clarification. You see, I'm a child of the nineties. I grew up with VHS and didn't even know what a laserdisc was until high school, so I basically figured that since they were so much more popular than laserdiscs, they must've been similar quality. Apparently not. :P
I was holding out for "Blue Puggo" or "Puggo Harvest", but those would fly over the heads of the younger crowd. ;)
I'm pretty sure that, regardless of age, if you don't understand that reference, you really shouldn't be allowed on this site.
I've seen people use the 1995 thx laserdiscs for preservations, but what about the vhs tapes? I'm aware of how vhs tapes wear with use, but say you had an unopened, unplayed copy. Would a transfer be of use for preservation? I just so rarely see anyone using any vhs copies for preservations and I'm not really sure what makes it less useful than a laserdisc.
So far pretty good, I've always maintained the 2004 DVDs wouldn't be so bad to watch if the color correction wasn't so god awful.
Ok, so here's what I'm thinking. Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars, Adywan's Theatrical Empire Strikes Back, and Dark_Jedi/You_Too's Return of the Jedi.
What do you all think of Moth3r's Pwnage edition? I did a little further research and looking at comparisons between the two, Moth3r's seems to have nearly identical colors to Dark_Jedi's but a crisper image. Then again sometimes stills like this don't do justice.
Thank you all for the opinions. I'm going to check out Dark Jedi & You_Too's v3. Seems to be what I'm looking for as the main problem I have with Harmy's Despecialized Editions is color correction.
Something I've been thinking about for a while, and it's actually been suggested on this site once or twice before. I really think a small band of OT members needs to get together, and write, produce, and edit our own version of the prequels. Given the popularity of Kickstarter I don't think raising funds would be a problem, and given what I've seen on just this thread alone shows that we are more than capable of coming up with a much, much better story than what Lucas crapped out.
How important is "HD" to you?
Not important at all. In fact most of my dvds are SD and look fine on my hdtv imo. I mean, obviously I want it to look good. I could always hook up my old vcr and show her my old '95 vhs tapes if I didn't care at all, but it doesn't have to be HD, just at least as presentable as a standard definition dvd.