Vader: Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Vader: No, I am your father.
Luke: That's not true. That's impossible!
Vader: Totes ma gotes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRibRj770J8
Certainly some great ideas. I will definitely be going with some of them. I'll post a revised version of the SW-Empire transition when I can. That particular proposed shot might be kind of difficult for me considering my inexperience with after effects. I'm kind of learning as I go with this project. Seems like an awful lot of rotoscoping, but I will definitely take a crack at it.
Here it is, a little later than I'd hoped, but here nonetheless. The transition between Star Wars and Empire.
https://vimeo.com/83473441
password: ot
emanswfan said:
Darth Lucas said:
.....Is this still happening?
Still very much is,
This is very good. =)
RoccondilRinon said:
I'll be very interested to see this. Question: which version of the films will you be using as a basis? It could be very cool to stick entirely to the original versions (rather than SE or Revisited) and make the thing look like it could have been made in the '70s.
Also, a film as long as this one is going to be deserves an intermission, like an olde-stylee epic. Thoughts on where this might go?
I will be using Harmy's Despecialized Editions as my basis. This way I can keep a constant quality of image as well as a higher quality image than an upscaled GOUT. It was never even a possibility in my mind for me to use any post-'97 version. I too like the idea that this film could have been made in the 70's or 80's.
No intermission, sorry. That just doesn't fit with what I'm trying to accomplish.
I'm pretty happy with the transition between SW and Empire. I've got it to a point where it's actually pretty smooth. I'll try and get a clip up on vimeo for you guys tomorrow if I can.
@DominicCobb - The problem I've been having with that is Luke is wearing different outfits in each of those scenes.
The solution I am playing around with right now: Luke's initial plan is to meet up with the rebels. He gets in his x wing. R2 beeps. "No, I'd like to keep it on manual control for a while." Later, we cut to him crash landing on Dagobah. As he get's out of his x wing and looks around we hear Obi-Wan, "Luke. The Dagobah System. Here you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me."
Yeah, my initial thought was to just have Ben's voice tell him while in the cockpit of the X-Wing. I was just hoping maybe somebody could come up with something that doesn't feel quite as forced (no pun intended). I think that may be the route I go, unfortunately. =T Oh well, thank you for the help guys.
I have run into another problem and I'm not sure how I'm going to get around it. The whole bit with Luke and the wampa is completely gone. We now jump straight from arriving at the base almost directly into the battle of Hoth. This poses a problem that I feel really dumb having not foreseen. Luke not being attacked by the wampa means that we lose the scene where Ben's spirit tells him to go to the Dagobah system. I cannot for the life of me think of another place to put this scene that would make any sort of sense. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Btw I am hoping to get a clip for you guys of the transition between SW and Empire. I should have that up sometime in the next few days to please your peepers.
Now that you point out those possibilities and after working a bit with the footage, I do believe you are right. It may very well be that I will cut out Tarkin completely, or rather just as much as possible.
I won't cut out the the tracking beacon simply because it's a much easier way of showing how the empire finds the base, keeping it simple will help cut down the runtime. However, I do like the idea of introducing Boba Fett earlier in the film and I'll try and see if I can work him in some other way. Also, on the point of Boba Fett, I will try and make his death in ROTJ a little less ridiculous. I haven't given it too much thought, but I was thinking of possibly having the blaster shot that Luke deflects hit him, and that's what activates the jet pack and sends him over, or if I can find a way, I would love for Han to be the one to kill him, just in a less stupid way. I'll let you know when I figure out what to do with that particular scene.
I am still planning on Luke having two trips to Dagobah as I feel Yoda's death is a real important factor in the story and can't find a good way of putting it in before Luke leaves for Bespin because I want to keep it so that Luke disobeys Yoda's advice in Empire.
The Battle of Yavin will not occur in this film. There will only ever be one death star in this. It will be destroyed at the end of the film by Lando and the rebellion. If you missed it, this was explained in the first post of this thread. =) Thanks for the interest.
The problem I'm having with eliminating Tarkin completely is that my main idea to link the first 2 movies together is that the tracking of the Millennium Falcon is what leads them to Hoth and, subsequently, the battle of Hoth. I can't find a way to make this idea understood without Tarkin's line "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work." There isn't any other similar line in that film or Empire that would explain how they knew where the base was and it just doesn't seem plausible to me that they just followed them there. Don't worry I am planning on cutting as much of Tarkin's superiority to Vader as I can. I like the idea of adding him into Empire as a hologram or some other message. I will look into that and see if there's a place in the film I can do it and if it's even something a novice in after effects like myself can pull off.
Onto the progress of the edit. I have completed all the shots I need to show the millennium falcon landing on Hoth. All I've done is take the shots of them landing on Yavin and used custom mattes to cover up the forest with a snow landscape. I think this will work fairly successfully. I've roughed out the transitions between SW and Empire and it seems like it will work fairly well. The only thing that's a little jarring is how different Luke looks between the films, but of course there's no way to really explain this without the scene with the wampa, which will, of course, be gone in this edit.
I've also been thinking of something else I'd like opinions on. Would there be any interest in an extended edition of this in addition to the normal edit? What I mean is a version (that would be released after the original edit) that JUST links the films together without cutting them down for run-time. There would be no edits apart from what is necessary to merge the narratives. What do you guys think? Any interest?
So I've officially started this today and I've noticed one glaring problem. (not really a problem, just a small issue. One of many to come I'm sure.) I will have to cut Grand Moff Tarkin's role WAYYY down so that his absence for the the entire second act (Empire Strikes Back) isn't a really obvious thing that distracts from the story. I will be adding him into the third act (Return of the Jedi) during the attack on the death star just so that his character has some kind of payoff (using his scenes from the attack on the death star from Star Wars), but he will have to be cut down considerably so that he is little more than another member of the empire, hardly any more memorable than Admiral Piett.
.....Is this still happening?
Yes, Lando/The Rebellion in general destroys the Death Star. It's more of a victory for the alliance as a whole, rather than a personal victory for Luke. The climax of Luke's story is the duel with Vader ending in a personal victory as he succeeds in redeeming his father.
This is an edit I will be starting in the New Year. =) It is something that I am sure has to have been done before, but I can’t seem to find a reference to any particular edit. Either way, I’m sure my way of going about it will be at least partially different from any other edit. Most of you know that the Star Wars trilogy was originally planned as one movie (allegedly), so I, intrigued by “what if” scenarios, decided to edit the trilogy into one continuous narrative. It will begin more or less the same as Star Wars, but will move into Empire after our heroes escape the death star. The rebel base will now have been on Hoth from the beginning, and the Empire finds the base by tracking the Millennium Falcon. This leads into the battle of Hoth and the bulk of TESB and then ROTJ. There shouldn’t need to be much of any fancy editing to transition between ESB and ROTJ as it already has a fairly continuous narrative. Now, the death star will no longer be destroyed in Star Wars, but will carry on existence throughout the film, only to be destroyed at the end of ROTJ. This idea will be accomplished by eliminating the second death star storyline in Jedi as well as replacing some shots of the second death star with custom shots of the original death star done in after effects. The plan is for the edit to be somewhere between 2 hours and 2 1/2 hours in length.
You see, I didn't mind the excessive throwbacks to Wrath of Khan in STID. When you think about it, it was a very logical way of doing things. It's not like Khan wouldn't exist and try essentially the same thing just because the timeline shifted. He would still exist (apparently as a white guy? but i forgive that because Cumberbatch was fantastic) and still want the same things, therefore a very similar story would unfold, only things would be slightly different because of the alternate timeline. It made for an interesting movie at the very least. But, either way, you can't look at Star Trek as an example of what JJ will do with Star Wars story-wise because there were different writers working on them. You also can't look at it for what he'll do with it as far as visuals because JJ seems to put a different look to each project he does. He gets a lot of crap for his lens flares, but that's something he did specifically for the stylistic look of Star Trek. The only thing you can look to ST for as an example of what to expect from SW is directing style, and JJ has proven himself an exciting, fast paced director who knows how to get a great performance out of his actors. Is there really anything more we want out of SW than that after the boring, lackluster, terribly acted prequels?
I don't get the hate for Abrams. So far he's proven to be a fantastic director. The hate toward his Star Trek films are mostly do to them being not exactly true to the spirit of Star Trek (and lens flares, but I seriously doubt he'll do that for SW), but that's because he isn't a Star Trek fan, whereas he is a HUGE Star Wars fan. And really, if you look at the plot of Star Trek (2009) and the overall styling of the film, its basically Star Wars set in the Star Trek universe, with Kirk playing the same sort of role as Luke, Pike as Ben, Spock as Han, Uhura as Leia, and Scotty and the little alien dude (don't know his name, sorry) as C-3PO and R2D2. He knows what he's doing guys. Plus Kasdan is writing, so we have an amazing writer, a really good director, most of the principle cast assumed to return, and John Williams returning to do the music. I think it's safe to say our beloved franchise is in good hands.
This is great. This is the one I grew up watching so there's a lot of nostalgia here for me. Looking forward to it. =)
Jake Lloyd's face should be in the mask. As he is decapitated "Yippee!"
emanswfan said:
Here's that Obi-Wan technicolor shot in motion (full scene w/out audio):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15Oa6V6CCI
Youtube Description:
"Here's another technicolor sequence from my preservation projects, still making tweaks to the skintones, saturation levels of certain colors, the overblown highlights (the occasional source issue), and trying to correct some of the flicker from the film grain scan I use."
This reminds me a lot of the convo between Han and Leia in cloud city now.
Still loving this 100%. Any chance of getting some clips with audio? Pretty please with a cherry on top?
TV's Frink said:
Yeah, but who's gonna make it, you kid?
You bet I could! I'm not such a bad rotoscoper myself! (actually I'm terrible I leave this in your capable hands.)
Bingowings said:
All Banthas replaced with Snuffaluffagus.
In the famous words of Anakin Skywalker: "Yippee!"
