The discussions are proving very educational. When I get the chance I'll see about these solutions and run some tests.
For those of you also looking into this, please let me know how your tests work out. Thank you all.
So, upon finally getting my computer fixed and running some tests on this, I come to find that my software of choice (Adobe encore) offers branching, but not seamless branching.
Does anyone know of any (preferably Mac compatible) applications for BD authoring which offers this function?
He comes in the room shouting "I'm not addicted! I'm a recreation rotoscoper!"
My point was only that I thought it was his hand for the longest time and never had any reason to doubt it was until now. Didn't mean to start any debate on the subjective matter of how interesting or plausible it was.
I'm imagining some OT.com group intervention for Ady. A bunch of concerned nerds. "Ady, you have a problem"
"No I Don't! I can stop whenever I want"
Meanwhile Frink and stinkydinkins are chowing down in the corner, having only come for the free food.
Visually, and imagination-wise, I don't see how a severed hand clutching a lost weapon is not more interesting than simply falling debris.
You know I always thought it was his hand and never had reason to doubt it. A broken piece of the weathervane is so much less interesting :/
Unfortunately I'm afraid that may be the only way to "fix" them. Gut them down to the bare essentials and then build it up again.
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To be fair, JJ is the director, not the colorist. While most directors like to have a say in the color correction, we shouldn't assume that he's invoover in that aspect of the film.
Eh. Regardless of if we want it to happen, it's happening. Better to hope it's good than hopelessly wish it doesn't happen. That being said, who would you have play Solo?
ray_afraid said:
I've not watched the show, but I've seen enough pics to know that if they were trying to make the sabers look like they did in SW, they failed.
They're obviously based on the McQuarrie paintings. And that's pretty cool.
in the video he was referring to, they were trying to mimicking the look of the way the light sabers flickered in the original, not the overall shape of the sabers themselves.
If I may ask a question that could possibly have been answered already:
Are your scans being captured with a color profile so that it "looks right" directly off the bat, or are they being captured with a flat color profile (i.e. darks look too bright and brights look too dark)?
Some of the clips you've been posting look abnormally dark, and I'm hoping that's due to a quick and dirty color correction, and that it isn't baked in, because if it was scanned that way, those darks will be really hard to correct, while if it was captured with a flat profile, the contrast can be pushed or pulled back as much as needed without sacrificing information.
Cool. Depending on when your project is released in relation to when I author mine (bonus discs are being authored first and will take a while to gather all the sources in said discs) and if the team has no problem with it, your restoration may be the source for my theatrical SW, or the discs may be re-authored with those versions in the future, however I'm not going to restrict myself to when TN1's restoration job is finished, as it is, after all, a separate project, but like I've said before, as better preservations and restorations come along, it wouldn't be too hard to update the blu-rays (I plan on keeping the project files).
Thank you! First post updated with a bit more bonus material, with more to be added.
I'm playing around with the idea of creating new names for the various special editions, as "special edition v2" and "special edition v3" sound a bit stale. Obviously '97 versions will remain the "special editions", but something new for '04 and '11 would just create a more interesting set I think. The problem of course being that the names would have to sound more upgraded from "special", thus implying that they are somehow better, which of course they are not, but I can't shake the feeling that "v2" and "v3" are boring in the extreme. Any ideas/opinions on this front?
Would there be any interest in a kind of "extended workprint" feature where you can watch the films with deleted scenes (in their rough forms) re-insterted? It would accomplished once again through seamless branching and would only be a kind of special feature, not one of the actual "versions".
I think it might be an interesting alternative to just including deleted scenes as a bonus feature, since most people watch deleted scenes to wonder what it would be like if they were kept in the film.
I've been following DrDre's project and it does look great in terms of detail, however even with his most recent version there is still a ton of work to be done in terms of color and aliasing in order to make it a viable theatrical experience.
If I use a GOUT sourced project, it would most likely be TeamBlu's, as next to the DeSpecialized Editions, I consider them the most watchable restoration efforts that have come out of here. That's totally not a slam at other projects, I'm just saying that those two are the ones I can watch and forget that I'm watching a fan restoration. The experience of watching the films is, to me, just as important if not more important than the accuracy of the restoration. At its heart, that's what this project is. It's creating an experience for the viewer from the minute they pull the blu ray off the shelf.
In my own personal taste, I would rather feel like I'm watching a crisp hd transfer of the original whilst knowing they are flawed reconstructions than feel like I'm watching a -SD laserdisc whilst knowing it is 100% original.
No disrespect intended, I thank you for your input snd help, but for my own personal taste I'll probably be sticking with harmys at least for the time being. TPM is still up in the air.
List updated (see first post)
Aand this is why I stattend this thread. Haha. What I'll probably end up doing is branching between 04 and 11 and keeping 97 separate. Keep suggestions coming guys it is really helpful and beneficial to the final product.
The idea with the branching was to save as much space on the disc as possible since I want all of the special editions on the same disc. if I decide to include all 3 versions, 97, 04, and 11, I can branch between all 3. This is all just planning at this point though. Once I get my harddrive fixed I'll do some tests to see if the space saved is worth the bigger effort. I think most of us would agree that having 04 and 11 color corrected would make them far easier to watch though.
Well actually, since the changes are more important to me than the God-awful colors of 04, the plan is just to color correct those scenes which are different from 97 and then have them play out via a bridging feature. So if you select to watch the 04 version, it will play out the 97 version up until the point where you come to a scene that is different, then it will jump to the 04 version of said scene. Does that make sense? I feel as if I'm not explaining myself well.
You are completely right. Since I'd only really begun work mapping out ANH, ESB and ROTJ I put in pretty much spur of the moment as placeholders and had a complete brain fart in remembering the differences. I feel like a total idiot. It's pretty early here and I'm writing these posts as I get ready for work so please forgive me for such a gross oversight.
I will include either the 2004 or 2011 versions of ESB and Jedi, or both 04 abd 11.
pittrek said:
Why did you decide to use SOME different cuts and not all of them? I mean there are many more versions of each movie
Because most different cuts hafe such small changes in comparison to another cut that I found it really not worth the space on the disc. I wanted to include the different cuts that provided a noticeably different viewing experience. My thinking is this:
for sw: 1977 & 1981 so you have the option of with or without "ANH"
1997&2004 because there are noticeable, big differences between them i.e Jabba.
For ESB and ROTJ I only plan on having 1997 because the differences between those and 2004 are so minuscule.
To answer another question, I suppose I can include the 2011 versions of all the films of there is that much call for them to be included. My thinking was just that most people have these versions on blu Ray already and unlike TPM, the changes for the OT versions are pretty much universally hated.
For SW, ESB, and ROTJ I will probably use Harmy's versions simply due to it being the best theatrical presentation so far just in my opinion (so long as he has no problem with it + he will be credited + hopefully ROTJ 2.0 will be out by the time I get to it) However, I might be open to the idea of redoing the BDs when better new restorations come out of the woodwork. I will probably have to recreate the '81 crawl for SW in After Effects myself based on a laserdisc rip.
For TPM I honestly am not sure yet and I may just have to use an HDTV copy of the DVD version as a "close approximation" to the theatrical version.