Darth Lucas

towne32 said:

Darth Lucas said:

dlvh said:

Darth Lucas said:

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

Do you have a picture of what you are thinking the color would have looked like? Or are my examples of the color several posts ago, fairly accurate?

I’m no expert on the accurate color, but just based on what seems natural and working from the assumption like I said that they probably weren’t trying to do anything unnatural and weird with the color, I’d say your example seems to be pretty damn close.

I agree with you that they probably weren’t trying to do anything incredibly unnatural with the color (overly green, red, etc). But whether or not that means grey walls probably depends on each individual set. In some cases, where the sets were blue or blue/green, surely the grey timing is the unnatural timing?

Oh, absolutely. I’m just saying when you look at certain factors like the color of sets, lighting and the color of certain actors’ hair and skin, you can correct for that, and the colors of other things come out. There are definitely some sets in the Death Star that lean more on the blue side, the green/cyan side, or the grey side. Looking at everything within the scene that you do know the natural color of can give you clues as to the colors of other things.

dlvh said:

Darth Lucas said:

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

Do you have a picture of what you are thinking the color would have looked like? Or are my examples of the color several posts ago, fairly accurate?

I’m no expert on the accurate color, but just based on what seems natural and working from the assumption like I said that they probably weren’t trying to do anything unnatural and weird with the color, I’d say your example seems to be pretty damn close.

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

For those who want it, it shouldn’t be hard to do a simple edit provided the 3D bluray has it uncropped.
For those who don’t, we’ll have the original bluray.

Been dealing with some computer problems. Nothing major, but things have slowed a little as a result. Happy I had enough foresight to back everything up.
Everything should be back on track by the weekend.

The worst blu Ray shots are the ones (such as the binary sunset scene for example) where they boost certain color channels, usually red and/or blue. It makes skin look like a glowing sunburn and R2 look neon. I look forward to seeing what you do with shots like that.

dlvh said:

Darth Lucas said:

Not that it matters, but here’s an adjustment of the Tarkin shot I did in Photoshop. I labor no delusions of this being accurate, but to my flawed eyes, it looks good.

I see no difference, other than a slight decrease in saturation, but then again, I’m older than most of you folks here.

Funny considering this was done entirely with curves adjustments and there is no change in saturation whatsoever.

EDIT: You probably interpret this as a decrease in saturation based on my correcting the shot based on the assumption that the lights are white and the walls are grey. You can see the result of this by the fact there there is now more red and less green in Tarkin’s uniform and face compared to DrDre and Harmy’s corrections.

towne32 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Why would you bother (or not bother, as the case may be) with the digital version of you already have the Blu?

To get the sweet new screwed up fanfare of course.

I’ll play Devil’s advocate and say that there are some pretty good bonus features unique to the digital versions. That being said I don’t see how this would “replace” the digital versions in that case, since it’s not like those bonus features have anything to do with Revisited.

Not that it matters, but here’s an adjustment of the Tarkin shot I did in Photoshop. I labor no delusions of this being accurate, but to my flawed eyes, it looks good.

LOVE that Tarkin shot.

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/why-720p-for-revisited-is-enough/

This is about revisited. But it demonstrates the same thinking behind why DeEd has been 720p so far.

If I understand correctly, from 3.0 onward, Harmy will be doing 1080p

Since there’s likely less rotoscoping of elements going on in 3.0, and I assume involves mostly inserting cleaned up 35mm footage and color correcting, do you think it will be a quicker process than say 2.5? Or do u think cleaning up the 35mm footage will make it take probably just as long?

If Harmy’s getting you the files relatively quickly, I’ll hold off until the next version comes out. Shouldn’t be a big deal to swap out the source file in premiere and re-render.

Any ETA on the new version towne32? I already fixed the speeder shot in my version, but I’m thinking if it might be worth it to wait for the new version for the increased quality.

It’s always seemed greyish tan to me. I don’t know if that’s accurate, but it’s how it seems to me. I think any green comes from lighting and the natural green that sometimes occurs in shadowy areas on film stock.

DrDre said:

The shirts of the soldiers are blue, the pants are grey. This 35 mm frame from -1’s 1997 SE print scan shows the difference (although the colors are not accurate to the print, and the blues are a bit much):

Harmy said:

The shirts of the soldiers are blue, the pants are grey. This 35 mm frame from -1’s 1997 SE print scan shows the difference (although the colors are not accurate to the print, and the blues are a bit much):

Ummm… DrDre are u secretly Harmy’s alter ego or something?

Yeah. It’s s controversial approach, but I tend to go for what feels right, rather than what may be strictly accurate. Probably influenced by the colors in the VHS sets I grew up with.

For instance, even though I’ve personally visited the part of Death Valley that the artoo canyon sequence was shot and I know the rocks aren’t very red, the VHS set I grew up with had the sequence looking pretty red in color, so it just felt right to make the rocks a somewhat dark red color. I have no idea if that’s accurate to the original colors, but it feels right.

I did run into a couple issues in a select few shots with bringing down the green lasers, which was easily fixed by slightly boosting the green. I lucked out with boosting the green slightly not introducing color anomalies like I thought it might.

Darth Lucas said:

towne32 said:

Well, the anomaly is there on the blu-ray. But the curve adjustments do bring it out. It’s probably especially well hidden on the blu-ray because it’s so damn dark. 😃

Either way, nice work Dre.

I’m giving the entire battle of Yavin another pass. Not going to release it as 2.6 related anything, because the goal of that was really not to stray too far from Harmy’s look. But DL’s consistent (though very grey) look is nice, so I’m shooting for something similar just to see how it goes.

Yeah I know it’s a bit grey for some peoples taste. I personally feel that’s how it’s supposed to look though. It just looks right to my eyes. Probably not perfectly accurate, but it just feels right you know? I left a subtle cyan in the shadows but more of the natural blueish cyan you would expect from photographing a mostly grey model against blue screen. Like I said before I used some of the videos from mike verta as reference for certain shots and then corrected the rest to match.

I made sure to keep the skin tones and the Reds of the x wings mostly untouched though.

(Whoops. That was supposed to be an edit of the post, but I hit quote by mistake.)

towne32 said:

Well, the anomaly is there on the blu-ray. But the curve adjustments do bring it out. It’s probably especially well hidden on the blu-ray because it’s so damn dark. 😃

Either way, nice work Dre.

I’m giving the entire battle of Yavin another pass. Not going to release it as 2.6 related anything, because the goal of that was really not to stray too far from Harmy’s look. But DL’s consistent (though very grey) look is nice, so I’m shooting for something similar just to see how it goes.

Yeah I know it’s a bit grey for some peoples taste. I personally feel that’s how it’s supposed to look though. It just looks right to my eyes. Probably not perfectly accurate, but it just feels right you know? I left a subtle cyan in the shadows but more of the natural blueish cyan you would expect from photographing a mostly grey model against blue screen. Like I said before I used some of the videos from mike verta as reference for certain shots and then corrected the rest to match.

TheHutt said:

marvins said:

Another great job !
The french release will too be release… one day…

Looking forward to it. La Guerre des Étoiles… 😃

PS: interestingly, both the German and the French titles put the “Wars” from “Star Wars” into singular form (Krieg/Guerre), and the “Star” into plural (Sterne/Étoiles). 😃

I think it’s just because it translated better. “Star Wars” while it does translate directly, doesn’t grammatically make as much sense (at least in French. I don’t know much German) as “the war of stars”

I actually introduced my 60 something year old high school French teacher who I still keep in contact with to Star Wars using the despecialized edition 2.5 with project threepio French subtitles. Somehow she had never seen Star Wars. Probably because she’s an old French woman who is interested in like historical dramas and such. But she ended up really enjoying it. She instantly got the connection between the empire and the nazis. She more than once referred to Tarkin as “space hitler”.

So I’ve put off doing my final render to do one more pass of a look through for the color. Most of the corrected shots I am very happy with. The only sequence which has been causing me alot of trouble pretty much since color correction began is Mos Eisley. Originally I chose my color corrected version of this sequence over towne32’s. It was a close call but it came down to me liking the sky and skin tones slightly better in my version. I’ve since changed my tune. I feel there is quite a but too much red in towne32’s version (which I tried to get rid of/minimize but couldn’t manage to without introducing distracting color anomalies), but nonetheless I like the overall quality of 2.6 better, with the exception of one shot, which I’ll get to in a sec. And the slightly too red image of 2.6 is far less distracting to me than the too yellow 2.5. In context, your brain adjusts to it and it doesn’t look weird.
Therefore, I have reverted the mos eisley sequence to just the standard 2.6. Only two shots are different:

1. the shot just after the first shot of the speeder entering mos eisley because it had too much majenta and stood out slightly from the surrounding shots. Slightly color corrected, but still 2.6
2. the infamous panning shot of the speeder moving from left to right across frame just after the “these aren’t the droids you’re looking for” scene. I’m not sure if towne32 used a different source for this shot? but the detail in 2.6 of this particular shot looks slightly lower than in 2.5, plus 2.6 is zoomed in a fair bit, so I used my color corrected shot from 2.5, slightly adjusted to better fit the surrounding 2.6 shots.

R2 canyon shots have been fixed and look alot better now.

Final render of 81 version has started and should be done tonight. Final render of 77 version should be finished tomorrow.

DrDre said:

Darth Lucas said:

I personally just hope you make his hair bright yellow like the old Kenner toys.

How about this?

Perfection.

I personally just hope you make his hair bright yellow like the old Kenner toys.

That’s in 2.6. I tried minimizing it but I couldn’t find a way to without making the image practically monochrome.

towne32 said:

http://i.imgur.com/bczf7wR.png Something is wrong here. The black bars are red and so are the shadows.

http://i.imgur.com/AnKI3QF.png nice!

The battle of Yavin looks really nice and consistent. Did you use my version as a basis for the whole film from that point on?

I actually already corrected that x wing shot. I think I accidentally flubbed with the settings before exporting and that’s why its all red. Its been fixed and I’ll post a screenshot when the new version is rendered.

Yes the battle of Yavin was sourced entirely from your version.