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Darth Caliban

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#1499139
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Anyone else prefering the way buildings on Tatooine looked like, before the SE and the Prequels?
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Servii said:

MinchD36 said:

I prefer Tatooine to be a random planet than being the place where Darth Vader was born

I mean, it was already implied in ANH that Luke’s father and Owen were from there.

Yep. By the way, when the first serious news of George wanting to do the prequels arised in 1994, one of my first memories of imagining what would be in Episode I is seeing an adult Anakin sitting together with his longtime friend Obi-Wan as well as Owen and Beru in the homestead, talking about the Clone Wars and the state of the Galaxy.

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#1496474
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Anyone else prefering the way buildings on Tatooine looked like, before the SE and the Prequels?
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The original version of Mos Eisley:

https://i.imgur.com/tqTJRjV.jpg

The special edition changed the architecture of most of the buildings and introduced new buildings not in line with the OOT Tatooine style:

https://cantinacustoms.tripod.com/164f4000.jpg

https://cantinacustoms.tripod.com/163f4000.jpg

https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress...&fit=crop&w=450&h=225&dpr=1.5

Many of the buildings in Mos Eisley were originally smaller and looked to be more functional and unadorned.

Some of them also were kind of different in their shape. A few of them became more elongated and/or had ornaments that weren’t there before.

As i said before, i prefer the more minimalistic buildings of the OOT.

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#1496350
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Do these missing scenes actually exist?
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Bobson Dugnutt said:

Darth Caliban said:

By the way, to come back to the speculated about additional AT-AT scene, is it known if a set for the compartment for the stormtroopers inside the walker was ever built for ESB?

Can’t remember ever reading anything about it, but if they built it, i’d guess they would have used it at least for some test sequences.

I have no idea what scene you’re talking about, so I’m gonna say no to all that.

The article i mentioned in my first post, pretended that a scene would exist with Luke opening up an AT-AT from below with his lightsaber, similar to the existing scene in ESB where Luke uses this trick to bring explosives inside the walker to stop it with the detonation, enters it to fight with the stormtroopers inside.

Could imagine that during the production someone may have had this idea and shoot some test scenes for this, before abandoning the concept.

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#1496256
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Anyone else prefering the way buildings on Tatooine looked like, before the SE and the Prequels?
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Servii said:

I definitely do. Old Tatooine felt more desolate and mysterious. It felt like a place in a Spaghetti Western crossed with Arrakis. The Mandalorian sort of got that vibe back, but not quite. Prequel Tatooine didn’t really have that quality as much. There was the homage to The Searchers in AotC, but the planet in general was made much more bustling and lively.

I hadn’t really thought much about the difference in architecture, to he honest. I always noticed more how the general atmosphere was different.

Yeah, that exactly how i see it too. Especially Mos Pelgo was portrayed relatively similar to the OOT version of Anchorhead and Mos Eisley. Although, as you said, not quite there.

If you compare the footage of Mos Eisley in the OOT to that of the SE, you can see that the buildings became bigger and there were also changes in their architectal style.

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#1496251
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Grogu is the chosen one, not Anakin...
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Emre1601 said:

This is not so far from making Rey or Leia the chosen one, instead of it being Anakin, so why not?

Though I preferred it when there was no chosen one. A more civilized time!

That’s true. I feel the same way. The concept of a Chosen One was another bad idea George came up with imho.

My post about Grogu wasn’t meant to be taken seriously. Was just meant as a joke.

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#1496250
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What about reusing McQuarrie's artworks for Had Abbadon (Coruscant) for an ancient Sith World in a future show or movie?
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Emre1601 said:

The link does not work for me, but as Star Wars has a habit of reusing old and unseen stuff we could see something like it in The Acolyte or a future series where Sith or dark force users have a base?

It is always nice too see more Ralph McQuarrie art used on screen, or stuff inspired by him and his drawings.

Yeah, absolutely!

Think that especially these matte paintings would work great for an ancient (and possibly abandoned) Sith planet:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGGgeUcYpOchZu-t_GbRep3n6Eb6dYTwgKoMkcfRtBqu1Br95G&s

https://i.imgur.com/ECIYE9R_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://i.imgur.com/fWDYFWl_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

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#1495806
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Grogu is the chosen one, not Anakin...
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The prophecy was made by a member of Yoda’s species 25.000 years ago and disappeared around 3000 BBY until 1000 BBY. Language changed a lot over all these millennia.

When it was found again by jedi historians they mistranslated the term @€4# into “Sith”, while it originally meant “Frog”.

So balance of the force was never meant to be reached by destroying the Sith but by eradicating all the frogs in the galaxy.

On Ossus, Luke intuitively felt the truth about the prophecy. That’s why he levitated all the frogs around Grogu and said he would become an important Jedi if he stayed.

Anakin Skywalker was able to become a force ghost not for destroying the Sith or saving Luke but because he showed mercy to Grogu and saved him during the attack on the Jedi Temple.

But one important Sith plays a role in the prophecy, Darth Plagueis aka the Frog Lady, who becomes the main antagonist of Mandalorian Season 3 and possibly all the future seasons. Her eggs contain the secret of eternal life.

So Din needs to bring Grogu to all the planets of the galaxy and let him eat all the frogs in the GFFA to bring balance to the force 😉

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#1495276
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What about reusing McQuarrie's artworks for Had Abbadon (Coruscant) for an ancient Sith World in a future show or movie?
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Always liked this version far more than the sterile Coruscant of the Prequels. Had Abbadon looked way more ancient, creepy and ominous, almost like something out of a nightmare, in Ralph McQuarrie’s art.

https://deadlystream.com/blogs...envisioned-by-ralph-mcquarrie/

What about using this version for an ancient sith planet in a future show or movie?

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#1495109
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Do these missing scenes actually exist?
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Bobson Dugnutt said:

Darth Caliban said:

So basically no additional story elements, dialogues or anything with alternative worldbuilding information like Han with the girl (Jenny?) in the cantina during the rough cut for ANH?

There are probably some alternate line deliveries, or different pieces of dialogue that suggest other things. Han saying “That bounty hunter we ran into on Ord Mantell changed my mind” was cut, which implies another adventure they had before ESB, for example.
It is likely however, that we generally know about just about everything that was cut, and that there aren’t any big subplots, sequences or scenes that have been cut out or kept under wraps.
People will debate forever still though that Luke missed the first time during their chasm swing, or Leia spat on Tarkin, or Vader’s TIE exploded, or the Biggs scenes were in there from the start. It’s fun to think about, but it’ll never be proven in anyway.

“I love rumors! Facts can be so misleading, but rumors, true or false, are often revealing.” - Hans Landa

By the way, to come back to the speculated about additional AT-AT scene, is it known if a set for the compartment for the stormtroopers inside the walker was ever built for ESB?

Can’t remember ever reading anything about it, but if they built it, i’d guess they would have used it at least for some test sequences.

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#1494937
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Do these missing scenes actually exist?
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Bobson Dugnutt said:

As someone who loves deleted scenes, and specifically Star Wars deleted scenes, there is no deleted wedding scene.

I’ve read several drafts of ROTJ, story treatments and development notes, and books upon books of making-of material. I’ve looked at call sheets, photos, raw footage, dallies, pre-vis, concept art, animatics and anything and everything related to deleted scenes.
I can safely say there was never any wedding scene shot or shown anywhere in the world on any international TV station, or early showing, or uncle’s VHS tape, or George’s garage.
Potentially this was some idea that was floated in early production, or during the late 70s with George planning out his larger 9-15 film saga, but there is no evidence to support this.
Most drafts end on Endor/Had Abbadon, celebrating the Empire’s defeat, with no reference to Han/Leia planning to get hitched.

There wasn’t even a wedding mentioned until 93 with the Prophets of the Dark Side novel. The new canon now says they snuck away on Endor to get married, but that wasn’t until 2017, in Aftermath: Life Debt.

Basically, there is no wedding scene that was scripted, storyboarded or shot in any shape or form.

These things fascinate me too.

Do you think it’s possible that Lucas, Kershner or Marquand shot scenes that are possibly still unknown by now and not to be found in any of the drafts and that we never ever heard of?

And that were possibly never were used for adaptions like the novelizations or comics or mentioned anywhere.

Is such a thing really possible, considering all the things we know by now about the making of the OT?

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#1494746
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Do these missing scenes actually exist?
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Bobson Dugnutt said:

I’m gonna definitely say no to both claims here. This is the first I’m hearing of it and there has never been any mention of any scene in anything I’ve ever read, watched or listened to.

Found another interesting comment about Han and Leias wedding on a german site about cutscenes:

"Auch von mir ein Großes Danke Schön für die SB´s der Ur-Trilogie.
Ich habe aber auch noch eine Frage zu den Deleted Scenes, könnte es sein das man eine Scene vieleicht vergessen hat?
Vor Jahren habe ich mal in Holländischen Fernsehen,in einer Kinosendung (die damals auch das andere Ende von little shop of horror von 86 gesendet hatten) ein kleines Stück von der Hochzeit zwischen Leia & Han gesehen.
Dies ist mir bis heute im Kopf hängen geblieben und aus dem Grund nun meine Frage ob der Verfasser des SB´s nun vielleicht auch hierzu noch Licht ins Dunkel bringen Kann?

Danke und auch von mir:Möge die Macht mit Euch sein!!!

Gruß euer charmingbaer"

"Also from me a big thank you for the SB’s of the original trilogy. But I also have a question about the deleted scenes, could it be that a scene has been forgotten? Years ago I saw a little piece of the wedding between Leia & Han on Dutch TV, in a cinema show (which at the time also aired the other end of little shop of horror from 86). This has stuck in my head to this day and for this reason I now ask whether the author of the SB can perhaps shed some light on this as well?

Thank you and also from me: May the force be with you!!! Greetings from charmingbaer"

https://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=17858

It’s also strange that apparently no one either asked Rinzler or Hidalgo about these rumors and/or noone from Lucasfilm so far denied that these scenes at least may have existed.

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#1494547
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my memory isn't that bad, is it? (in SW '77 - Luke misses with the grappling hook?)
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By the way, i also wonder why the cut Wampa sub plot for ESB never appeared in Donald Glut’s novelization, while it was part of the Marvel adaption.

Especially because it was written before the production of the movie was in its later stages and even described Yoda’s body differently as being blue for example.

Is it even if only theoretically possible that footage for the OT exists or existed that didn’t was ever revealed or used anywhere?

Not even in the the earlier drafts?

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#1494380
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Do these missing scenes actually exist?
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I read the following article many years ago, there are some interesting mentions about an early trailer for ROTJ:

http://webspace.webring.com/people/au/um_7143/lost_sw.txt

Quote: “There is at least one more “early ROTJ” trailer then what was included on [Definitive Collection] discs, one shown during a re-release of “Star Wars” between the release of “TESB” and “ROTJ.” It featured a glowing chain around Vader’s neck (possibly just highly reflective) and had Vader and Luke within some kind of ancient Greek-like structure. [I saw it] as part of a tape with various “SW” related items on it. Until then all I had was a [memory of seeing it] with my parents just before a re-release of “SW” (I wish I could remember the date, or for that matter the year). It’s one of the few memories I have of seeing “Star Wars” in theaters that hasn’t been corrupted by time on the Internet (i.e., “Hey, I think I remember that scene too…” variety) It must have been pretty darn rare, as I have yet to see anyone else mention it.”

Also remember reading an article either in 1993 or 1994, in a german scifi, horror and fantasy movie magazine named Moviestar that there is a cut scene in ESB with Luke fighting inside an AT-AT during the battle of Hoth and that footage about Leia and Han’s wedding was filmed for ROTJ.

Wonder if there is actually some truth about these claims and if these things may actually lay still undiscovered in the archives of Lucasfilm.

Maybe like it was the case with the rough cut for Star Wars…

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#1486468
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Why was Luke so impressed when he saw Mos Eisley for the first time? Anchorhead doesn't seem to be much smaller...
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Tobar said:

Anchorhead looks impressive at first glance in that still but if you take a close look it also captures the full length of it. It’s still a small town compared to Mos Eisley which houses at minimum 94 large docking bays. In the old EU Mos Eisley had 362 such docking bays and it’s probably the same in the new canon. That’s a much larger scale than any depiction of Anchorhead could support.

Good point. The issue of the docking bays reminded me strongly on the technical manual for Tatooine. One of my favorite star wars books as a teen.

By the way it’s actually quite funny that Mos Eisley, as it appeared in the OOT, before the special edition changes, looked to be either to have the same size as the version of Anchorhead from Kenobi or was even smaller.

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#1486447
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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idir_hh said:

The giant fish in the middle of the desert makes 0 sense to me. If this is a supposed remnant of ancient Tatooine’s oceans it’s absurd that it would remain intact as a skeleton , let alone fresh meat!

Looked like a Thranta. According to Legends, they seem to be living on Alderaan and Bespin.

Wonder how this specimen ended up on Tatooine…