Darth Bizarro

twooffour said:

Darth Bizarro said:

because they are still Star Wars films.

Unless you have other reasons to like them (as I do) apart from their brand association to a good movie series, I'm making use of my right to call your judgment incorrect and fallacious. Thanks.

Sorry, but the backlash that would inevitably follow my list of reasons isn't worth it.  So you may continue to think whatever you wish.  

xhonzi said:

 

Darth Bizarro said:

xhonzi said: 

Darth Bizarro said:

We read the Jedi Prince series when we were kids and I guess we just never quite fully recovered.

You're saying Jedi Prince made you daffy and unable to judge correctly?

 

You know, I don't take issue with skyjedi or Puggo coming over here and sharing their distaste for the prequels because all they are doing is sharing their opinions of the movies.  I don't hear either of them calling our opinions wrong though.

Sorry, I thought I was riffing off of your comment about the Jedi Prince series. Perhaps I mistook your meaning. What did you mean by bringing up Jedi Prince?

Darth Bizarro said:
I think you're just bitter because we are able to enjoy them and therefore have 6 movies to watch instead of only 3.

I don't think so. If I'm "bitter" (though that's not quite the word for it) it's that I don't want the PT in my OT, and as has been put better recently by some others here, that's getting increasingly hard. I didn't come to OT.com because it was a "bashers" sanctuary so much as it was an "ignorers" sanctuary. Yet, as time goes on, anything Star Wars is increasingly becoming saga focused (with a heavy PT/TCW bias) and likewise OT.com (the membership, anyhow) is progressively becoming "saga" minded. That is to say, that the members here are less "ignory" than it used to be and I find that I don't enjoy coming here as much as I did 5 years ago. Even this sanctuary moon site has fallen to the PT machine.

And I find that very sad and frustrating.

Also- RE: the 3 vs 6 deal. I guess maybe you're right. I really wanted to like the PT and assumed I would... Right up until the fall of 1998 when the flags started to go up. But a couple years back, I basically liked 0 SW movies. The PT had tainted so much of my once and former passion for SW... I had to take a hardline "ignore" stance just to get back to liking the 3 of them again. I'm somewhat envious of anyone who like's all 6... but I also think there's something wrong with you.

 

I'm sorry but I didn't take too kindly to being told that I'm unable to judge correctly because I like the prequels.  I don't think it's anybody's right to say who's judgement is correct but you may have just been being sarcastic and if that's the case than I misread your sarcasm and may have over reacted.  If so then I apologize.  My Jedi Prince comment was intended as a sarcastic response to your initial comment because I really didn't want this thread to turn into a argument about the prequels.

I do share may of the same criticisms about the prequels that other people here have.  The difference is that I'm able to overlook these negatives and find something to enjoy about them still simply because they are still Star Wars films.

But I really don't think you have much to worry about as far as OT.com becoming more Saga oriented.  We're still pretty much a minority here.  But we still share the same passions for the classic films and their preservations that you guys do, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

xhonzi said:

 

Darth Bizarro said:

theprequelsrule said:

These films are unsalvagable. They have no narrative drive, no sympathetic characters, atrocious to mediocore acting, wooden dialogue, inauthentic (and increasingly obsolete) special effects,  and no apparent character motivation for actions (characters do things because it is written in the script).

Only the soundtracks are in the same league, although still not as good as, those of the OT.

There were only two scenes in the entire PT that I found entertaining; both of the lightsaber duels from TPM.

How anyone can like these movies is beyond me.

We read the Jedi Prince series when we were kids and I guess we just never quite fully recovered.

You're saying Jedi Prince made you daffy and unable to judge correctly?

 

You know, I don't take issue with skyjedi or Puggo coming over here and sharing their distaste for the prequels because all they are doing is sharing their opinions of the movies.  I don't hear either of them calling our opinions wrong though.

I think you're just bitter because we are able to enjoy them and therefore have 6 movies to watch instead of only 3.

theprequelsrule said:

These films are unsalvagable. They have no narrative drive, no sympathetic characters, atrocious to mediocore acting, wooden dialogue, inauthentic (and increasingly obsolete) special effects,  and no apparent character motivation for actions (characters do things because it is written in the script).

Only the soundtracks are in the same league, although still not as good as, those of the OT.

There were only two scenes in the entire PT that I found entertaining; both of the lightsaber duels from TPM.

How anyone can like these movies is beyond me.

We read the Jedi Prince series when we were kids and I guess we just never quite fully recovered.

none said:

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twooffour said:

 

Can't help but to talk search and delve into something they claim to hate (it just seems counterproductive, to me). I wouldn't say you specifically, but if I had to say any names, the OP would be one of them.

I still don't see where the problem lies.

Why people who hate the PT go to TFN to read the comments in support of it? Even though they find the comments stupid and annoying? And possibly start arguing with them? Because it's fun, to them.

Seems pretty basic and simple to me.

 

That's pretty much what I thought.

timdiggerm said:

HanSolo1977 said:

I heard mentioned in this thread that the deleted scenes could be in the same kind of letterboxed SD as the 2006 GOUT. In the trailers for the deleted scenes, however, they appear to be in anamorphic... 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCv6XZFf9tk

 

Thoughts?

Well, it's not letterboxed at least. Will it be HD? No one knows.

The deleted scenes on the prequel DVDs are anamorphic.  So I think there's at least some hope.

TV's Frink said:

Darth Bizarro said:

TV's Frink said:

Was that a mom joke?  I just need to know if I should add you to the list.

Just a little one.

Right.  Yellow light level it is.

Tis a glorious day...in the sun.

Alexrd said:

xhonzi said: Actually, it turns out that some of my confusion is based on the fact that you are not Darth Bizarro.  (You're not, right?)  Since you replied to 2/4's comment to him.

So... there you have it.

No, I'm not Darth Bizarro. I don't recall replying to a comment not directed to me. Which one was it?

Wait, I'm confused.  What happened?  Did I meta morph without realizing it?

I should also clarify that when I say fail, I refer to movies that fail completely.  I may not like Justin Beiber but he has millions of dollars and legions of fans lining up to suck him off.  Transformers also has a pretty large legion of fans so I don't think they necessarily qualify.

Now if one where to refer to something as fail in the Twilight sense of the word, then yes, I can see how some might see the prequels as fail.   

TV's Frink said:

Was that a mom joke?  I just need to know if I should add you to the list.

Just a little one.

-Palpatine:  "Yeah!"

-"Buzz droids!"

-Anakin.  You're breaking my heart."

TV's Frink said:

I see someone hasn't had the talk yet...

Ok, here's how it works.  When a mommy sun and a daddy sun love each other very, very much, the daddy sun moves within the orbit of the mommy sun and [EDITED]

Your mommy sun is hot!  I'd slingshot my Enterprise around her any day.

Baronlando said:

Does it count as a fanedit if I like 'em when chapter skipping through them? (they end up about an hour long each)

I don't know.  That might fall under enjoyed certain aspects.

-"I don't like sand.  It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.  Not like here.  Here everything's soft...and smooth."

-Boba Fett:  "Heeheehee!"

-"Master.  Because somebody erased it from the archive memory."

-"Owen Lars, this is my girlfriend Beru.  Well, I guess I'm your stepbrother."

-"I am programmed to understand humans."

-"Begun, the Clone War has."

-"I think it's time to inform the senate that our ability to use the force is diminished."

-"Excuse me, I'm in charge of security here, milady."

-"You listen.  We live in a real world.  Come back to it.  You're studying to be come a Jedi Knight.  I'm a senator.  If you follow your thoughts through to conclusion, they will take us to a place we cannot go, regardless of the way we feel about each other."

-"From the moment I met you, all those years ago, not a day has gone by when I haven't thought of you.  And now that I'm with you again, I'm in agony.  The closer I get to you, the worse it gets.  The thought of not being with you...I can't breath.  I'm haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me.  My heart is beating, hoping that kiss will not become a scar.  You are in my very soul, tormenting me.  What can I do?  I will do anything you ask.  If you are suffering as much as I am, please tell me."

TV's Frink said:

Darth Bizarro said:

Good when properly fan edited.

-TV's Frink

Fixed.  Some fan edits don't really do the job.

K, got it.

Updated.

I think I put everyone in correctly.

TV's Frink said:

Needs a fanedit category.

Good idea.  I showed a friend of mine who hadn't seen the prequels in years a couple of fan edits and he was shocked by how much he found himself enjoying them.

I know for a fact I'm not the only person on this site.  

Categories are:

Love More than the OT (as if but you never know)

Like equally with OT.

-Alexrd

-JediMasterFisher

Not as good as OT but still like them.

-Darth Bizarro (Revenge on par with Jedi)

-Asaki

-pittrek

-TheBoost (minus EP II)

-Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold

Below par, but still watchable.

-Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda

-Monolithium

Good when properly fan edited.

-TV's Frink

-doubleKO (but still below par)

Enjoyed Certain Aspects

-twooffour

-Baronlando

-gobalicious

The "meh" and hate categories are over on this thread.  And yes, this thread exists because there is no like category on that thread.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Okay-who-actually-HATES-the-Prequels/topic/13111/ 

theprequelsrule said:

IMHO there are two distinct ways that the prequels have harmed Star Wars:

1. They were not good films
2. They are representative of an attitude that has resulted in the suppression of the original theatrical versions of the first three films.

 

It is the second point that has caused lasting harm. It is also the source of much of the frustration and exasperation  for many of us on these boards. Because George has fallen in love with CGI/blue-screen film-making - considering it a superior form of the art, we do not have high quality versions of the theatrical releases of Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. This is also why a lot of us are bothered by the special editions.

Until George is convinced that the prequels and special editions are inferior films we will not see a new, high quality transfer of  the OOT.

Hold it right there buddy.  The ONLY person responsible for the suppressing of the unaltered trilogy is George Lucas and GEORGE LUCAS alone.  Don't you dare try to blame that on the people who like the prequels.  

twooffour said:

OT.com doesn't seem to be the radical prequel hating community you're talking about here - you'd rather find that at the RLM boards, although even that one has a refreshing percentage of reasonable members with whom you can discuss.

At any rate, you'd be well advised to drop some of your silly delusions - there is no need in the world for a "united Star Wars fandom", and neither do you have any need to "fit in" anywhere when it comes to movies and online communities.
Just let it go. I've almost never encountered another user anywhere that also loved the silly droid antics in ROTS, yet I don't feel lonely or depressed because of that. Why would this be?

 

No not the whole  community.  To say that everybody on OT is a radical prequel hater would be like calling everyone on TFN Lucas's personal ball washers.  If it was the whole community, I wouldn't be here.  Yes, I do have a stronger preference for the original trilogy and I think Lucas is a jack ass for suppressing the original versions.  But I won't go as far as to say that everything from 1983 on is utter crap.  

As far as my "silly delusions" about a "united Star Wars fandom", I never said any such thing.  No fandom is ever going to completely agree and it would be a "silly delusion" to think that way.  But I would site that Star Trek fans don't rage at others who have a preference for one series or another.  I've never been called a fool or barraged with critique and criticism every time I've said that I only like the Classic Trek series and movies and have no interest in Next Generation.  I don't see Doctor Who fans who prefer the old and new serials throwing jelly babies back and forth at one another.  They may not all agree, but they at least can get along and accept each other's differences in their fandom.    

I'm sorry but could you be more specific.  In what way do you need to have read the ancillary material and have seen the original trilogy in order for the prequels to make sense.  

And also, yes I do watch the movies in canon order.  I also watch them prequel free.  I'm as much a fan of the vintage material as I am the new material so it really all depends on my mood.  

I grew up watching the originals trilogy.  I went to see the Phantom Menace at 13, saw Attack of the Clones 3 or 4 times in theaters, and went to see Revenge of the Sith the week I graduated high school.  I've watched them many times since on DVD and it's even gotten to the point where I quote them.  

And I am willing to admit that the films are far from perfect.  There is some really stupid stuff in there but to say that they fail as movies is taking it a bit too far IMO.  Gili failed as a movie.  If they completely failed then they wouldn't have made so much money.  They wouldn't have spawned toys and merchandising that still sell to this day.  There wouldn't have been a spin off cartoon series currently entering it's 4th season.  Lucas isn't forcing people to buy this stuff.  People are buying it because they want it.  That's how capitalism works.

It really sucks that this is what fandom has devolved into.  It seems like everyone is either a total hater or a total gusher and it really sucks to be floating in the middle drifting back and forth like a plastic bag in the wind from TFN to OT.com helplessly trying to find a place to fit in as the polarized world of Star Wars fandom rips itself in two.       

I came across this the other day and thought it was worth discussing.  This is from January 2010.  I couldn't find any other threads discussing this.

Skip ahead to about the 1 hr 46 minute mark to hear the segment.

This is from Kyle Newman, the guy who directed Fanboys.

http://www.forcecast.net/story/showarchives/Weekly_ForceCast_January_22_2010_128935.asp

Discuss.  

^Dude, let it go.

TheBoost said:

From "topic" to "I still hate the prequals" in less than one post.

That has to be a new record, even for us.

Unless, to be fair, "I hate the prequals" WAS the real topic, and the thread title was a clever ruse.

I think the top General thread right now is something to the effect of "why everyone who likes the prequels is wrong."

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/From-what-i-have-seen-one-way-Tfn-ers-excuse-how-bad-the-prequels-are/topic/13105/

I don't think you can get much more direct than that.

skyjedi2005 said:

Is by pointing out how blanks are filled in or how crappy points of the film or unexplained or nonsensical plot points are then fixed in other media, be it video games, comic books or novels, role playing game supplements etc.

But making the prequels incoherent and a mess as films or movies themselves only meant for those who have read or played everything coming out of the license or who have seen the original films.

In other words they are horrible for general audiences and non star wars nerds, and are bad films in this way.

Likewell you see Anakin's a good friend and great starpilot if you read this book or comic, or see this animated show, even though its not in the movie,lol.

The jedi purge is also not shown on screen really nor is the formation of the rebellion, again comic books and video games.

The clone wars story was also not told in the films/movies proper.

We also think good old HC was a damn fine actor and Jar Jar Binks was the greatest thing to happen to Star Wars since Boba Fett.

*sigh*