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#85495
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85495/action/topic#85495
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
DanielB, what part of "You caused this" don't you get? He decided this because of your behavior towards him and others on these boards ! Do we really need to hit you over the head with this fact!?! Is this not a big enough clue? Are you seriously in that much denial?
No, he said I stop him from having fun doing the project. That's probably true, and I am sorry. But I'm not the one who decided the project should stop, heck I love the project as much as you do - just not for quite the same reason.
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#85445
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.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85445/action/topic#85445
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Originally posted by: Laserman
Anyway, I'm going to cruise for a week now, it will probably become clear what to do all by itself. It usually does when I leave it alone for a while.
That's probably for the best mate, as I said earlier you are the one who has to decide your course of action, people just trying to change your mind - I know is confusing and frustrating. I myself hope you take the project back up, and as I said I am willing to help out in it with funding. If I manage to get a faster PC (than this old 750mhz thing) then i'd be willing to take a copy of the source cap and painstakingly create a watchable DVD from it too.
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#85444
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Idea &amp; Info Wanted: Dreaming of the <em>ultimate</em> LD transfer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85444/action/topic#85444
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Yes I can see what you're saying, that's some very useful info LM. I did not realise that Laserdiscs repeated frames for pulldown, I thought that they'd just encode the repeated field twice. I had not initially thought of the rotation speed, however for NTSC TV material that is native 30fps (and so every field is encoded), does that require a different rotation speed? From what I now know I would say modding the X0 for PAL output is impractical.
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#85055
Topic
.: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85055/action/topic#85055
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
In addition to the "failed projects" that you mentioned, I also have a buttload of home movies to finish putting on DVD, and some porn than accidentally made it's way to my hard drive (love those midgets! )
Damn man, you stole my midget porn? I want it back. Midgets may be small but that stuff don't fit onto just one HDD!
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#85049
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StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85049/action/topic#85049
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Originally posted by: oojason
Mike's site itself has probably seen him slow down on actually working his set - but hey, he's still doing it, all for free.
Hey, I bought his shirt.

ChainsawAsh, why do I care? Hmmm... maybe because I believe it kills the real preservation effort which is to convince Lucas to release his original movies. As I said before, Lucas believes it should be his way not ours. I do not believed that attitude is incompatible with the interests of preservation. I for one am not asking for anything "my" way. All I'm asking for (from Lucas, not from Mike) is preservation of the theatrical releases, and availability in the current home video format standards. I'm not even asking Mike to kill his project, just that I do believe this is not the forum for it, and I believe it should be taken elsewhere.
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#85048
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85048/action/topic#85048
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I was wrong. MeBeJedi is not only mature, but civil also. I would like to remind everyone here that I do not take issue with his good willed character. Just his intentions to modify the trilogy. I can understand how you would think it implies demoralization of his character as you may be thinking "LUCAS is an idiot". MeBeJedi is not an idiot, nor an unvalued member here, he is mature, responsible and holds intentions which are admirable. I am sorry for ever even hinting that his character was otherwise.
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#85046
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Idea &amp; Info Wanted: Dreaming of the <em>ultimate</em> LD transfer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85046/action/topic#85046
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Moth3r thankyou. I will forget you called me an annoying twat, and I will not use name-calling myself.

The simple answer to your question is the decoders are poorly named, like how positively charged electricity is the lack of electrons. It should be called an encoder. Well that's my understanding anyway, I may be wrong.

-edit-

I might add to Karyudo, thankyou for removing the insults from your post. I have no grievance with you, please do not hold a grudge against me.
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#85045
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/85045/action/topic#85045
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Peter, I'm going to make this brief. I have no problems with you calling my posts annoying, or anything else for that matter. I do realise I have the ability to bring out the worst in people at times, and for that I truly am sorry. But please do not blame me for anything more than that. Now, I realise people do spend a lot of time, investment and money in these things. As times, you could think it's not all for nothing. But intention does not guarantee performance, Lucas has spent an outrageous amount and look at what he's produced.

If it adds one name to the tally you can add mine for wanting to see your version. If you were to give me a couple of months I could fund a meaningful amount, and am prepared to do so. I know you can still contribute your knowledge to other's in their efforts here. And heck I'd be a fool to say you're not right that I may have said the wrong thing at times. But that does not excuse the behaviour of others on this forum, you can not point the finger at me and blame me for the post that Daniel posted, for instance.

In conclusion, though it pains me to say this - the decision as to whether you continue your project is entirely up to you, and I do not intend to change your mind. Maybe you are angered at me because of your obsessive devotion to all of this. You haven't angered me, what has angered me is to see this forum and the name of preservation used illogically to somehow blanket and hide the grim reality of producing uniquely butchered versions. Why the rest of you cannot see that? Maybe you're angered at me because of my own faults, showing my failure to the preservation. Maybe it's both.

--

Daniel I have only this to say to you. (now removed)
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#84953
Topic
StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/84953/action/topic#84953
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Mike for all your arguments, please remember that you are not involved in the original trilogy preservation. At best, you are involved in creating the "Special Mverta Edition". It pains me to see this forum being used for projects like yours. If Lucas himself came to this forum and started a thread titled "The 2007 Special Edition - The Official Thread", he would not be doing anything different to you. I understand that you are compiling these movies how you see them, but that is not what preservation is. Enid Blyton's Noddy books did not have to be modified by others. But people came along and used the exact same argument you're using now, which is "the noddy books were never meant to be raciest, so therefore removing a raciest character is in the best interests of the book".

Please, for the love of individuality, let it go. I would not have made the noddy books the same way - I wouldn't have made them at all! So therefore since I had no part in creating them what right would I have to re-make them now? What gives you this right Mike? Serving the best interests of SW fans? Preservation? Or is it that you are saying, now, "these imperfections are not how I would have intended the movie to look if I had made it, therefore I am editing it"? Yes, your version might look better to you. But then this forum wasn't created to make the best looking version, it was created so that people might use it in their efforts to create the best possible preservation. And this project does not fall into that category.
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#84933
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Info Wanted: i'm new here and have a few questions.... (who has the best release?)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/84933/action/topic#84933
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In answer to your question the ebay auction you see is for DrGonzo's transfer. You can PM me and I can help you, alternatively Rikter can also hook you up with the discs. DrGonzo himself is also a member here, so you may be able to contact him for the discs as well. To clear it up, TR-47's set is not anamorphic, DrGonzo's is, but is a bit softer in picture quality. Also, where TR-47's discs feature the Matrixed Prologic surround-sound uncompressed, Gonzo's does not. MeBe, if you don't have a copy of either version I will send them to you for free, as a gesture of my friendship to these boards. That offer will also remain open to Zion and other members who are involved in the original trilogy preservation (such as Laserman, but I know he already has all the SW discs I do).

It should be noted I don't have the additional 4 supplemental discs to TR-47's set (the 7 disc set).
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#84482
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Idea &amp; Info Wanted: Dreaming of the <em>ultimate</em> LD transfer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/84482/action/topic#84482
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Karyudo I don't live under a dictatorship, and not certainly not one dictated by you. I haven't posted many replies lately because (to name names) MeBeJedi persists to hold a grudge. I have no grievance with anyone here, if they want - if you want to hold a grudge, then that is your choice. It's not that I don't care, but it is that my right free speech comes before your right to have everything your way on this forum. Laserman said here exactly what I was thinking in terms of modifications - either way I certainly don't expect the X0 to be modified; I was simply discussing the possibility irrespective of the availability, or practicality. You wondered if you could take the laser out and put it in another player, have you ever tried to replace the laser in a DVD drive with one from another drive?

It can't be done. Oh sure for some similar models from the same manufacture, yes... but two drives internally different with different laser assemblies? Nope. CD players? Not a chance.

"If I have my way, you will never, ever have a copy of anything I have the opportunity to work on."

It is exactly that kind of attitude which I take issue with. So you don't want what you work on to be publically available to all?

No, that isn't what you want is it? Come on, I know better than that - you must want the original Star Wars Trilogy to be publically available or you wouldn't be involved in anything. I have a friend, who agrees that the Special Editions are awful. However he likes the new Empire scene, and the sabre effects. That is to say, he prefers them. This kind of pick-and-choose attitude is what is detracting from the original trilogy preservation. How can one person say that the Original Trilogy is what should be available, but then when push comes to shove produce a Modified Trilogy? Is that Film Preservation?

Let me ask you, if this was the preservation of the original Noddy Books, would it be okay if instead of publishing the original books how they were originally released, I modified the images that bothered me? If I did that in my "preservation" what right would have to claim golliwog shouldn't have been edited?

It saddens me to see an intelligent individual as yourself become so. You don't have to see things my way to conduct in civil debate, or discussions. You don't have to hold a grudge either. I have seen the pains it causes, because one person - and it only takes one - refuses to get along with another. And don't you - OR ANYONE ELSE, dare roll that back on me, I have not marginalized any member here, I do not hold a grudge with anyone. What your quoted statement says to me is "you are not worth the time of day". Now I'm here to tell you now, that I do not feel that way about you, or any other forum member.

The reason I have taken pains to try and convince MeBe, is that when Lucas looks at this what he will see is people cherry-picking how to compile their own version of the trilogy. Heck he has even said himself that it's not the fans that should have it their way, it's him who should have it his way. And that's exactly what he's going to continue to think if we (the SW fan community) persist with editing his work. I agree with Lucas, it's not the fans that should have it their way. What I argue is for the original trilogy in the interests of film preservation. To have the movie released his original way.

And I do believe that what MeBeJedi will do with his version will undermine the efforts of having Lucas himself release the unaltered trilogy. I'm not finished. I'll post back shortly with an extension to this post.
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#84478
Topic
Idea &amp; Info Wanted: Dreaming of the <em>ultimate</em> LD transfer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/84478/action/topic#84478
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Well I'll continue my thoughts on moding it here then. Karyudo it appears even my electrical knowledge is more than yours. It does appear that you hit a hitch, though, as laserman says there are five independent NTSC decoders on board, which are then used together in the final output. I understand this complicates things for several reasons. My best advice for Laserman would be to mod a more expendable - but similar NTSC unit first, and see if it works. Yes your dummy unit won't have the same complications of the 5 NTSC processors, but it will provide a starting point.

Yes, there is no "tap here for pal" - but it's really not THAT complicated. It wants to process the picture it's read, all you have to do is feed it's information through the right circuitry in the right way. The first, and most obvious thing is the frequency, changing that is no problem. The only real problem is the fact there's no PAL processor on board to decode a PAL output. You may be able to coax the NTSC ones into it, however you'd still have an ntsc signal. Laserman I expect could explain this to you far better than I ever could, but basically the PAL standard features more stable hues, wider luminance bandwidth and a higher gamma ratio than NTSC. So, when I play an NTSC DVD on my home player I have it set to output PAL to take advantage of those features of the PAL signal system. It outputs PAL-60 instead of NTSC, which has the same number of lines as NTSC at the same frame-rate, but better colour and contrast. And it is visibly better on my TV. Fleshtones look much more consistent, NTSC likes to make fleshtones look too red.

Now if you play a PAL LD and output it in a hybrid 50hz NTSC signal, well you loose all the advantages of the PAL colour system. You lose the contrast definition, and the hue stability.
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#84279
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/84279/action/topic#84279
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Karyudo, it is daunting reading those kinds of replies. I do appreciate some of what you said, however for the main part you're talking from an assumptive point of view. I am glad to hear you have thought about moding an NTSC player, I don't generally agree with you on the complexity of moding it, I do only have a limited knowledge of electronics - however the concept is fairly simple. Yes you may want to mod a more expendable NTSC player.

However, for arguments sake - if the LD player does in fact actually read PAL discs correctly as is (which it may well do, I'm not sure on that though - mainly because I don't understand all the technical qualities of LD's and if the reading system for NTSC-only is different to one for a multisystem or PAL LD player), that means the only thing you need to change is the output signal. You would do this (to the best of my knowledge) by changing the frequency from 60hz to 50 (using a resistor). That in itself may well output an NTSC-50 version of PAL- which is not a standard signal, but may be usable as is. The next thing you would need to do is pass the data through a PAL chip instead of an NTSC chip.

Now theoretically, IF laserman desoldered the current NTSC chip NOW and then put a PAL chip in its place, you would have a hybrid player that plays NTSC discs but outputs them as PAL-60. This would give some increase in quality over standard NTSC on it's own, because the PAL system has better use of colour - and laserman knows that. That modification on its own would allow you to achieve a higher quality capture than is currently available through the player. The only thing he would then have to modify for playing PAL discs is the frequency, which can be done with a resistor. You could then tack on a dipswitch so the player is permanently multi-format (it would always be a PAL signal, though). Now this is all in theory. Now you are right, in that it may not be possible to make it play PAL discs anyway. However it should be relatively simple, and safe to modify it to output a PAL picture, and as that is more than half the modification in itself (which improves the player anyway by allowing it to use PAL's better colour system), maybe it is a feasible option.

Funding, well as I would have explained in my original post I am unable to help in those regards right now. I did provide LaserMan with TR-47's discs, and I could provide him with anything else I happen to come across. If anyone wants to send Laserman discs, and will send them straight to me instead, I will send laserman copies (for free), which would save LaserMan sending me discs instead. Also, I don't have any equipment, or money to buy the equipment needed to undertake the task myself. I do appreciate the involvement, commitment, time and money it takes to undertake such an assignment.
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#84294
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Riddles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/84294/action/topic#84294
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http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1564

That post explains mixing ethanol and water to produce vodka creates a more dense liquid. Now I've taken it a step further, because what most people do when they drink vodka is dilute it into some sort of water-based beverage. They might be diluting it with apple juice to take shots, for instance. In that case they might start by half-filling the shot glass with vodka, and then adding the juice until it is full. They believe they are adding as much juice as vodka, but they're not. All things equal, if they originally filled the glass to exactly half way with vodka and then used condensed apple juice to fill the rest of the glass, then in their shot glass is more than half a shot glass of apple juice.

If you poured equal portions of vodka and water, 500ml each into a container you would have 941ml of fluid in that container.
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#84129
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/84129/action/topic#84129
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Laserman, I attempted to reply in this thread yesterday - at around this time, however Maxthon crashed. So here is my more thought out reply.

Firstly I'd like to thank you for your dedication to creating the cleanest LD capture without alterations (such as fixing sabre effects, removing matte-lines, etc). Does this also mean preserving the Prologic soundtrack in uncompressed PCM?

The clarity and consistency you have achieved through the X0 player is simply amazing. The quality and detail in that capture, the lack of grain and haloing make it comparitable to DVD quality. You have got to the point where you no longer see the limitations of the LD format, but rather the limitations of the source it was copied from. With that said, some faint haloing is still visible. The bottom picture is wider? One of them has been stretched, or squashed...?

The Leia cap, while I'm sure looks great too you - looks far too synthetic, like it's a wax painting or something. The clarity and detail in it are excellent, though. If you going to mod a player for capturing the PAL discs, would it be possible to mod an NTSC unit (ie the X0)? I realize it doesn't have native capabilities to output a PAL picture, but with the right resistors and a compatible PAL-TV chip to rout through instead of the NTSC chip, would it work? When you put a PAL LD into it now does it try and play the movie? Does it get as far as reading the data on the LD and feeding that into the NTSC chip (if it did it would presumably output a garbled picture)? Because if so then I would think it'd be rather simple to mod it to PAL. Though, and this is probably obvious to you LaserMan anyway, if you were to do that you'd want to make damn sure you got those NTSC caps right before trying to mod the player.
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#84131
Topic
Riddles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/84131/action/topic#84131
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Yes, but it's not mathematically accurate.
It is mathematical, but a practical maths not often taught in schools, etc. For instance, if I pile one pile of dirt on top of another pile of dirt I end up with one pile of dirt. That is practical. And it shows:

1 pile of dirt + 1 pile of dirt = 1 pile of dirt.

You would not believe how many people will say "but mathematically there's twice as much dirt"! They're not even close to the practicality. A pile of dirt is an arbitrary mass. No one said the two piles of dirt were of equal volume in the first place; and either way when they are combined they form one pile of dirt, not two. You cannot add two piles of dirt together and end up with twp piles of dirt, because it is in adding them together that they form one, by the very definition of the question. The dots question are the same.

If you ask someone to put pen to paper and draw no more than 4 straight connected lines that connect all the dots together; you are specifying a practical question, for which there is a practical answer - not a purely mathematical one. You can't show they're wrong mathematically if they provide my solution, if you say "You need FOUR lines" they can just draw a 4th line that goes back to another dot. Then their solution would be 4 lines, but with an unnecessary line.

If you ever saw a product which contains more than 100% in total of the ingredients, would you think there was an error involved? Let me share this with you. If you mix 500ml of vodka with 500ml of water, you do not get 1kg of liquid. It's actually less than 950ml of fluid. What are you going to do about that? Complain that it's not mathematical? That there was 500ml of water, and 500ml of vodka and just because you've changed their location their weight should not have changed? Ask where the other 50ml went to?

If I packaged a product that was made of equal portions of vodka and water, and listed my ingredients with percentages, then on the packaging it would read: Contains: 53% vodka and 53% water. Again this is practical, it may not be mathematical but it is practical, accurate and demonstrable under real world conditions. It would, in fact, be illegal for me to write 50% for each of vodka and water. Percentages must be accurate, if in 1kg of my product there is 530ml of water, then my product (according to its weight) contains 53% water, I cannot write 50%, because it does not contain 500ml of water to the kg, it contains 530ml of water to the kg. The same goes for the vodka.

Now I could intend instead to trick the consumer by writing only one percentage, thus: Contains: 53% vodka and water. People would then assume that it is 47% water. But it's not. It is however 53% vodka - or 530ml, which is what my claim is.
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#83809
Topic
Riddles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83809/action/topic#83809
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Because, even if the dots are specks, you can still use the thickness of your pencil to make the line go over the specks while soaping down in a big Z. You have to remember this question is not based on dots that are specks and have no width, it's based on practical dots and a practical pencil; both of which do have width. I have drawn the three line solution on paper before, so I know it is a perfectly practical solution.
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#83789
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Wanted: I'm looking for a PAL VCR...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83789/action/topic#83789
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Americans: This is an armed battle-ship of the US Navy, please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision!

Reply: Again, please you divert your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the captain of the Aircraft Carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the world. You will divert your course 15 degrees to the North!

Reply: This is the lighthouse mate. Your call.


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#83784
Topic
Riddles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83784/action/topic#83784
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Even if the lines are thicker than the dots you can still achieve the answer I provided. That was simply the best way of drawing it on a PC.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
DanielB: nice answer... but the dots are supposed to have no size at all.
Even if the lines are thicker than the dots you can still achieve the answer I provided. That was simply the best way of drawing it on a PC.
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Originally posted by: Bossk
So I guess to make the other answer correct, you have to specify that the lines must bisect the circles into halves when they cross through them. Then the four line solution will work.
No it wouldn't:



Even if you extend the left line through the top-left dot, you'll be dissecting that dot into 4 pieces, not two equal halves. You could argue that that single line dissects it into equal halves, but then the other two lines going into it are not, and it would still fail your specifications.