Grand Admiral Thrawn

Not sure if this could be relevant for V5 Ascendant, but the AI lines and concept are pretty cool!

https://youtu.be/nWgweAQLCmI?si=srSqX2D9WlqYCiTR

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’ve already ditched this idea, check out Nev’s thread for the newer one.

I did. Not a fan to be honest. Having Rey be a Palpatine force creation is just too much in my opinion. It makes Anakin even less special, more than the OG film does…

Maybe just cleaning up the canon is the best thing…

“Rey… wherever you are… you are hard to find.”

“You are hard to get rid of.”

“I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it… I needed you to see it… who you are. I know the darkness that lives in you, Rey…”

“You’re lying.”

“You were right… your parents were no one. They chose to be, to keep you safe.”

“Don’t!”

“Your parents barely escaped from Exegol.”

“I don’t want this!”

“Palpatine wanted them dead!”

“No!”

“And soon after he learned of you.”

(Rey sees the vision of her parents and her abandonment.)
“My Love… be brave.”
“You’ll be safe here… I promise.”
“Come back! Nooo!”

“They paid for your protection… in more than one way.”

“Stop talking.”

“Rey… I learned what happened to them.”

(Cutaway to heroes capture)

“Your parents wanted Luke to protect you, searching the Jakku desert for his allies… but Palpatine’s assassins caught up to them, they wouldn’t say where you were… so he gave the order.”

(Rey sees her parents get killed.)

“So that’s where you are.”

“You know why the Emperor’s always wanted you dead. I’ll come tell you.”

…

“Why did the Emperor come for me? Why did he want to kill a child? Tell me.”

“Because he no longer needed your father. After his return his clones became threats to him, as well as their offspring. You don’t just have power, Rey… you have his power. You are a Palpatine.”

“My mother was the daughter of Vader. Your father was a clone of the Emperor. What Palpatine doesn’t know is that we’ve become a dyad in the Force. Two that are one. Together we can end him and the Sith, and take his power to forge something new…”

(Removes his helmet)

“You know what you need to do. You know.”

“I know."

Having Rey’s parents be cultists that grew a heart just seems the most “Star Wars” to me.

I 100% think that is the angle that should be taken with this plot thread.

The whole “filthy junk traders who sold you for drinking money” in TLJ was what Kylo saw in a vision of Rey’s parents. And if his vision was just what he saw from her parents with Unkar on Jakku, anyone would make that same assumption.

Why would the Sith trust junkers to raise an Emperor clone? That just makes zero sense.

The ONLY way for this to work is:

• Rey is created from Palps’ DNA, maybe not refer to her as a clone but a creation. Leave it more vague.
• Rey’s “parents” were cultists who grew to love Rey and wanted her safe from Palps.
• They stole Ochi’s ship and escaped. If the cultists got to Exegol they should know how to get out, an easy assumption for general audiences. It also makes them more heroic and essential to the story even though they are “nobodies”.
• Rey’s “parents” seek Luke and Lor San Tekka’s people for protection.
• Palpatine sent his assassins to Jakku and Rey’s parents are killed.
• Ochi at some point travels to Pasanna while Luke is hunting him down after he is follwing the lead from Lor San Tekka.

JarJar, I like! Only tweak I’d suggest:

“Because he no longer needed you. After his return, and your escape, he saw his creations as a threat
to his power. Your blood… is his blood. You… are a Palpatine.”

“The only reason for your existence was to be one of his vessels."

The only reasoning is to not downright say she is a clone, but she was created from him. This leaves things a little more vague which I think might be a good thing in this situation and help smooth out “Rey Palpatine” better. She’s not a grandchild, and it’s not explicitly stated that she is a clone, but that she was created from him.

Plus it can help make Luke’s “…some things are stronger than blood.” hit a little bit harder.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

The problem is that you’re describing exactly why he’d want to keep her alive, not to kill her. There’s also no real character motivations involved. I still prefer Hal’s version which I modified and shared above.

JEDIT: Realized you weren’t responding to my post HAHA 😄

The biggest issue I am seeing with most of these rewrites is that it is TOO in-detail. Star Wars has ALWAYS had very basic explanations of things, and in most cases, uses simple words to convey the message.

With these very expositional lines plus them being AI-generated, I have a feeling it is just going to sound off. I think it is a great area to better explain “Rey Palpatine” in the context of this edit, but we can’t make Kylo sound unnatural by all of the sudden using large words and going on lengthy exposition dumps which is something his character has never done.

That being said… and taking/changing the best from what I have seen so far…

“Rey… wherever you are… you are hard to find.”

“You are hard to get rid of.”

“I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it… I needed you to see it… who you are. I know the darkness that lives in you, Rey…”

“You’re lying.”

“You were right… your parents were no one… torn over their allegiance to the Sith cult.”

“Don’t!”

“Your barren mother was desperate for a child… she saw one she could save.”

“I don’t want this!”

“She stole you from the Sith!”

“No!”

“But taking you caught Palpatine’s attention.”

(Rey sees the vision of her parents and her abandonment.)
“My Love… be brave.”
“You’ll be safe here… I promise.”
“Come back! Nooo!”

“They paid for your protection… in more than one way.”

“Stop talking.”

“Rey… I learned what happened to them.”

(Cutaway to heroes capture)

“Your parents sought out Luke’s protection, searching the Jakku desert for his allies… but Palpatine’s assassins caught up to them, they wouldn’t say where you were… so he gave the order.”

(Rey sees her parents get killed.)

“So that’s where you are.”

“You know why the Emperor’s always wanted you dead. I’ll come tell you.”

…

“Why did the Emperor come for me? Why did he want to kill a child? Tell me.”

“Because he no longer needed you. With his return, and your escape, his clones became threats to his power. You’re one of his clones. You are a Palpatine.”

“The only reason for your creation was to be one of his vessels. But what Palpatine doesn’t know is that we’ve become a Dyad in the Force, Rey… two that are one. Together we can end him and the Sith, and take his power to forge something new…”

(Removes his helmet)

“You know what you need to do. You know.”

“I know.”

By having Rey’s parents be members of the cult, then have a change of heart and try to save Rey fits great with Rey’s line to Palpatine on Exegol:

“My parents were strong… they saved me from you.”

Here is a stab at cleaning up the other lines…

“Why did the Emperor come for me? Why did he want to kill a child? Tell me.”

"Because you were a threat to him once his spirit claimed another host. All his clones were… Rey, you have his power. You are a Palpatine.

"The sole reason for your creation was to be one of his vessels. But what Palpatine doesn’t know is that we’ve become a Dyad in the Force, Rey… two that are one. Together we can end him, and finally let the past die.

(Removes his helmet)

“You know what you need to do. You know.”

“I know.”

Guys… I love this. If we can get it implemented seamlessly… holy crap for V5!!!

As for one of the lines… I think this sounds a little more natural and less “Basil Exposition-y”

“Your parents saught out Luke’s protection, searching the Jakku desert for his allies… but Palpatine’s assassins caught up to them, they wouldn’t say where you were… so he gave the order.”

Palpatine’s dark experiments to cheat death created Snoke, and you. But even after his rebirth he’d do anything to keep the Sith throne, even killing the heirs he created. But our bond goes beyond that, Rey. The past won’t fade… we must end it, together.

Very excited to hear the outcome of this!

It really is the ultimate test to all the hard work here… turning this garbage film into something that is at least worthy of the name Star Wars, which in my opinion Ascendent EXCELS at.

Please keep us posted 😃

Hal 9000 said:

No, I think it muddles what’s happening and I don’t think it works fully. I’d also rather have Leia reach out as herself first before we let Han take over the show.

I agree, was just curious. It is a fun idea to mock up though!

@Octorox, I highly agree.

There is some time for an unmasked Kylo AI line to be added right after Rey falls and drops the Wayfinder and Kylo picks it up. This time could be used to help sell the idea of her using her inner darkness with the blade to reveal the path to the Wayfinder.

Kylo: “Embracing the darkness…”

Rey ignites her lightsaber…

Kylo: That’s the only way the dagger tells. Look at yourself. You wanted to prove to my mother that you were a Jedi but you proved something else. You can’t go back to her now, like I can’t."

Rey: “Give it to me.”

Kylo: “The dark side… is in our nature. Surrender to it.”

Rey: “Give it… to me.”

Kylo: “The only way you’re getting to Exegol… is with me.”

Rey: “NoOoOo!”

Hal, is this something that you are considering for V5 of Ascendant when the time comes?

Hal 9000 said:

And I like that new 3PO line idea! “I do believe I am some sort of… spy.” Perfect.

https://www.101soundboards.com/sounds/6919407-i-do-believe-i-am-some-sort-of-spy

I’m sure @JarJar’s AI line would sound better though.

Also, is it worth revisiting the line used to replace “Rey’s first mission” now that more emotion can be added to the lines? The “very important mission” line does sound a little flat in its current form.

https://www.101soundboards.com/sounds/6919441-artoo-did-you-hear-i-am-going-with-mistress-rey-on-a-very-important-mission

@RogueLeader, I love the idea of changing the inscription altogether. It always seemed odd to me that it is an “Ancient Sith” dagger, but then when they read Ochi’s inscription he added to it, it reads like Google Maps instructions. “Take a left turn at Endor, go to this exact latitude and longitude.” 😄

The only issue with your version, is that Finn’s line right after is: “The Endor System… where the last war ended.” So, we need to have some kind of line that Finn can pick up on in order to say that.

Embrace your darkness, and this blade will guide you.
Follow its whispers and it will show you what you seek.
The dark path begins where the last war ended.
Only this blade tells. Only this blade tells.

Hal 9000 said:

• Any ideas for the short exchange between the stormtroopers and 3PO?

Well… now that it will be easy to generate a new line maybe we could have a fun callback to ROTJ?

Trooper: “Who are you?!”

C-3PO: “I do believe I am some sort of… spy?”

Trooper: “Then why are you… what?”

Hal 9000 said:

• Anything else we can do about the dagger? And I wonder about reinstating it being depicted as her parents’ murder weapon; it was removed to allow for greater clarity that it can mystically reveal directions to the wayfinder.

Are we able to generate lines for Sith 3P0?

“The Emperor’s wayfinder is in the Imperial vault. At delta 3-6, transient 9-3-6, bearing 3-2, on a moon in the Endor system. From the southern shore. Only this blade tells. Only this blade tells.”

“The Emperor’s wayfinder is in the Imperial vault. At delta 3-6, transient 9-3-6, bearing 3-2, on a moon in the Endor system. Give in to your darkness. This blade will lead you. Only this blade tells. Only this blade tells.”

Nev, I adjusted the lines around a bit and I think it accomplishes the same goal but reads a little better in my opinion

Kylo: “Rey… wherever you are… You are hard to find."

Rey: “You are hard to get rid of.”

Kylo: “I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it… I needed you to see it… who you are. I know the rest of your story, Rey.”

Rey: “You’re lying.”

Kylo: “You were right… your parents were no one. You knew they were never coming back.”

Rey: “Don’t!”

Kylo: “You lied to yourself… but that only made your hate stronger.”

Rey: “I don’t want this!”

Kylo: “You hated them for it.”

Rey: “No!”

Kylo: “But you couldn’t live with your hate.”

(Cut Rey’s vision of her parents…since they are nobodies.)

Kylo: “Rey, I know how your parents died.”

Rey: “Stop talking.”

(Cutaway to heroes capture)

Kylo: “They were found by one of the Emperor’s agents. He wanted to know where you were… but they were too drunk to remember.”

(Cut vision of Rey’s parents getting killed.)

Kylo: “So that’s where you are. You know why the Emperor’s always wanted you, I’ll come tell you.”

…

Rey: “Why did the Emperor come for me? Why did he want to kill a child? Tell me.”

Kylo: “He never wanted to kill you, he saw what you would become… the most powerful host for his corrupted soul.”

Kylo: “Palpatine told me to kill you, but I know the truth. YOU are his true prize. There is darkness in you Rey, far more than me. But we can end this. We can end him, Rey… together.”

(Removes his helmet)

Kylo: “You know what you need to do. You know.”

Rey: “I know.”

Nev beat me to it while I was writing my response haha. Luke cut himself off from the force and couldn’t see the whole picture. The “raw strength” he sensed in Kylo (Snoke) is the same he briefly sensed in Rey (Palpatine). It wasn’t until Leia started to train Rey that she put it together that she had PapaPalps™ power

It’s like poetry…

Part of it that we’d need to be careful about… Leia didn’t know Palpatine was alive until the start of the movie, but knew of Rey’s lineage BEFORE then… god this movie is filled with plot holes, because if Leia knew of Rey’s past then she would know Palpatine was still alive! UGH

What if… it was because Leia sensed the strength of Rey’s abilities/powers once she started to train her. Because in TFA/TLJ isn’t around Rey when she uses the force much. And, it doesn’t rely on Luke having to tell her

Luke: “Because you’re a Palpatine? Leia sensed his power in you after I passed.”

Rey: "She didn’t tell me. She still trained me…”

Or…

Luke: “Because you’re a Palpatine? Leia and I learned it after I ascended.”

A little tongue-in-cheek, but…

Luke: “What are you most afraid of?”

Rey: “Myself.”

Luke: “Because you’re a Palpatine? Leia sensed it too, after I ascended…”

Rey: “She didn’t tell me. She still trained me…”

Luke: “Because she saw your spirit, your heart. Rey, some things are stronger than blood…”

NeverarGreat said:

Ghost Obi-wan told Luke about Yoda and Dagobah

I think the difference here is that it is assumed that Obi-Wan knew this before he died. Luke didn’t know about Rey and Palpatine until AFTER he died. I think the real issue is, are force ghosts omnipotent?

Double-post!