DVD-BOY

The manual is pretty good with DoStudio, and there are some test files to play with in the Sandbox section.

I've sent you a PM regarding AE Masks.

Hey DJ,

I'm still at work at the moment, but will be home in about 2.5 hours 7:30pm GMT, so I can sort you out then if you haven't heard from Ady or some other kind soul...

In the mean time, I'll try and upload an image...

dark_jedi said:

Well I am all for helping and getting help LOL,just as soon as I get this crawl figured out,Thanks Ady,then I need someone to help me with masking in After Effects,for the subtitle parts.

I am working on the crawl right now,next up subs,so paging Dr Ady,paging Dr Ady,unless anyone else has done After Effect masking work.

 

Wow, you're overlaying the English Footage over the German footage to add the english subs.  I was just going to splice everything together with AVISynth - is the English footage a noticable lower quality??

For After Effects the masking tool is on the tool bar, and then drag out the shape you want, or do a lassoo.  This will add a mask layer to your composition which you can then, alter it's size and (I think) position with keyframes.  There's a feather option as well if that is any help.

budwhite said:

I say keep it simple. One or two audio tracks, eng subs and just the movie. Less timeconsuming and bigger chance that it will show up sooner rather than later/never.

Absolutely, and I think at present this will hopefully produce two versions:

1. Dark Jedi's simple versions, which I will help him with as much as possible.

2. Hopefully my versions, which Dark Jedi will help me with ;)

DVD-BOY

dark_jedi said:

@ Adywan,

I hope you are following this thread,I sent you a PM yesterday but you probably did not see it,I have edited in the English crawl into the German version,the first edit point is very easy,I just started it right before "A long time ago......."where the screen is solid black,but the second edit point is going to be tricky,where did you do your second cut?

The reason I ask is because the stars on the German version are so much bigger and brighter,i really sticks out,I tried right after the crawl disappears,then right when the camera pans down and I do not like either of them spots,to noticeable,so where did you edit it to keep it flowing better?

Thanks

Hey DJ, is it not possible to do the cuts on scene changes, or do the scenes run too long, and is the english footage noticably lower quality?

<Looks like Ady beat me to it!!>

Sluggo said:

Secondary Picture Track based on Clones Revealed, Sith Revealed, Beginning Star Wars, Building Empire, Returning to Jedi.

 

I don't know how good those would look compared to the HD versions of the Saga.  If you went the secondary picture track, I'd rather have the 97 SE and the 04 DVD as a secondary track and a color-corrected version with some of the more offesive SE parts removed as the main picture track. 

And I like the idea of one trilogy per disc so I can watch my favorite movies all on one disc.

 

Animated menus would kick butt.

Well the secondary Picture in Picture track is only standard definition, so it should look the same as the existing DVDs - it wouldn't be a case of dropping them in as is, but using them as a spring board to show additional footage alongside the main feature.

By 'animated menus' do you mean 'pop-up', because that is certainly my intention.

Apologies for my late reporting in - had some beers to drink at a colleague's leaving do.

Stand by for Brain Dump...

Saga Running Times:

• Episode I = 133 mins
  

• Episode II = 142 mins
  

• Episode III = 140 mins
  

• Episode IV = 125 mins
  

• Episode V = 127 mins
  

• Episode VI = 135 mins

So, taking a maximum runtime of 145 mins to take into account menu backgrounds, you are looking at an average bitrate of 20Mbps, Maximum 38/40Mbps, with maybe about 200Mb to spare.

The Prequel Trilogy on 1 x BD50 would work out at 415 mins, Average 13.5Mbps, Maximum 38/40Mbps, so probably a little on the low side...

In terms of audio that's based on the German HD Streams uploaded with:

• 448Kbps DD 5.1 English
  
• 224Kbps DD 2.0 Commentary

No matter what, I'm guessing we will need to re-encode the video, because the chances that the HD Streams are to Blu-ray spec are very low.

As I mentioned to Dark Jedi, not only will the crawls have to be converted to English, but so would any shots which featured Alien speech as this was burnt into the video for the German Broadcast. I guess we'd be looking at Splicing in shots from the HV2 uploads to 'fix' any issues with the German HD broadcasts?

Additional Thoughts

• If we were to expand this to a BD-50 per title (perhaps not for 'version 1') we could look at adding additional audio streams: Spanish? French?
• PCM Isolated Score?
• Secondary Picture Track based on Clones Revealed, Sith Revealed, Beginning Star Wars, Building Empire, Returning to Jedi.
• There's the option to play with Presentation Graphics for things like trivia tracks, storyboard streams etc.
• Is it also worth considering 'bonus discs' which could collate some of the many standard def documentary preservations together?
• Even looking at Standard Definition preservations of the Original Trilogy, Blu-ray gives us the option of syncing up all those various audio tracks (even in PCM) without affecting the picture quality - up to 32 audio tracks.

I'll update this post with more thoughts as I think of them!

DVD-BOY

dark_jedi said:

Thanks DVD-BOY and dlbsyst, that's 2 so far,we should probably start our own thread soon as to not steal WG's Thunder.

Hey DJ, sounds like a good idea, and it means the kids can always follow along at home ;)

Do you want to do the honours?

DVD-BOY

Hey Dark Jedi, you have a pm.

Wow, well I feel pretty stupid!!!

I think when I hit the decipher.com/starwars page via google I recieved a forbidden error, and then the opening page looks so rubbish, I figured it was for some cyber squatters...

Have they completely trashed their old website though - star wars / star trek / lotr...

Jono11 said:

DVD-BOY said:

On another note, I was completely unaware that Decipher seems to have 'gone to the wall'.

What does this mean?

Sorry, gone bankrupt.

I mean, they have gone bust haven't they??  Domain name seems to link to something else...  Wayback machine says that Robots.txt has prevented spidering, but I'm pretty sure it used to hold the archive.

Apologies if this is the incorrect forum to post this in, but I was reading through a back issue of Empire Magazine and they talk about Audio Commentaries they recorded for all 6 Star Wars films.  Unfotunately when you go to their website, I can only see the Star Wars cover gallery.  Were these ever made available?

On another note, I was completely unaware that Decipher seems to have ‘gone to the wall’.  They used to do a series of Radio Shows called ‘Radio Free Decipher’ and I was wondering if anyone had preserved these? I was thinking about trying collate information regarding Star Wars merchandise, and so far the only ‘content’ I can think of is:

- Radio Free Decipher for CCG

- Steve Sansweet’s Video Pieces for Hyperspace - how many parts were there of this??

- Some kind of toy gallery???

Have there been any programs or documentaries about Star Wars merchandise? I’m thinking there must have been a ‘modern day antiques’ thing on UK TV, but otherwise, I’ve no idea.

Cheers

DVD-BOY

Cool.  Thankyou for the advice.

Thanks Dark Jedi,

My brain is obviously frazzled, and I was thinking if there was a delay on the file of -80ms (so the audio starts before the video), then perhaps I have to set a delay of 80ms to get the audio to start later, and so get back in sync. 

DelayCut gives me the option to delay the star and end times in ms. So if I want the audio to start 80ms later, I thought I would delay the start by 80ms.  If I wanted the audio to start 80ms earlier I would delay the start by -80ms (or 'trim' 80ms off the beginning).

If I had a delay of -80ms, and I set the delay start time to -80ms haven't I just delayed the start to -160ms?

I guess it's the difference between delay and trimming??

On a related note, I wanted to try and sync the French and Spanish audio from the region 1 DVDs to German HD captures posted on Usenet.  Without seeing the waveform to sync to, how exactly would I do this?  Or do I convert the AC3 to WAV as a guide, line up the waveforms on the opening fox fanfare, and then calculate whether I have to add silence or trim my ac3 files?

Many Thanks

DVD-BOY

When I rip elementary streams off DVD, DVDDecryptor often tags the AC3 file with a delay like -80ms.  I know if I bring this into cuttermaran it picks up on the delay and (i think) corrects it on editing.

If I am using DelayCut to fix this correction, do I give the tool the figure DVDDecryptor has tagged, or the opposite (ie: if the delay is -80ms, is the correction 80ms?)

Many Thanks

DVD-BOY

Thanks Mother, I tried the new install (mvtools2.dll) and AVISynth then complains that it can't find the function MVAnalyse, which appears to be now MAnalyse (?) in which case the usage also seems to have changed.

For some reason I was using a really old version, and it looks like once I've upgraded to the last of the 1.x branch it might have fixed the problem.

And I've finally got it working and then I get an Assertion Error and AVISynth explodes...

Might give up on this one...

Hi,

Sorry to turn this into a bit of an AVISynth Help Club, but I seem to get the following error with Solo21's script:

MVAnalyse does not have a named argument 'overlap'

I know it's going to be something obvious, but I can't get my head around which bit I need to debug here:

function MVDegrain2i(clip "source", int "overlap", int "dct", int "idx")

{

overlap=default(overlap,0) # overlap value (0 to 4 for blksize=8)

dct=default(dct,0) # use dct=1 for clip with light flicker

idx=default(idx,1) # use various idx for different sources in same script

fields=source.SeparateFields() # separate by fields

backward_vec2 = fields.MVAnalyse(isb = true, delta = 2, pel = 2, overlap=overlap, idx = idx,dct=dct)

forward_vec2 = fields.MVAnalyse(isb = false, delta = 2, pel = 2, overlap=overlap, idx = idx,dct=dct)

backward_vec4 = fields.MVAnalyse(isb = true, delta = 4, pel = 2, overlap=overlap, idx = idx,dct=dct)

forward_vec4 = fields.MVAnalyse(isb = false, delta = 4, pel = 2, overlap=overlap, idx = idx,dct=dct)

fields.MVDegrain2(backward_vec2,forward_vec2,backward_vec4,forward_vec4,thSAD=400,idx=idx)

Weave()

}

Can anyone help? What does it all mean Basil?

Hey WG,

Out of interest, what have you used for Authoring and Encoding the Blu-ray?

I've been tinkering with some things, but didn't even want to think about colour correcting as well!

Best of Luck

DVD Boy

Hi Sunday,

I've just tried Oribt again, as that is usually my tool of choice and it just sits there trying to connect to the file - I've filed a but report with Orbit in case it's something they can 'fix'.

Thanks for the suggestion,

DVD-Boy

Out of interest has anyone had any luck archiving the flash videos on StarWars.com?

Not knowing how well specced the series will be when it arrives on BD / DVD, I've tried to save off the audio commentaries etc, but so far no luck.