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#1166252
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Thing is, in the OT they had just started to tell the story, so no backstory is needed. When you’re listening to someone telling a fairy tale, and they start saying: “Once upon a time there was an empire…” you don’t immediately ask where did the Empire come from, because it’s a given now. You know it’s there, it’s part of the story.

Now, if in that story, at the end of it the Empire is destroyed, and then a couple of years later someone decides to tell you a sequel to that story and start by saying: “once upon a time there was an empire…” again, it’ll leave you wondering: “wait a sec, wasn’t the Empire destroyed?? How did this happen???” And if the person telling the story doesn’t give you an explanation I think it’d be reasonable to think it’s some sort of plot hole in the story.

The prequel trilogy wasn’t needed because it’s a prequel. But if the OT had been released after having 3 movies set before the PT where a bad Empire was destroyed, and you basically have another bad Empire without explanation, people would be upset, and the PT would be necessary.

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#1166230
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

So I just watched The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises back to back, and I think that if TLJ treated Luke the same way TDKR treats Batman, TLJ Luke would be much more acceptable to me.

For example, at the end of both TLJ and TDKR, the older hero passes on the torch to the pupil, but while in TDKR Batman wins the war and finally provides peace a second time, Luke… just passes on the torch and says “hey boyos, now that I’ve given you guys hope please clean it up!!”

No.

I actually really liked the idea. Too bad you didn’t. Care to explain?

By the way, I know it’s extremely different because Batman is the protagonist of TDKR while Luke isn’t the protagonist of TLJ, but I think that approach was still viable if they wanted to.

The other big obvious difference is that we’re talking about a part 3 vs. a part 2.

Most importantly, though, Batman doesn’t “win the war” and “finally provide peace.” He just defeated this specific threat (with the help of others). There’s no suggestion whatsoever that there will be peace in Gotham from here on out. In fact, it’s made quite clear there won’t be, otherwise what’s the point of him passing the torch to JGL?

What I mean is, Luke could’ve done something more concrete as opposed to just giving hope. For him to have a great and ultimate concrete victory would not only give his death scene a lot more weight when it came (and I’m not saying to change that, it could stay just the same in the exact same spot in the film), but it could make the FO the guys on the run instead of the Resistance in IX, shaking things up a bit, and it would’ve been really cool too.

The comparison between TDKR and TLJ was drawn because I remembered Bruce coming out of the pit after failing miserably and winning a battle while sacrificing himself without sacrificing himself, as opposed to Luke doing the exact same thing except he doesn’t concretely win the battle. I guess that’s what I’m trying to say. Luke did everything Batman did, but he didn’t win. He still went out as a loser. Sure it was an amazing scene where he beat Kylo mentally in one of the most extraordinary and beautiful moments of the saga, and he might have philosophically won, but it’d be like if at the end of TDKR, even though Batman sacrificed himself and saved Gotham, Bane just came back and continued being the overwhelming powerful force that controls the city. So what Batman did technically didn’t affect anything, but it shook everyone’s spirit.

But yeah, I guess it’d impossible. Glad I’m not a screenwriter for Lucasfilm I suppose.

And with saying Bane comes back, again this is where the fact that we’re talking about a part 3 vs part 2 is important. And Catwoman was the one who took out Bane anyway.

I agree with this.

Luke did win the battle though, he finally allowed the Resistance to escape which was literally the whole goal of the Resistance for the entire film.

But I think that what Luke did was more Batman saving Gotham than actually winning the fight. But then it goes back to not being Luke’s story anymore and that the grand battle should be in the next movie, not on this one. (Part 2 vs Part 3)

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#1166211
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

Well if SKB eats a sun then right after the sun is eaten theoretically everyone should die.

I feel like that the idea for the Starkiller weapon was originally conceived as “this laser destroys suns in remote systems, thus killing those planets too,” but this was probably changed as it’s a lot less straightforward.

I don’t really have a problem with that, though. I don’t mind inconsistencies with the physics in Star Wars, even though sometimes it does get a bit absurd, like everyone seeing the Republic being destroyed from another star system in TFA. But I didn’t really care about that either, so there’s that.

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#1166209
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

So I just watched The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises back to back, and I think that if TLJ treated Luke the same way TDKR treats Batman, TLJ Luke would be much more acceptable to me.

For example, at the end of both TLJ and TDKR, the older hero passes on the torch to the pupil, but while in TDKR Batman wins the war and finally provides peace a second time, Luke… just passes on the torch and says “hey boyos, now that I’ve given you guys hope please clean it up!!”

No.

I actually really liked the idea. Too bad you didn’t. Care to explain?

By the way, I know it’s extremely different because Batman is the protagonist of TDKR while Luke isn’t the protagonist of TLJ, but I think that approach was still viable if they wanted to.

The other big obvious difference is that we’re talking about a part 3 vs. a part 2.

Most importantly, though, Batman doesn’t “win the war” and “finally provide peace.” He just defeated this specific threat (with the help of others). There’s no suggestion whatsoever that there will be peace in Gotham from here on out. In fact, it’s made quite clear there won’t be, otherwise what’s the point of him passing the torch to JGL?

What I mean is, Luke could’ve done something more concrete as opposed to just giving hope. For him to have a great and ultimate concrete victory would not only give his death scene a lot more weight when it came (and I’m not saying to change that, it could stay just the same in the exact same spot in the film), but it could make the FO the guys on the run instead of the Resistance in IX, shaking things up a bit, and it would’ve been really cool too.

The comparison between TDKR and TLJ was drawn because I remembered Bruce coming out of the pit after failing miserably and winning a battle while sacrificing himself without sacrificing himself, as opposed to Luke doing the exact same thing except he doesn’t concretely win the battle. I guess that’s what I’m trying to say. Luke did everything Batman did, but he didn’t win. He still went out as a loser. Sure it was an amazing scene where he beat Kylo mentally in one of the most extraordinary and beautiful moments of the saga, and he might have philosophically won, but it’d be like if at the end of TDKR, even though Batman sacrificed himself and saved Gotham, Bane just came back and continued being the overwhelming powerful force that controls the city. So what Batman did technically didn’t affect anything, but it shook everyone’s spirit.

But yeah, I guess it’d impossible. Glad I’m not a screenwriter for Lucasfilm I suppose.

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#1166020
Topic
What song lyrics inspire you to look forward to seeing the sun every day life allows you to?
Time

Sunrise doesn’t last all morning
A cloudburst doesn’t last all day
Seems my love is up
And has left you with no warning
But it’s not always going
To be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away

Sunset doesn’t last all evening
A mind can blow those clouds away
After all this my love is up
And must be leaving
But it’s not always going
To be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away

All things must pass
None of life’s strings can last
So I must be on my way
And face another day

Now the darkness only stays at night time
In the morning it will fade away
Daylight is good
At arriving at the right time
But it’s not always going
To be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away
All things must pass
All things must pass away

George Harrison - All Things Must Pass