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I just don’t understand why people love their guns so madly that they can’t listen to reason or logic.
Well, that’s half of the frustration. What we’re ultimately talking about here is an entertainment device.
That’s not its primary function though. The idea that people made a killing machine designed to kill an entertainment device is absolutely beyond me.
Is it ever going to end?
I feel like I’ve been a bitter dick recently so I probably won’t be posting again till the end of the week.
Listening to Classics, by She & Him. Very good. I’m a fan of their “We’ll Meet Again”.
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The 29 was added by soundcloud automatically it’s not a part of my artistic name or anything lol
It is for me sister!
Anchorhead said:
That’s incorrect.
https://youtu.be/sx15aXjcDZgI really don’t see how being influenced by a dozen old movies is in any way comparable to blantantly recycling story elements, structure, and visuals from the same movie series.
It’s not, nor was I addressing that issue. I was responding specifically to Collipso saying “Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever”. In fact, it ripped off several films. For the record; I’m not bothered by that. Not now, not in 1977.
Regarding your claim that TFA recycled elements from the OT; I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who doesn’t see that to be the case. There are all sorts of parallels between the OT and the ST. The differences seem to be more about the level at which people are bothered by them.
I would be fine if that were the case, but I don’t believe it is. Some posters here conflate recycling Star Wars tropes with being influenced by other film makers, and works of fiction, thus arguing in a sense, that the current creators are more or less doing what Lucas did in 1977. Lucas’ Star Wars wasn’t original in their view, because he was obviously influenced by many sources while making the first film, and it’s sequels. The current creators are doing the same thing, theu argue, but they just happened to be influenced by Star Wars movies. My argument is Lucas didn’t invent the ingredients, but he did invent a new and original recipe, and one that has resulted in some very tasty meals, while the current creators deliberately used Lucas’ recipe and added a few twists to disguise the fact that they couldn’t come up with a new recipe. The meal might still be edible, but it’s just so similar to Lucas’ recipe, that I can’t shake the notion, that I’ve tasted far better versions of it in the past.
Brilliant.
Anchorhead said:
That’s incorrect.
https://youtu.be/sx15aXjcDZgI really don’t see how being influenced by a dozen old movies is in any way comparable to blantantly recycling story elements, structure, and visuals from the same movie series.
It’s not, nor was I addressing that issue. I was responding specifically to Collipso saying “Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever”. In fact, it ripped off several films. For the record; I’m not bothered by that. Not now, not in 1977.
Regarding your claim that TFA recycled elements from the OT; I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who doesn’t see that to be the case. There are all sorts of parallels between the OT and the ST. The differences seem to be more about the level at which people are bothered by them.
I think we disagree on the meaning of ripoff. Am I wrong in every way? Perhaps. I just don’t think that taking some very few elements from several different sources and things that influenced you and joining them together to create something unique and original is a good example of a ripoff. And that’s disregarding every 100% original aspect of Star Wars and Empire.
On the other hand I do think that recycling the plot, the visuals, and pretty much everything from another movie is a ripoff if not marketed as a soft reboot (much like what Dre said) and therefore TFA totally qualifies as that. TLJ too but not as much. The TLJ throne room scene left me astonished, for example, literally copying and pasting dialogue from RotJ. Except it doesn’t really work, because the characters don’t have any reason whatsoever to believe in what they’re saying, very different from RotJ Vader and Luke. Oh well.
yeah it’s pretty great hahaha
That could be amazing…but I would lose something. Watching the OT (on television) as a child and then growing up to build on that understanding is probably more fun than only watching them as an adult would be. And I like being on the right side of the Ewok Line.
I would like to forget all about TLJ so I can watch it and give my hot takes all over again.
That’s true.
Lol HIMYM.
And I loved the discussions we had on the TLJ thread. Of course my favorite being RotJ pigmen.
Would you guys forget everything you know about Star Wars only to experience it again for the first time?
I’m not sure if I would, I have too much knowledge about it that i wouldn’t want to give up on I think.
I need to wake up in six hours. I’ll probably only get about 5 or 4 hours of sleep though - I’ll procrastinate for over an hour and do something useful like homework or a research project for 20min. Then I’ll sleep.
Less is more sometimes, don’t worry about runtime. And really liked the 12min. Great job!
Indeed. It’s still 12:00 AM here. What time is it at your timezone guys?
Not a specific album, but most songs by Jacob Martin 29 on SoundCloud. Simply brilliant. Did a school project while listening to it - quality music. Love it.
The Dark Side of That’s No Moon
Ok so even though the novelization is almost an entire different story, people are still going to use it as an excuse to, say, Luke’s characterization, for example. Great.
What?
Hyperbole at its best. It just has been a somewhat stressful month of February.
The thing is the novelization is providing much more insight into things such as character motivations and actions and backstory and the movie should’ve done that too. But it didn’t and people are going to say “go read the novel!”
Ok so even though the novelization is almost an entire different story, people are still going to use it as an excuse to, say, Luke’s characterization, for example. Great.
Frink is just teasing.
This thread is for sharing any horrible cover art you’ve come across.
Cool dude.
I wasn’t talking about you, Dom.
Come on man. That’s how I got banned and I wasn’t even talking about a space movie.
You’re right, I just think we shouldn’t stop treating people like people because they like a movie you don’t. This site was built out of love not hate.
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You guys have to be joking.
To defend the ST you guys are now saying that the original Star Wars wasn’t original. The movie was literally something never seen before. People had seen several of the elements separately, yes, like Dre and Frink said, but never together, never something like that. Heck, before McQuarrie people thought Lucas was insane with his imageless crazy ideas. It was absolutely unique.
TLJ and TFA have basically ripped off their predecessors. Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever. Star Wars’ story might be similar to The Hobbit, for example, but it’s because they follow the Hero’s Journey. And I think that the Hero’s Journey is the natural progression of most everyman hero stories, so I definitely don’t consider Luke’s story a ripoff.
One can argue that RotJ has way too similar beats to Star Wars but I disagree. Especially now that we have TFA and TLJ to compare for ripoff levels.
“Originality is overrated” speak for yourself. I, for example, value an original idea not that well executed more than that same old idea we’ve seen before done decently.
Everything right here. And again people, I enjoy the ST but oh well, I guess my flaw isn’t real enough of one to have any importance to my own view of the films.
This. I just think the ST is extremely overrated so I come off as a hater.
You guys have to be joking.
To defend the ST you guys are now saying that the original Star Wars wasn’t original. The movie was literally something never seen before. People had seen several of the elements separately, yes, like Dre and Frink said, but never together, never something like that. Heck, before McQuarrie people thought Lucas was insane with his imageless crazy ideas. It was absolutely unique.
TLJ and TFA have basically ripped off their predecessors. Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever. Star Wars’ story might be similar to The Hobbit, for example, but it’s because they follow the Hero’s Journey. And I think that the Hero’s Journey is the natural progression of most everyman hero stories, so I definitely don’t consider Luke’s story a ripoff.
One can argue that RotJ has way too similar beats to Star Wars but I disagree. Especially now that we have TFA and TLJ to compare for ripoff levels.
“Originality is overrated” speak for yourself. I, for example, value an original idea not that well executed more than that same old idea we’ve seen before done decently.
That’s nothing to do with what I said but ok.
I just used your reasoning for those who don’t like the story the ST tells against those who don’t like the story the PT tells.