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caligulathegod said: I never got a copy of the Miami BE PAL.

That is on fanedit.info and apprarently with the extras added, if you want it.  If you upload the Miami ROTJ PAL we might look into converting that to NTSC.

What do you mean by the sound post-correction?  All I have ever done with a true PAL to NTSC conversion is run the audio through a program such as eac3to.  I suppose it might be more complicated if many audio sources have been used, but if they were all PAL or at least converted to the right speed for PAL properly, I do not see why it should not be as simple as running the completed PAL audio through a program such as eac3to.  Perhaps I am missing something.

ChainsawAsh said:

So the Jedi deleted scene was on the 2004 DVDs?  I must have missed that.

I never said anything of the kind. 

Anyway, it was nice to see the scene.  Let us hope it is in good quality on the BD and move on.

Look again.  :-)  You might have to hunt back a bit, but the last time I looked the releases were still there.  So far there is G-Force's ANH created with the new script, and dark_jedi's old versions created with an older form of the script.

avoidz said:Isn't Lucas holding Vadar's OOT blooper lightsaber in that pic? :p

I think Mickey has Obi-wan's...

 even though it was the first release for such a film?

It is not the first release for these films.  I have rarely come across films that have previously been released on DVD that have had many HD extras, and I have rarely if ever seen HD deleted scenes. 

digitalfreaknyc said: I'm well aware of that. 

Well you brought it up as if to draw a distinction between this BD release and others, which I fail to see.  We all know they are new extras.  I am just doubtful as to the quality that they will be released in, based on past experience.

digitalfreaknyc said: There's more than one quack in that picture.

Somebody certainly looks goofy...

digitalfreaknyc said:

 That's typically for films that were originally released on DVD.  They just re-use the extras.

Well, all the Star Wars films were released on DVD, so I fully expect the extras to be re-used and some new ones added.  I hope you are right, but I would not assume anything.

digitalfreaknyc said: I'd pretty much bet on them being 1080p.

You are braver than I am if you take that bet!  In my experience, Blu-ray extras are rarely in 1080p - theatrical trailers sometimes are if you are lucky, but more often than not they are in SD.

Sluggo said:  Would you rather them restore the scenes? If they are just releasing a raw capture, maybe we can do something with them.

Yes; but deleted scenes are frequently released in the most appalling quality.  I have seen many that are so bad that -- even as someone who is always interested in seeing little moments, good or bad, in a film's development  -- they have been painful to watch.   Adywan is right.  There needs to be some form of minimal studio restoration if they are to stand any chance of being used in any form of fan-edit beyond one of Jambe's Davdar's excellent making-of documentaries.  If they are released in relatively good quality non-anamorphic widescreen with half-decent stereo audio, I will be pleasantly surprised...

SilverWook said:

Thanks for exhuming that vile and ugly old phrase from the past, Sunday. We can have civil discussions and disagreements on this board without it.

I entirely agree.  The phrase is so extreme and unnecessary, and I find it more than a little disturbing.

Nerfherder said:I cant believe some people here have the time/nothing better to do then go through lines of dialogue in all three films working out how this was (in their minds) pieced together...

You cannot believe that?  I read similar examples of such anal retentiveness here on an almost daily basis lol.

CO said:

Always cool to see deleted scenes from a SW movie.  After seeing these movies a zillion times, to see something totally new after all these years is very eerie.

That is how I feel about the scene too.  It is very interesting.  I agree with Zombie84 that it looks like Hamill. 

MagnoliaFan said:

I would bet he probably shot it and forgot all about it.

Years ago, I was at these rehearsal sessions for the Halloween recording of Alien Voices with Leonard Nimoy and he was performing "The Cask of Amontillado".  I commented to him that I hadn't heard him sound that sinister since Galvatron in Transformers the Movie.  After a while, he vaguely started to remember it and said he recorded the whole session for the film in like 2 hours and had never given it another thought.

Thank you for sharing that.  As a Transformers and a Nimoy fan, I find the anecdote priceless, and it effectively illustrates how easy it is for people to err in their recollections after many years.

I took Palpatine's line as meaning no more than Luke was following in his father's footsteps, and have never had a problem with it.  Like Yoda, in the OT Palpatine never uses a lightsaber, so it does not sound strange that he would make a general reference to one with a tone that implies a lack of personal familiarity with one.  I was almost as disappointed that Palpatine used a lightsaber in the prequels as I was that Yoda did.

Possessed, I found time to give this a watch.  Here is some quick feedback.  I hope you find it useful.

Could the shot of Oola at about 08.20 be longer?  It seems too quick.

When Luke delivers the line ending "... a gift, these two droids", the shot of Threepio and Artoo looks out of place, as Threepio seems surprised.  Could you remove this?

Jedi lacks a capital in the subtitle, "There will be no bargain, young Jedi." and later at 17:40.  You probably know this, but it is better be sure.  Wookie should have a capital in the subtitle at about 09.30.

I found the cut at 09:04 too abrupt. 

I have never liked the shots of Boba Fett and girls at 09:45 and 10:20.  Could these be removed?

I do not feel the cuts to the beginning of the thermal detonator sequence quite come off, although the one at the end is good.

You need a comma before Solo at 10:14.

I hate the SE Sarlac beast. :-(  Most of the trims to the fight sequence work, but I do not like the one that comes just before 26:00.  It is the audio: music can be a pain.

I like the trimming of the shuttle sequence, but the cut at 42:42 is too abrupt - visually.  The audio seems to go out of sync about three-quarters of an hour in.

Could you cut, "Then my father is truly dead..."?  It would enhance yout attempt to change the feel of this sequence slightly, and I think it would work.  If so, you could cut the close up of Vader at 59:50, so we only see him looking pensive - if that is possible! - at the end of the scene.

I like how you cut the Threepio as deity and the whole flying chair episode, but the cut after Artoo is released to Leia and Han embracing is too abrupt. 

Are you cutting the 2004 SE celebrations throughout the Empire and removing Hayden as the ghost of Anakin?  I hate both of those SE changes.

For future reference, the AVI should be 23.976fps not 29.97.  I know it this only a quick preview, but even for 600MB it looks pretty bad.

Overall, there is some impressive work and fine ideas here.  I shall really look forward to the DVD.

Rogue Leader said:

I think it's relevant actually.

I agree with almost everything you say about ROTJ, but this thread is about Episode V.

It is a bit of a shame if Ady cannot restore the line we were talking about, but it is not a big deal.

The more I watch Puggo's 16mm restoration, the more I like the colors.  They look really good in those three screenshots.

vbangle said:

G-Force hasn't even logged in since July. Anybody know how to get in touch with him?

If so please pass along our well wishes and let him know he's missed.

Vbangle said it perfectly.  It would be nice to see G-Force posting again.

Go to fanedit.info.  There are many versions from which to choose.  I do not know which red herrings you mean, but you will find a version to suit you at fanedit.info.

edited- doubleofive beat me to it.

Rogue Leader, that is a fascinating article, but it has nothing to do with ESB:R.  If you posted it in general Star Wars discussion, I would love to discuss it there!

caligulathegod said:The actual authoring is the same (Boon23 helped me out here).  The feature, however on the dual layer is less compressed than the single layer (two and a half hour film plus all the DVDRom stuff was pretty compressed).  Other than the PAL to NTSC resizing, it is the same bitrate as the original PAL.  Also, the dual layer version was actually slowed down from 25fps to 23.976 so the audio doesn't sound sped up.  The single layer version was converted using the method that keeps the original sound.  I then pitch corrected the individual commentaries that were actually already at the correct speed but now slowed down.  I also denoised and depopped the soundtrack manually.

I think the issue is clarified (slightly) here.  JediTray was sort of right that proper NTSC authoring was not done. (Sorry for my earlier post, JediTray!)  I have never heard of "the other method" that keeps the audio the same.  I have only performed proper PAL-to-NTSC conversions that slow down and re-encode the audio.  I cannot see why anyone would do this any other way, as the other way is not a proper PAL conversion, but there you go.

If JediTray really did obtain his copy from fanedit.info, it seems to be that the single layer one caligulathegod mentioned was uploaded there.  The "3 RS NTSC" entry there points to a link called jambedavdar_returningtojedi_NTSC_SL_DVD.rar, and I cannot see a dual-layer entry there.

Neither did I!  JediTray seemed to suggest that he had a problem with the PAL-to-NTSC conversion of RTJ though.

Sorry, Frink!  I cannot edit as fast as you post. Lol!

edit (again) - see what I mean!

So the upshot is that the IFO hack that Moth3r mentioned cannot explain why JediTray is having problems, unless the same was done on RTJ.

TV's Frink said:

Hang on a sec, isn't JediTray talking about RTJ rather than BE?  Why are we talking about the Miami version?

Is he, Frink?  Going back to post 1237, the discussion seems to be about BE.

I am confused!

edited - No; you are right.  In post 1244, he says BE does not suffer from this, so he must mean RTJ.  My mistake!

TV's Frink said:
DL NTSC (RS)

If I remember correctly, "complete" means the extras are included on that Miami version.

Somebody must have added them in then, as the original was definitely without extras.  The DL NTSC is news to me.  It seems someone must have already converted the Miami to NTSC.  As far I remember, the original NTSC was a single-layer only, though I might be wrong about that.