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NeonBible said: Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit

 If the figure given for the output sampling rate is accurate, I would appreciate a copy.

It's on Usenet.  Do PM me if you need any help.  :-)

Yes.  That's the one.

The screenshots are from the new cap.  It does look good.

By the way, the screenshots aren't showing up because image tags work differently on this forum.  See the help section.

I'm frustrated, rather than hostile, because I find it hard to work out what you're saying half the time because you rarely write in sentences, which makes it harder to get your tone, which I often find brusque.  I saw that post but wasn't sure whether you were obliquely saying that we were barking up the wrong tree or suggesting a course of action.  Obviously, it's now clear that it's the former.

dvdmike said:That was kinda my point, I remember it being more Cameron blue (not TEAL!) than brown of the HDTV

I'm afraid I don't see where you made that point (at least with any clarity), nor do I see how it bears on mine.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:So nor it is any HDTV version, isn't true?

Of course!  Perhaps I should have said: "...any version we currently have..."  I'll edit my post.  My point is that none of us, as far as I am aware, are in a position to know what the original colors were, so there are no "right" colors to which we have access.  We either keep the colors of the new cap, which will undoubtedly be the main source for a custom version, or correct it to give an aesthetically pleasing (but not theatrically accurate) result.

    _,,,^..^,,,_ said:  the question is: which is the RIGHT color grading?

I don't think any of us are currently in a position to know, so I see no point in assuming that any version we currently have is accurate.  Why not either color-correct the extended scenes to match the new cap and insert them or color-correct the whole film to something that most of us like aesthetically?

Is the DTS-ES from the Chinese DVD the best audio source?  Fortunately, it's full bitrate – at least according to dvdcompare.   If I had a copy, I would be willing to start work on a script cutting the new cap to fit it.  We could take the extended scenes from elsewhere.  I'm willing to bet that Andrea would be willing to help with color correction.

I hate to be "that guy", but I do wish that people would not resample the audio.

• If the issue is that the guide track is 48 kHz, one can resample that track to 44.1 kHz and discard it after editing.
• If the issue is BD compatibility, people can either resample it themselves or two tracks (one that has been resampled and one that hasn't) can be released.

Moreover, resampling before release stops people from using better methods if/when they become available.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:"In media stat virtus"

Ita vero.  But I would favor a mix closer to the new colors over a 50:50 mix (which is what yours looks like at first glance).

While the new cap might have Cameronized colors, the old one has a nasty pink look (a bit like Aliens had) and is not ideal either, so I'll take the new.

A decent capture of the theatrical version would still be useful.  The extended scenes could be taken from other sources.

The HDTV cap has burnt-in subs.  I don't know if they're the theatrical ones or not.

Your sample works on a Toshiba BDX3300 and a Sony BDP-S370.  The problem is your stand-alone player.

The problem that tsMuxeR has with b-frames occurs only with streams that have both b-frames and pulldown, which is not the case with your encoding; however, I wouldn't use it either.

Why are you still feeding multiAVCHD?  Just mux the elementary stream with EasyBD Lite and see if this works.

I really am at loss as to why you're still experiencing problems.  Perhaps your PS3 is faulty or needs a firmware update or something.

Those spikes in Bitrate Viewer are nothing to worry about because they don't take the current buffer level into account.  Just ignore them.  There is another reason why your encodes are not playing on the PS3.  Can you try them on another PS3?

How did you make your test BD?  Did you use the command-line I gave above?  If not, just try it.

How are you determining that there are bitrate spikes?  If it's by using a bitrate viewer, then be aware that they are often unreliable.  You shouldn't have a problem with bitrate spikes because x264 is very good at respecting the maximum bitrate.

In that case, the heading needs to be changed.  It's confusing and led me to the conclusion that the AR of Star Trek III had been altered on BD.

And I don't see the point in such a list because the two things being listed have nothing in common beyond the fact that they involve aspect ratio.

It belongs in the other thread then.  What's on the BD is not an alteration.

What's altered about Star Trek III's AR?

MeGUI occasionally gives me problems too.  That's why I use the command-line.  I always download the latest version from here.

This is the sort of command-line I use.

x264 --pass 1 --bitrate xxxxx --bluray-compat --level 4.1 --preset slow  --tune film --keyint 24 --sar 1:1 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --b-pyramid none --weightp 0 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --merange 24 --stats ".stats" --output NUL "onput.avs"
x264 --pass 2 --bitrate xxxxx --bluray-compat --level 4.1 --preset slow  --tune film --keyint 24 --sar 1:1 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --b-pyramid none --weightp 0 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --merange 24 --stats ".stats" --output "output.264" "input.avs"

You can use the slower profiles if you like.

Re: --open gop

If the switch is not in the command-line, the GOPs are closed.

Re: --tune grain

It is not usually recommended for BD, so use --tune film.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I don't think so...we are in a preservation forum, and it will be interesting for us to know if there are open matte version of our preferred movie; even if 1.78:1 open matte is not the intended aspect ratio, sometimes "more is more"... (^^,)

Also, if there are some P&S BD versions they MUST be listed here!

I agree with mumbles3k here, Andrea.  Unless you change your criteria, you will end up with an all-encompassing list that will not be of any use to anyone.

Why must P&S (in the original sense) BDs (if they exist) be listed?  If your list is only for altered AR on BD, you should remove the open-matte Gladiator because it's from HDTV.  If it's for any film that has ever had its AR altered, then you will have a list of almost every film ever made.

A list of open-matte versions that people like is a good idea, but I think that it should be a separate thread and that you should work out what you want to do with this one.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:Well, as I'd like to use multiAVCHD (now that I understood how to use it), I think EasyBD should not be used anymore, right?

Yes.  I wondered why you were using it when you were using multiAVCHD.

For encoding, I used... please don't shoot me... VirtualDub

Bang!

Stop using VirtualDub.  You should use the command-line because compared to all the other stuff you do it's a piece of cake.  If you must use a GUI, use MeGUI.