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#1227211
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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^ Yes, I remember all of that. I was there too. The fact that most people might not notice a loss of sync is neither here nor there – as a community, we’ve always tried to ensure quality control and get things right that nobody else would notice (or care about). We’re not Lucasfilm.

And one can just as easily say that hardly anybody will notice that a frame or two has been dropped from a film scan to ensure NTSC GOUT-sync. It won’t be noticeable in motion, so why not maintain a standard that’s worked successfully for so long?

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#1227155
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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CatBus said:
Not entirely true. There was a time when some dubs and subs were PAL-synced for ROTJ, but that time was short-lived and the transition was painful.

In that case, what I (obviously) meant was that they were never routinely synced to the PAL GOUT – the overall point remains unchanged. The PAL GOUT was never used as a standard in the way that the NTSC GOUT is/was. A painful transition sounds as if it is something that ought not to be repeated.

schorman13 said:

It’s not necessarily true that lossy audio tracks could not be conformed to a new standard that includes more frames, especially when those frames occur at reel transitions. One could simply split the ac3 track at the appropriate position and insert a silent ac3 frame before rejoining. Now, this would not be a perfect solution, as Dolby digital uses an audio frame rate of 31.25 fps, while the film runs at 23.976 FPS.

The result for a single missing frame is that the audio is off by roughly 0.232 frames, rather than a whole frame. This would arguably be a “good enough” compromise for many of the tracks. This would work especially well in the case of Star Wars as that bit of silent audio would not be noticeable for the affected reel transition. However, it is admittedly more problematic for the two missing frames in ROTJ, as those do not occur at a reel transition.

That’s all true, but the potential for confusion is considerable. At present, people can swap audio and subtitles from release to release without worrying about sync issues – for a fan community dispersed around the globe, that’s a major achievement in terms of standardization. Even commercial discs occasionally have sync issues.

Imagine the problems that might be caused if we adopt a new standard. Is someone going to go through and re-sync every foreign language dub? You’re competent to make this sort of adjustment, but not everyone is. Inevitably, someone will mess up. And there will be endless questions about whether or not the adjustment has been made for a given track or whether a certain project follows the old standard or the new. All this for a frame or two? It’s not worth it.

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#1227111
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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Syncing to the NTSC GOUT ought to remain the standard because the many audio and subtitles tracks that have been synced over the years adhere to it – re-syncing them all is neither feasible nor necessary. It doesn’t matter at all that the GOUT is a 4:3 LB DVD based on an old LD transfer, because frame-counts differ from release to release even on modern transfers – all that’s needed is an agreed-upon set of frames to which to sync, and that’s what GOUT sync has achieved.

And the audio and subtitle tracks have never been synced to the PAL GOUT, even for RotJ. Projects that used the PAL GOUT as a video source were usually careful to conform to the NTSC version – those that didn’t tended to come about through oversights, rather than through conscious decisions to depart from the standard.

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#1226249
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The GOUT Sync Thread
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^ Not that I’m aware of! I had toyed with the idea of making such scripts but never got round to it. After scan-based releases emerged, I lost most of my interest in projects based on the SE.

There was one project years ago that wove back and forth between the 2004 (I think) SE and the GOUT, but I can’t remember what it was called or if a script was ever released. Maybe someone will remember it.

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#1214669
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4k77 - shot by shot color grading
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Williarob said:
I’m guessing that the slight pink push that appears on Reel 1 (but is not part of Dre’s LUT) is the result of the PC -> TV levels or sRGB -> rec 709 colorspace conversion, as I didn’t deliberately alter his colors at all.

It might be the latter – I’ll try to investigate that. I don’t think it’s the former. As usual, I checked the levels. Blacks seem to be where they should be, and the whites come close to the edge of the TV range but never go beyond it (or look clipped).

Levels

Is the pink push only on Reel 1, Williarob?

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#1210988
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4k77 released
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Yeah, the mono from the print ended up on the SSE, but it had had heavy noise reduction applied. I’d hoped that it might be possible to process the raw audio from the print and improve on the VHS-sourced version, but nothing’s happened so far. It’s really frustrating that we don’t have a better source.

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#1149970
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Mega Pro Plans
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YoungJaaron said:
Thank you very much, but how would I go about doing either of these things?

Google “MegaDownloader” and/or “VPN”.

YoungJaaron said: What causes the download limit?

Mega imposes it.

YoungJaaron said: Does buying the Pro Plans not work?

I’m sure it does work.

YoungJaaron said: Also, I’m halfway through downloading all of the files (47 left to go). Is there a way to start using MegaDownloader without having to restart all of my progress?

Once you get hold of MegaDownloader, you should be able to work out how to download files selectively.

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#1143809
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Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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AntcuFaalb said:

Guys, we have a new winner for The Sword in the Stone!

The Amazon WEB-DL is 1080p, has no logo, and fewer artifacts than the best HDTVrips around; better bitrate too.

Where is this WEB-DL to be found? There are a few of them floating around on Usenet, and I’m not sure which one people think is the best. Any info would be appreciated. NeverarGreat and I are trying to track down the one mentioned earlier in the thread.

EDIT: Got it! A big thank you to those who helped us out!