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No this was like last month. My guess is that the Master they made for the Bluray was not intended to be screened and when a DCP was asked for they just gave them what they had because of lazyness.

There’s also a bunch of odd reframes, there that POV shot of gandalf in Bag End which looks fine on the TE but has a weird vingette edge on the left side in the EE for no reason. Very odd indeed.

Like i say its a very lazy remaster, I’d hope that the inevidable 4K release goes back to the neg and DI and does it again.

Hardcore Legend said:
Ok, but we just have to assume that because she knew who Luke Skywalker was?

We dont have to assume that, we can deduce that through the evidence shown through the text.

So how did she know that Jedi can control minds. Just look at the film and the most likely answer is that since she knew OF the Jedi she probably knew what the Jedi could do. In TFA she get excited when she hears the name Luke Skywalker, Its a moment of “I know that guy and everything about him”, we can deduce that she’s heard the stories and knows them back to front. In TLJ She says the force is for “Lifting rocks” without ever seeing a Jedi lift rocks. Rey is basically an In universe star wars fan.

Collipso said:

if we’re looking at the actual big picture, VIII and VII have to be in line with the original 6, which in several aspects, they’re not, which breaks the immersion for several people.

Why does it need to “Line up”? What do people want? A complete retread or something new and interesting. The fact that they are using these movies to explore themes and ideas outside of the scope of these films is a good thing. Heck only two of them are considered “Genuinely good cinema”.

If we want to look at story continuity, The PT and the OT share almost no narrative cohesion. OT is the hero’s Journey a’la Joseph Campbell. The PT is a shakespearian tragedy. Very different stories and that’s totally fine.

If anything the ST is more like the OT than the PT ever was. Its the Heroes Journey but with a whole bunch more subtext and metanarative.

Hardcore Legend said:
I watched TFA again the other day on TBS and I disagree even more now. Unless knowledge of how to use the force transferred to her from her mind link with Kylo, the simple fact that she on her own thought to use the Jedi mind trick needs some sort of explanation…unless I am forgetting something. Like, you don’t just come up with a Jedi force skill out of thin air at exactly the moment you need it. She doesn’t have to be a Skywalker, she doesn’t have to have a lineage of importance, but she has to have had some training early in life.

She knew about the Jedi, that much we know. And I’m sure that knowlege of the Jedi included what kind of powers they had such as the Jedi mind trick. She probably thought “Hey the force let me get inside Kylo’s head, let’s try it on this guy”.

Anchorhead said:
For a great many fans, adding to the story is preferable to rewriting it.

Which as absolutly not what TLJ does. Nothing is rewriten.

We’re just looking at it from a different perspective. It’s the film that finally says Hey maybe the Jedi were wrong. Maybe the status quo of the galaxy needs to change if we need to truly stop the empire. Maybe the way to win is not through heroes and warriors but ordinary people like Rose and Finn and that kid with the broom. And the film ends with both sides being right, yes the Jedi sucked but they dont have to. Yeah one guy swinging a laser sword cant bring down the First order, but the idea or the legend of him could.

I liken it to Captain America Civil war, which challenges the ideas around Heros and their place in society. Should Superhero’s be able to do what they want in order to solve the worlds problems or should they be accountable as part of society. And it ends not on a Definitive answer but more of a “Yes, but”. Like all good questions there are no black and white answers.

The fact is RJ went out of his way to make a Star Wars film that challenged everything we know about star wars. About the force, the Jedi, the roles of heroes and villains, politics and economics. It’s very deliberate. And for that reason some people hate it, others think its the best film since Empire.

I think all these nit picks about Jedi training and power levels and admirals not sharing plans with captains are kind of missing the big picture.

DrDre said:

Yes, except for the fact that Anakin went through a decade of Jedi training, and still failed to become the Jedi, he was supposed to be. The prequels put the entire concept of believing in prophesies in doubt, and reinforce the idea, that allways in motion is the future.

Sure, but like Rey he was pretty gifted when we first met him.

I think there is a question that people aren’t asking, which is “What exactly is Jedi training”. I don’t think Jedi training is about moving rocks or lightsaber technique. I think Jedi training is more about indoctrination. The Jedi are a religion, and like most religions, you have to start them young so they understand the world they way you need them to, because Jedi in the Jedi Order are basically celebate monks. Thats why the council rejected Anakin, too old to indoctrinate, and they were right. The jedi don’t spend 10 years learning how to fight and move rocks. Their lessons are basically learning about the force and how to understand it better, but understand it the way the Jedi want them to.

You could also say that things like moving rocks or deflecting laser bolts are pretty much the Jedi traning 101, in EpII we see kids deflecting blaster bolts, they probably can lift brooms as well with not much traning. Anakin didn’t need training to use his force powers to Fly Pods. Luke didn’t get much training to learn how to grab his saber and to use the force to blow up the death star.

Lukes training in Degoba wasn’t about lifting rocks, he could do that without much of an issue, but to understand why he could lift rocks. What he needed to learn about the force and how it connects to the universe.

Is Rey faster and more powerful than Luke and Anakin? sure, but I don’t see this being without precident.

Rey gets her trainig the same way you teach a child to swim, throw them in the deep end. Kylo’s probing of her mind taught her how to fight back, which taught her how to influence that storm troopers mind. She’s as powerful as the narrative needs her to be. It would have been nice for her to stay longer on the island, sure but I think she gets everything she needs to know for the narrative.

Which is why I find the Rey’s traning argument to be kind of petty and shortsited.

Blutopia has a fanedit section.

Great job on this, I’ve looked at it myself and found that the secondary grading and power windows would make this a challenging regrade.

Another fun note, I recently saw the DCP of the theatrical edition, and on either side of the frame you could see the edges of the film gate stick out around 5% from the edge of the frame. You could tell it was the film gate edges as you could see the dirt and crud stuck to it. You could see it shift in and out between shots that were composited differently. In some shots, like the crows flying towards the fellowship on that hill, you could see where the live action plate ended (with the exposed gate edges) and the CG sky replacement began (which extended out to the edge of the frame). Very very distracting. But what it showed was how rough this work was, the full 2K master would have been done for the Bluray release and not really done for theatrical presentation.

I don’t see any conumdum here. I don’t accept the theory that Palpatine created Anakin, the idea that the force created Anakin in response to Palpatine makes a lot more sense. You could say the same thing about Rey, created by the force in response to Kylo/Snoke. the movie basically tells us this.

Jay said:
The RT audience score stands at 46%. If it only succeeds as a film with people who watch films for a living, it failed.

A self selecting poll heavily brigaded by angry fans. (Just for comparison, TPM has 55% audience rating). Yeah, no that has no basis in reality.

I’ll take something like Cinemascore over that, which is based on actual market research. They give it an A, so its definitely succeeding with the general public.

Collipso said:
and you’re doing exactly what jay described. “as it is supposed to be interpreted”. great.

Well there is an intended interpretation. Filmmakers don’t just throw stuff on the page and hope it all makes sense (ok some do). You can watch a scene and ask “What is the film TRYING to say here, what is the intent.” And it should be pretty clear.

You can make your own interpretations all you want, thats up to the viewer. If the film has a failing its that so many have taken the wrong ideas from it.

Jay said:
I think most disagreements over TLJ originate from people presenting their interpretations of certain scenes as the only valid—and therefore obvious—interpretations, with any interpretations running counter to theirs being completely wrongheaded.

I think thats the thing, if you interpret the film as it is supposed to be interpreted then its a fantastic film. It doesn’t have a 90% RT score and 85 Metacritic score for nothing. People who watch films for a living are capable of seeing its worth, I think that counts for something.

I feel like this is a stupid question, but did audiences know that padme was Amidala?

I know they were promoted as seperate characters but surely people knew that they were played by the same actor.

Edit: Thinking about it more. The film doesn’t tell or show that Padme is Amidala until the reveal, but plenty of scenes and dialogues play out as if the audience knows.

“No need to report that till we have something to report” is probably the worst line in the film, and read so awkwardly.

“Hey George this doesn’t sound right. How about ‘We’ll tell him when we have some good news’ or something”
“No. next line”

I’ve been watching Episode I a lot lately. It’s suprising how sloppy this film is, not just the writing and acting but everything. The lighting, framing, sets and costumes, background action, blocking, editing. This film cost $120 million, many scenes look like they were made for TV.

There’s only one genuinely good performace in this film and thats Pernilla August as Shmi Skywalker.

Why not keep the whole frame for the 3D shots. No need to center cut with the UHD.

Blacks crushed, Highlights blown out, over saturated. You would never release a film print that looked like that. Im going with Pope on this one.

I wouldn’t trust the 35mm scan as far as I could throw it. But there are a lot of clues that suggest the UHD to be closer to the 35mm than the Bluray. Neo’s office exterior shot is blue on the 35mm and blue on the UHD but Green on the bluray.

crissrudd4554 said:
Apparently this has been fixed. If you email Paramount they can send a replacement disc.

This is what bugs me about a lot of these HDR releases, Careless use of power windows.

Heres one from harry potter 7
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=235&y=243&d1=11953&d2=11952&s1=117945&s2=117933&l=0&i=0&go=1

Are these frames on reel changes?

Harmy said:

The idea of the small image over blurred background is to make the low-quality image smaller on a moder large screen, like it would have been on a small CRT back then and yet to keep the screen visually filled like in the original documentary. Then the idea extended into using the same thing for the film footage to make it visually consistent and again fill the screen, like the original documentary’s Pan&Scan footage. And finally, I added the extra horizontal blur under the BTS footage to simulate the same AR as the film footage. I personally really like the look.

Sure, I see where you are coming from.

I will say though that the whole blurred stretched backdrop thing is truly the worst thing to ever happen to video.

This looks interesting, but I really don’t understand the use of blurred backgrounds over simple black letterbox/pillarboxes. Doesn’t seem to make it easier or more enjoyable to watch.

ChainsawAsh said:

I think the remastered 1080p Blu-Ray in the UHD package is considered very accurate color-wise to the theatrical version, and it’s a better transfer on top of that, too. The UHD disc itself, though, is less color-accurate.

I think it’s the otherway round. The 1080p was derrived from the HDR master and in some scenes the brightness is a bit too high, The colors are otherwise identical.

The SE for ESB and ROTJ were based on the interpositives made for the original releases. The negatives were not used (except for the changes I believe).

No, the subtitles are likely to be on the prints that were cut up to put in the collectors edition VHS box set.

There are a lot of sealed ones on ebay for not much, could be a good idea to buy one and scan it as a color reference, I think a lot of the opened ones are yellowed by time.

Workin on it.

I’ve also been hard at work looking for more reference sources. Particually for the subtitles. I don’t think the bootleg gives us a clear enough look at exactly how they are laid out.

Some of you might now that the Widescreen collectors VHS came with a film strip from a print. There’s around 300 copies on ebay and I looked through all of them to find one that would have subtitles. No luck but I did save every decent photo of the cells I could. Here they all are. https://imgur.com/a/KyoQPZW