ChainsawAsh

nl0428 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Yep, all the differences are being discussed over in the General subforum.

General consensus seems to be that the Disney+ versions are the 2012 Reliance 4K scans that Lucas was preparing for the 3D releases that got scrapped, and according to Pablo Hidalgo, that Greedo scene change was the last alteration George made to the film(s) before he sold LFL to Disney.

So, it would’ve been one last change that would be introduced in the cancelled 3D release, despite not being in the 2011 Blu-ray?

Yep. I personally would speculate that Lucas was initially attempting to update the 2004 master for 3D and found it lacking when converted (maybe he finally noticed the horrid color work), so he just dumped what they’d already finished on the BR release and then had new 4K scans done with the intention of using those for the 3D release, all changes he’d already made that ended up on the 2011 release included. And then he just couldn’t resist one last tweak on top of that…

But then 3D re-releases turned out to not be terribly successful and he sold the company, so his new 2012 masters were shelved.

Yep, all the differences are being discussed over in the General subforum.

General consensus seems to be that the Disney+ versions are the 2012 Reliance 4K scans that Lucas was preparing for the 3D releases that got scrapped, and according to Pablo Hidalgo, that Greedo scene change was the last alteration George made to the film(s) before he sold LFL to Disney.

Good point. I should amend my statement to say that 1997 was the last time changes were advertised before release of a new version.

schorman13 said:

Broom Kid said:

I still have my faintest of faint “recreated Original Versions as a bonus feature on the box set” hopes holding on.

Essentially - a Disney-created “despecialized edition.”

To me that’s about the only way the boxset would become a “must buy” for anyone. If there’s nothing exclusive, like the theatrical versions, then most people will be fine just having them to stream on D+.

This way, they can use 4K Star Wars to drive up D+ membership, and still have something left to help sell the boxset next year.

Yup. That is the best case scenario at this point.

flametitan said:

OK, but… why Maclunkey? Of all the changes they could have made, why that one in particular? Who was the executive that thought: “This scene is iconic, but you know what it’s missing? Greedo saying a gibberish word right before he shoots. Yeah, it’ll be like how in a Western they say Draw right before they shoot, but made more Star Warsy.”

If you believe Pablo Hidalgo, that executive was George Lucas back in 2012.

Force-Abel said:

Ugh indeed, ooj.

Is it usual for the offical Star Wars website, or other social media pages, to not make any mention of these changes for the 4KSE?

This has been the norm since 1997 (as in, 1997 was the last time changes were advertised).

In case anyone was curious, the Clone Wars movie is on there (listed under “specials,” separately from the rest of TCW), and it does not have the Warner Bros. logo at the start.

The OT and PT all have the Fox logos and fanfare. TFA and Rogue One still don’t.

Yeah, I’m curious if it’s a new transfer or just upscales of the existing ones.

That’s generally how 35mm release prints look, yeah.

I like this idea a lot. I’d love to see it all in context to see how it works.

Hell yeah! That looks surprisingly good! My fears that the edge enhancement was baked into the CGI film-out scenes have been assuaged.

Without Luke’s intervention, Leia would have still been saved by Lando anyway, though.

Have you tried tracking down the 4K77 Blu-Ray ISO? It’s the same as the 1080p DNR MKV, but has an upgraded scan of the opening crawl, so I’d recommend it over the 1080p DNR MKV anyway.

Broom Kid said:

I don’t think I’m being disrespectful to anybody at all, but I apologize for coming off that way to you.

Not just him.

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Here’s a suggestion: remove the part in RotJ were Palpatine refers to Luke’s saber as “A Jedi’s weapon”.

Does that really contradict the PT, though? We see Vader has a saber throughout the OT, and we know for a fact that it’s not just his leftover Jedi saber, because Ben had that and gave it to Luke. Saying it’s a Jedi’s weapon doesn’t mean he’s saying it’s exclusive to the Jedi.

Yep. I’ve seen that suggested as an “inconsistency” in the past and I’ve never understood it.

Oh, weird. I would have assumed it was shot straight open-matte, it’s surprising to me that they’d hard-matte it to 1.66:1.

1.85:1 isn’t OAR…? What would OAR be for a US film from the 80’s that isn’t anamorphic? 1.66:1 was European standard, so I assume it would have been matted differently there, but surely it would have been composed for 1.85:1, right?

The “8 minutes” thing also makes it seem like they really are only using TFA outtakes, since I can’t imagine that between TFA and TLJ there was only 8 minutes of unused footage of her. Unless RJ used everything he had and put everything else on the BR deleted scenes section (assuming they’re trying to avoid using any footage we’ve seen, even if it wasn’t actually in the films).

Your projector is 1080p, yes? Then yeah, I wouldn’t bother. Even if it can read and play a 2160p file, it wouldn’t look any different to you since it’s just downscaling and displaying it at 1080p anyway.

DominicCobb said:

jarbear said:

The hardest part is the whole Palpatine deform thing. We can logically say he is “unleashing” his dark side … or his “true” form in a sense. But when you watch it, I understand it does feel kind of random. I think I am kinda ok with it, but I do understand that is a bit harder to logically explain it, since originally he was getting deformed by his own lightning …

In my mind the easiest argument is that him deforming himself with his own lightning doesn’t logically make any sense either. So no matter what, you’re left with a confusing scene, but one option is stupid and the other isn’t.

+1

A forum that wasn’t founded to preserve the original trilogy, perhaps?

FreezingTNT2 said:

How would you feel if they remade the original trilogy films in a couple of decades from now? Personally, I’d be okay with it, especially in the form of a TV series which retells the whole saga.

No.

Ooh, I like it! Have you tried it out as one line instead of two? That would make it easier to fit on the one sheet.

It’s still gonna be in the 14-16GB range after you strip out all but one audio track. Which, again, is a pretty standard size for a high-quality, high-definition file.

TK-423 said:

either the 4K77 DNR Release or 1.4 - which has color corrections but not DNR?

This is correct.

Basically, when Williarob did the DNR for 4K77, it revealed a lot more dirt and scratches that was hidden by the grain, so he had to do a lot more additional cleanup. Then people weren’t agreeing on the color timing of the initial no-DNR release (prior to its release), so he made the initial no-DNR release “white balanced” to the sprocket holes on the scan with no other real color correction, but did his own color correction for the DNR release.

This means that the DNR release of 4K77 starts off with an entirely different base color grade than the no-DNR release, so you can’t just take a color correction made to the no-DNR version (like Sanjuro’s 1.4 color correction) and apply it to the no-DNR release, and you can’t just take the no-DNR version and re-apply the DNR without having to do all that extra cleanup all over again from scratch.

Thankfully, ohteedee is currently working on doing just that (re-applying DNR and redoing the cleanup) to bring both the DNR and no-DNR versions back into parity so color adjustments to one can be applied to the other, just like they’re able to do with 4K83.