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lordjedi said:

This kind of makes sense with what we know of the changing timeline from the TV series.

But this movie completely ignores the TV show.  There's two timelines to the "Terminator" series:

TIMELINE A (Official): The Terminator; Terminator 2: Judgment Day; Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines; Terminator: Salvation

TIMELINE B (Alternate): The Terminator; Terminator 2: Judgment Day; Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

And as far as in-universe timelines for the movies, there's the T1/T2 "closed-loop" timeline, where Judgment Day occurs in 1997.  Then the events of T2 change the future, so that Judgment Day now occurs in 2003, so everything from T3 onward follows the changed (2003 Judgment Day) timeline instead of the original (1997 Judgment Day) timeline.

I think the Luke/Leia conversation is perfect.    At the very least, it's the best possible thing that can be done with the scene, and it just so happnens to work really well.

In the Force-lightning scene, there are some awkward music cuts that stand out, but other than that it's very good as well.

The only prequel references in the movie are at the prequels' expense.  The "Episode I" thing is just a MacGuffin, and the protagonists are die-hard OOT fans (the SE's aren't even mentioned once).  It doesn't revolve around the prequels at all.  Trust me, give it a chance.

The Evil Dead is an average, low-budget horror film.  It's good if you're a horror or gore fan (which I am).

Evil Dead II is one of the funniest damn movies I've ever seen - I love every second of that movie, even the 10-minute remake of the first one at the beginning.

Army of Darkness ditches all "horror" pretenses and becomes more Monty Python-esque in nature.  I enjoy it a lot, but in all honesty, I think EDII surpasses it in many ways.

I don't know what to think of a fourth one.  Part of me wonders which ending of #3 they'll follow, then I remember that #3 didn't really follow the ending of #2 anyway.  And #2 didn't follow #1 at all, it just remade it at the beginning.  So my guess is it'll give us a whole new post-"sleep" scenario.

I'd see it, but wouldn't expect much from it.  I'd like to see it return to its roots and be more Evil Dead II-ish and less Army of Darkness-ish.

And the R3 NTSC Director's Cut looks fantastic, it doesn't suffer from the Betamax-transferred added scenes that the Anchor Bay releases do.  I have no idea why that transfer hasn't been released in the US, because there is absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.

skyjedi2005 said:

Ziz said:

I did notice one mistake where someone screwed up dates.  At one point, Kyle says he was born in 1975.

The movie takes place in 2018.  That puts Kyle at 43 years old in the film.  Kyle gets sent back to 1984 from 2029.  That means Kyle is 54 when he goes back to save Sarah.

Methinks Kyle was supposed to have said 1995.  That makes him 23 in this film and 34 when he saves Sarah.

 

Nah that just a stupid retcon on the part of MCG.  I think 1984 was originally used perhaps because of the novel by George Orwell, or maybe just a coindidence is likely the year the film was made.

This may be completely pointless, but for some reason I like figuring these things out, so here it goes anyway:

It's stated explicitly in T1 that it takes place in 1984, on May 12 (at least that's the day Kyle arrives).  T2 is harder to pinpoint, but the most likely is 1994 (though for John to be 10, it would have to be 1995, since the police computer gives his birthdate as February 1985, which corroborates the May, 1984 timetable of T1), based on the "3 years until Judgment Day" speeches, and the fact that Judgment Day is supposed to happen in 1997.

T3 is a mess, though - John claims that he was 13 when T2 happened, which would put it at 1998 (obviously wrong).  I think it's clearly stated that it takes place in 2003, though, which would make John 18 or 19, and means Judgment Day actually happened in 2003.  But all of this is fixed in Uncanny Antman's Terminator 3: The Coming Storm edit, which removes all references to John's age.

And as much as McG likes to say he ignored T3 completely, he didn't - Kate Connor is clearly Kate Brewster from T3.  And, well, Judgment Day happened.

T4 takes place in 2018, which would make John 33 or 34.  That also means he'd be 44 or 45 in 2029, when he sends Kyle back.

Michael Biehn was 28 when T1 came out, so it's safe to say that Kyle was about 30 when he was sent back.  This means that he would have to have been born around 1999-2001.  This also fits with what Kyle says in T1, that he was born after Judgment Day (though in the new, T2-altered timeline, he would have been born a couple years beforehand).  And this makes Kyle about 17-19 in 2018, which fits well enough with Anton Yelchin's age.

Whew ... I think I'm done now.  I still haven't seen T:S yet, I might bite the bullet and do that tomorrow.  I'll pop in Uncanny Antman's T3 edit in the morning, since that's the only one I haven't watched recently, and it'll lower my expectations nicely before I see the new one (while UA's edit improves the movie substantially, it's still a shitty movie, and nothing can be done about that).

FYI, "Lost" is having its final season next year.  It was announced during season 3 that there were going to be three 16-hour seasons (that turned into one 14- and two 17-hour seasons because of the writers' strike) and then the show would be done.

While the show lost its way during season 2 and the early part of season 3, once the writers knew exactly how much longer they had, it got much better.  By the end of season 3 to now (post-season 5) it has consistently been as good as, if not far better than, season 1 ever was.

But rest assured, it won't be "renewed" after next season.

He's confirmed that he will be using McDiarmid's voice, but restoring the original dialogue as much as he possibly can, which is supported by what we hear in the trailer, which is mostly the original dialogue with McDiarmid's voice.  He also mentioned that he doctored the "Yes ... " at the end so it sounds like he's saying "Yes" twice, when really it's the same one, just digitally altered.  I doubt he'd go through that much work just for the trailer if it's not going to be that way in the final product.

Zion!  Wow, it's great to see you back here - the forum hasn't been the same without you!  :-D

Vaderisnothayden said:

...takes itself too seriously and mostly doesn't use the potential for humor in the Indy thing...

I find this particularly interesting, since one of my big problems with the others (especially Last Crusade and Crystal Skull) was that they didn't take themselves seriously enough, and the humor was excessive and out-of-place for an Indy film.  Temple has its own share of ridiculous, excessive humor (the "Brain Feast," as my friends and I like to call it, as one example, and the snake/elephant trunk joke for another), but it's nowhere near as bad as Last Crusade (anything that comes out of Marcus Brody's mouth ... I still so hate what they did to that character), with the exception of the Sean Connery/Harrison Ford scenes, which are all fantastic.

Deathcrow said:

 Are we sure about this? I can't believe that mplayer/ffmpeg is just imagining this up out of thin air! Where should this info come from if not somewhere from within the file? Maybe someone with more experience than me can find out more?

... and i dont want to go on the dev-mailing list  of mplayer with something trivial like this (oss devs can get kind of annoyed ;)

 

PS: ... and btw: I hate this 'visual' post writing editor. Is there a way to activate/see the usual 'code' based editing as known from other forums? ("[quote]" etc. instead of these visual blocks, which i seem to be incapable of managing ;) Or maybe i'm the only one having a hard time inserting a quote at the right point or deleting a image/quote from a block.

It's something with the pixel aspect ratio.  Almost all of Ady's clips have displayed in a stretched 1.78:1 AR in QuickTime for me on my Mac, because QuickTime tends to ignore pixel AR for AVI files and display them as square pixels.  My solution is to play them in VLC, which works beautifully, but since I hate VLC's interface, I re-encoded the trailer to h.264 MP4, which QuickTime displays properly, using HandBrake.  That's the one I uploaded to YouTube, as well.

Watch the trailer, dude.  The entire conversation is heard, played throughout the trailer.

I commented on the YouTube video as well, but ... wow!  That was fantastic!  I may not have to do my ROTJ edit after all ...

My mistake.  As an ignorant American, I tend to assume that being from the UK means one is English.

You don't need to donate.  You either need 20 posts in the forum, or you need to post in the thread with the links, at which point the links will become visible.

At any rate, I can see the links, and I've never donated.

Monroville said:

G E Predator said:

It probably would have been if Spielberg had gotten to direct it, as was Lucas' first choice.  I blame those vultures at the Director's Guild at the time for trying to pull Empire from the theater and fining Lucas -- and even Kirshner -- for simply having all of the screen credits at the end of the movie.

I always heard David Lynch was supposed to direct JEDI (it was when he either left or was replaced that he went on to work on DUNE).  Regardless, did the DG really try to pull EMPIRE for having the credits at the end, being that it was no different than STAR WARS: ANH did when Lucas had far less clout?

 

Here's what happened with the credits thing.

At the time, the Director's Guild of America (DGA) required that the director's name be placed during the opening credits of a film.  For Star Wars, they let it slide because it was a relatively small film that they didn't think would have much success, and the writer and producer was also the director, so it was entirely his choice.  They still fought about it, but let it go rather easily.

Then Empire came along, and Lucas, after having his nervous breakdowns during Star Wars, wanted to distance himself from the production side of things, and hired Irvin Kershner to direct, another member of the DGA.  But then Lucas did the same thing with the credits, and now the DGA was angry since, in their eyes, he was denying a guild member credit.  The only way Lucas could get out of this was by quitting the Director's Guild himself.

Then ROTJ rolls along.  Lucas can't hire Spielberg like he wants to becuase, as a non-member of the DGA, he isn't allowed to hire DGA members.  So he hires an English patsy (Richard Marquand), but really more or less directs the movie himself (by all on-set accounts).

Oh, and Lucas did ask David Lynch to direct ROTJ after seeing Eraserhead, but Lynch had also been given the opportunity to adapt Dune at the same time, and decided on the latter, since Star Wars was "Lucas' thing," and Lynch felt he wouldn't have enough creative control.  We all know how that one turned out ...

CO said:

T1 & T2

Superman I & II

SW, Empire, Jedi

Back to the Future

Jurassic Park

Alien & Aliens

Rocky I, II, III, IV, Rocky Balboa

Raiders of the Lost Ark

Jaws

Its real easy:)

*Claps enthusiastically* I agree with every one of these, especially Back to the Future.  Both sequels were complete and utter shit and should never have been made.

And I don't necessarily pretend the three Indiana Jones sequels don't exist ... they're just an entirely different thing from Raiders for me.  Raiders is a perfect film ... and then Spielberg made three movies starring Harrison Ford that all happen to have Indiana Jones in the title.  They're not completely awful (that includes KOTCS) ... they're just painfully average.

That's the last I'm going to say on the Indy sequels - I'm starting to feel like a broken record.

I feel the same way, IrishLuck.  I'm keeping an open mind for fanedits - and, of course, the currently-only-theoretical animated rewrites.  But if it weren't for my pack-rat parents, I'd get rid of our copies of Episodes I and II (we don't own III) and the Clone Wars volumes I and II, just like I got rid of disc 1 of each of the GOUT DVDs - the CD shredder portion of our paper shredder :-)

Darth Piccolo said:

the emperor's sith lightning needs to be redone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g422Zd2gRck&feature=related

You think so?  I've always thought it was just fine.  It looks too "fake" in the YouTube video - I know it's just a test, but I don't see anything wrong with it as-is.  It just needs the colors fixed, like everything else on the 04 DVDs.

Wow.

See "Raiders."  That's all I can say.  You don't need to see the others, they don't really matter at all.  They're very, very mediocre in comparison.  I don't know how Vaderisnothayden can really think that it is a bland, uninteresting film, and I especially don't see how he can think "Temple of Doom" is better.  Or "Last Crusade," for that matter.

Let me reiterate that I don't hate any of the "Indy" movies, even "Crystal Skull" - it's just that all three of the sequels are vastly inferior to the original.  In my opinion, there's "Raiders," then there's a trilogy of inferior spin-offs that, while fun, aren't particularly good, while "Raiders" is a cinematic masterpiece.

Solution: Skynet shouldn't know about him to begin with.  Easy as pie.  No time-paradoxes to worry about.

Though if you want to get technical, before T3 came out, the end of T2 was a huge paradox:  If John and Sarah had really prevented the war, how could John have been born?

G E Predator said:

shanerjedi said:

OT is perfect as is,

 

I would agree except for ROTJ. Not as good as the previous two.

 

It probably would have been if Spielberg had gotten to direct it, as was Lucas' first choice.  I blame those vultures at the Director's Guild at the time for trying to pull Empire from the theater and fining Lucas -- and even Kirshner -- for simply having all of the screen credits at the end of the movie.

While Spielberg directing "Jedi" would have been fantastic, the real undoing of the awesomeness that would have been "Jedi" was Gary Kurtz leaving (being fired?) as producer.  After that Lucas went on a big power trip and threw out all the outlines he and Kurtz had banged out together after ANH, and started from scratch.  And look what we ended up with.

I really, really, really want to read the original ESB and ROTJ outlines that were written after ANH ... but I don't think it'll ever happen, sadly.

Dude, don't be so offended at people disagreeing with your suggestions.  Yeah, this thread is certainly for ideas for fan edits, but if you can't take some criticism about them, then don't post them here.  It's not that you're not "allowed" to do something.  Calm down.

And the way you presented the idea made it seem like you wanted to do this just for the ending of ROTJ, not for the whole thing.  I'm not saying your edit is bad by any means - I'm just saying that it wouldn't work in that context.

G E Predator said:

But it is a good excuse to loose the prequels

Not really.  It worked fine in 1983 without prequels or flashbacks.  The best way to lose the prequels is to simply pretend they never happened, like I usually do.  Which would be infinitely harder if PT flashbacks were added to the OT.

On the other hand, I'm all for a "Godfather II"-style edit of the OT, incorporating the good/relevant bits of the PT as flashbacks.  It would, in all likelihood, never replace the original OT as standard viewing for me, but it would be a very intriguing alternative look at the saga.  To this end, I'm very intrigued by Asteroid-Man's "Renascent" edits.

I haven't seen it yet, but there's one aspect of it that I already know about that I just can NOT forgive:

Skynet knowing that Kyle is John's father.  That alone is bad enough.

But then ... they use Kyle as bait to draw out John ... when they could just fucking KILL KYLE, thereby killing John!  WTF?!  Ugh ...

So yeah, I'm pretty predisposed to disliking it.

I'd like to see "side stories" - not an "Episode VII, VIII, IX" or anything, but movies that take place within the universe that enrich aspects that the movies themselves didn't have time to go into.

Like the EU, but not mostly-terrible and inconsistent.

I'd also re-do I-III in the style of the "Animated Star Wars" thread (which I'm still planning on doing - now that I'm out for the summer, I'm going to start working on the new Episode I script again).