ChainsawAsh

Here's the thing.

You didn't like the new Trek movie.  That's fine.  You say, "It's not Star Trek."  That's fine.

Then you say that the only reason that's okay but us saying the exact same thing about the Star Wars prequels isn't is because George Lucas made the prequels, but Roddenberry didn't make the new Trek movie.  Therefore, everything Lucas makes in relation to Star Wars must be okay because he made it, and everything not made by Roddenberry in relation to Star Trek must be shit.

But what of the tons of episodes of Trek that Roddenberry didn't write?  What of Wrath of Khan?  Roddenberry was forced out of creative control of the films after the first one because of its failures and shortcomings.  But Wrath is widely considered to be the greatest Star Trek of them all.

George Lucas didn't write or direct The Empire Strikes Back, and has gone on record saying it's his least favorite of the six films ... yet it's widely considered the best of the series.

People aren't infallible.  Just because Lucas made the prequels doesn't mean they're good.  They aren't.  Lucas started to lose what made Star Wars great after he saw Empire and decided he needed to have more control over the next ones, and overcompensated for what he saw as Empire's shortcomings.

You're being hypocritical because you give us shit for disliking the prequels, but won't hear a good word for the new Star Trek movie because you think it goes against what made Star Trek good.  How is that any different from us disliking the prequels because we think they went against what made Star Wars good?  Who made either one is irrelevant.

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And for fuck's sake, the movie did not wipe away 40 years of Star Trek canon - it created an alternate timeline.  The original still exists.  Why is that so hard for people to understand?

I think *you're* being the hypocrite here.  Just saying.

Are you considering restoring any/all of Goldsmith's original, unused cues?  The isolated score track on the 20th (25th?) anniversary DVD contains his complete original score in its entirety, including all unused cues, exactly where they're supposed to go in the movie.

I find that interesting, since that's what a lot of people on here think about the prequels (they aren't Star Wars), while you defend those as violently as you condemn the new Star Trek, which a lot of us (myself included, and I hate pretty much any Star Trek from TNG on - it's TOS, TAS, the first 6 movies, and the new one for me) thoroughly enjoyed.

No, he means BOB-ah, as in "Bob" then "Uh", instead of "Bow" and "Buh."

fishmanlee said:

oh and with adywans edit, can the imp march for the death star reveal be replaced with this version?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP7yQcZKpe4

If you do it yourself.  Ady's done with ANH:R for good.

I've tried that mac program and I hated the results.  I personally prefer doing it all manually in After Effects - much better control over the movement and timing of everything.

Besides, Ady uses a PC.

That's certainly an interesting view.  It kinda negates the entire film, but I suppose that's the point, right?

I think Alien's theatrical cut is perfect as is, but if you feel you can improve it, more power to you.

I am, however, very interested in a "Revisit" of Dune.  There are a lot of edits out there that seem promising, but the one thing every editor seems too lazy to do is to rotoscope the Fremen's blue eyes in the reinstated deleted scenes, which really takes me out of the movie every time it happens.

And if you could get rid of the damn Weirding Modules, that'd be great as well, but I doubt it's possible.

Wow ... I think that's a damn good idea, but I have no idea how it could possibly be done.

Han rhymes with Khan, unless you're Lando, in which case it rhymes with Stan.  And Leia's always been Lay-ah, unless you're that old bearded dude at the end of Star Wars, in which case it's pronounced like Leah.

Um ... yeah ...

Yes, I referred to the now-first episode as the "second pilot," which was made when the first pilot was more or less rejected.  I have no idea if it fits with the series as it now stands, but it will be released as an extra feature on the Season 1 DVD/Blu-Ray.

And there will also be a 13th episode that apparently functions as an "epilogue" for the season that will/did not air in the US, but was produced for foreign markets that already had a 13-episode deal (some complicated contract shit involving the fact that the original pilot was part of the originla 13-episode budget, so they made 12 and added an extra one at half the cost, yadda yadda bullshit) - this "epilogue episode" will be on the DVD set as well.

skyjedi2005 said:

There is one film i have seen Kaminski did the cinematography right on Saving Private Ryan.  Though his style on world of the worlds and indy IV annoyed me greatly.

I cannot remember if he did Jp 2 but if that was him that was also a pathetic job while the first was done well.

Kotcs was the worst though.  The guy said he sat down and watched the previous 3 films and was going to go with Douglas Slocombe's style.  Which i saw  nowhere in this film.  Overly green and washed out. 

Sometimes i wonder how these so called pros even have jobs.  I mean looking at the cinematographer and screenwriter respectively.

I know of course it comes down to opinion.  Spielberg loves this guys style.  Which is a reason all the more to love the Spielberg films made before Kaminski did all his films.

He did a great job on Schindler's List - speaking from experience, black & white cinematography is a lot harder to make look "right" than people think.  Actually, if my Production II instructor wasn't full of shit, he helped Kaminski get that job.  Since then, Kaminski and Spielberg have been pretty much inseperable.

And yes, Kaminski did The Lost World, as well.

I finished the [second] pilot of Dollhouse, but haven't watched the next few episodes.  I've heard it gets better later in the season.  I think I'll wait for the DVD, get it from my library, and watch the original, unaired, un-Fox-tampered-with pilot before I make a real judgment about it.

My favorite film is VI - I find it to be far superior to II, which, while very good, is basically just a revenge story.  Not very Trek-esque, as it were.

The Motion Picture would have been much, much better if they had worked to add some substance to the TV-pilot script instead of just adding very very long stretches of nothing happening.  I like the concepts, but the execution was sub-par.

I haven't seen III, IV, or V in years, and I find it interesting you bring this up since for the past several weeks I've been slowly HandBrake-ing the entire Original Series to my hard drive from my library, and I just popped in Star Trek V to copy that when I saw this thread.  If only that bastard who's had most of Season 3 out when it was due last week would return it ...

At any rate, I now have III, IV and V, and I'm probably going to have a nice marathon of those three in the near future.  I'll let you know what I think of them after I've watched them again.

It would be a lot of work, for two reasons:

1) He would have to re-do all effects work that was originally done in SD from scratch

2) He'd have to rebuild the entire thing from scratch anyway, since Ady no longer has the original files, which is also why we'll never get a 480p high-bitrate mp4 or mkv.

I believe the files were lost when a hard drive failed, or Ady just deleted them because he thought he'd never need them again ... I don't remember to be honest.

So, while your file-replacement idea wouldn't be a bad one, it's just technically impossible since the original files no longer exist.  He'd literally have to start everything over from scratch.

Not to mention he'd have to painstakingly, manually color-correct every shot ..... again.

We're not talking about changing ROTJ to fit the prequels, we're talking about how you would have written it had George given you that task in 1980 after ESB came out.

My guess is a lot of the "location shooting" was actually just going and shooting background plate shots that were then composited into green-screen live action.

That or Janusz Kaminski is much worse at cinematography than I'd like to believe.  He went to my film school, and several of my professors know him personally, so I don't like thinking that he's not good at what he does.  :-(

You don't need to make 3 posts in a row.  There is an edit feature.

Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't see why he shouldn't "rant" about the SE's and PT. And you can't say he's bringing "negativity" into a "positive" thread, because this whole thread is one big implied bash of ROTJ, which never deserved the bashing. Much better to bash the PT and SE, which DO deserve the bashing. I applaud skyjedi's post.

They say that because that's pretty much exactly what every post Skyjedi has ever made looks like.  It started to get old for me after a while, but now I just accept it as who Skyjedi is, like I accept Psycho_Dayv's all-caps typing.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Why should a load of shit like Lost continue when they didn't?

Because a lot of people don't think Lost is a load of shit, myself included.  Using two Bryan Fuller-related examples (I know he has nothing to do with Lost):  Pushing Daisies was fantastic and I'm furious that it was cancelled, but I don't go wishing for the once-great, now-shit Heroes to be cancelled.  Why not?  Because a lot of people still like it, and they deserve to get to see where it goes, even if goes nowhere.

I really don't understand the mentality behind wishing for a show to fail just because it's not up to your quality standards, especially when you treat its fans like idiots just because they enjoy the show.

I agree - that's a really good idea.  At the very least, someone should do a test of it, just to see if it works out.  I would, but I don't have my ROTJ DVD at the moment.

Cut him out completely.  He serves no purpose in ROTJ.