ChainsawAsh

So it will match with the other two crawls that I will have to recreate.  I know the crawls in all six movies don't match perfectly, but dammit, the three in my edits will!

zombie84 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Studios ignore that all the time.  Do you know how many 1.66:1 or 1.85:1 movies are released in 1.78:1 (which is equal to 16:9)?

Besides, no "scope" film since 1970 has been 2.35:1 - all the Star Wars films are 2.39:1.

 

2.35:1 is the same as 2.39:1 and 2.40:1. 2.35:1 was changed because I think there was either a new measurement taken that discovered it was inaccurate, or some new standard came in. But they are all the same. 2.35 is still commonly used just because of its tradition. To be honest, I don't even know if anyone knows which of the three ratios is the right one, or if any of them are, but they are all interchangable for some reason.

As for determining ratios from home video, the amount of screen information is always cropped to one degree or another, so this has to be taken with a grain of salt, ultimately. Star Wars is anamorphic widescreen, so whatever version has the most amount of info is the most correct, so there is no negative cropping involved, unlike regualr or super 35mm spherical shoots.

Red5--those scans are fabulous. Where did they come from? Is there more? I remember someone here (Mielr?) tried to do some collectible-70mm scans but they sort of came out a little blurry because of the glass casings.

2.39:1 and 2.40:1 are just two ways of writing the same thing - they're interchangeable because the real ratio is somewhere in between the two.  2.35:1 is treated as interchangeable, but really isn't - as you said, it's commonly used because of tradition.

In 1957, the ratio was standardized to 2.35:1 due to the addition of an optical audio track (in the past it had been 2.55:1, as the space now reserved for the optical track had been used for visual information as well).  In 1970, the standard was revised to make splices less noticeable, making the new ratio somewhere in between 2.39:1 and 2.4:1.

It was revised again in 1993 (to standardize aperture width regardless of whether the film was was anamorphic or flat), but this resulted in no difference to the aspect ratio, so it remains 2.39:1.

Honestly, it's not a big difference, and Super 35 spherical films often *are* 2.35:1, since that's just what people know as the "proper" AR and they crop it that way.  But to be technically correct, any film shot on 35mm with anamorphic lenses since 1970 is 2.39:1 or 2.4:1, depending on how you round it.

Yeah, dude - go without filters on this one.  It looks much better.  Perhaps seeing these in motion would help?

ImperialFighter said:

While it will be really neat to see Vader shuttling from the direction of his 'Executor' rather than some random Stardestroyer at the start of 'ROTJ:Revisited', I was hoping that all or part of the long, graceful shot of the actual opening ROTJ Stardestroyer (minus shuttle of course) would be retained somewhat, or even incorporated elsewhere in either 'ESB:Revisited' or ROTJ:Revisited'....

But it's an exact duplicate of the opening shot of Star Wars.  That's just plain lazy on the filmmakers' part.  It needs to go (in my opinion, anyway).

Studios ignore that all the time.  Do you know how many 1.66:1 or 1.85:1 movies are released in 1.78:1 (which is equal to 16:9)?

Besides, no "scope" film since 1970 has been 2.35:1 - all the Star Wars films are 2.39:1.

Interesting idea, but the front is stretched too much and the back's a bit plain.  But it is an interesting idea ...

Skyjedi, a blowup to 70mm wouldn't increase grain, as 70mm negative has a very fine grain structure.  That's why the effects for Blade Runner and Close Encounters of the Third Kind were done with 70mm - so the grain wasn't excessive when compositing multiple layers of film.

I also doubt it would exacerbate the garbage matte issue, assuming the color timing was done correctly.

As long as the blowup was done from the original IP, a scan from the 70mm master negative would probably be the next best thing to scanning the original negative if that (somehow) wasn't an option (well, the original IP would be the next best thing, but, you know, barring that ... )

That could be due to the cropped frame.  It may not have been a deliberate change.

Well, unless FF actually did kill a prostitute, hopefully it'll give him a chuckle and lighten his mood a bit.  I don't see what's so terribly inappropriate about it.

Anyway, take your time with this, FF - your personal life is far more important than any fan project!

ZeN - try posting in German, I know there are members here who are fluent in German and English, and can help you get your point across much more efficiently.

It's already in the movie, though ...

Well, I just posted a new clip five days ago, it's the post right above yours.  I also listed (in the same post) everything there is left to do for this edit.  Then I play the waiting game for ESB:R to be released.

I'd greatly appreciate it if you (and everyone!) would watch the clip, but more importantly, listen to it with the best sound equipment you've got.  I want to know how jarring the (many) transitions from folded-down Revisited 5.1 to 1977 mono are.

I'm still confident that I can get this out there by the end of the year.  Perhaps as a nice Thanksgiving or Christmas present for OT.Com ...

*shudder* Oh, Janskeet ... I'm so very, very glad his "new" account got banned as quickly as it did.

I'm still slightly concerned about the fact that he has my address, though ...

You mean textless?  I have textless versions of all 3 prequel Struzan one-sheets, and the Struzan SE posters.  PM me your e-mail address and I'll send them your way.  (Let me know if you need all 6, or just the prequel ones, as well.)

Alright, I just downloaded the "Ultimate Cut" in order to peek through it and plan ahead for when I actually buy it and start editing.

And I must say, even if the Black Freighter scenes slow the pace of the film (I'm not sure that they do, as I've just been skimming through to find those scenes), they're worth it for the new footage of the newsvendor and the kid, which does several things:

- Makes you care for the newsvendor and the kid more, so you aren't asking "Who the fuck is that?" when they focus so much on them when they die in the explosion at the end
- Gives Walter Kovacz more screentime before his true identity is revealed, making it more of a surprise when that happens
- Gives Hollis Mason more screentime, making you care about him a bit more
- Gives the fat New Frontiersman guy a bit more screentime, but not much (still nice)
- Gives a better introduction to the knot-tops
- An interesting, and particularly sad, new lead-in to New York blowing up

After skimming through this version, I'm very confident that I can successfully accomplish my goals with this edit.  I'm really looking forward to starting work on it - but first, I need several things, such as a copy of the DVD and a new hard drive.  (Or a copy of the Blu-Ray, a Blu-Ray drive, and a new hard drive, if I want to go HD with this edit.)

Wait, what?  I don't have any covers in this thread, seeing as how I haven't made any for the Revisited saga ...

The last paragraph of ROTJ still says that it's The Empire Strikes Back: Revisited, and all 3 say that it "contains elements from the 1977 theatrical release," while Empire was released in 1980 and Jedi in 1983.

Interestingly, the last paragraph of your non-"comic" style covers say 1977, 1980, and 1983 respectively.

Not trying to be negative - all of those covers look very, very good!  I'm quite impressed.

Chicago or Northwest Indiana, depending on whether I'm at school or not at the time (currently at school in Chicago.)

Having recently finished acquiring all four pre-SE audio mixes for Star Wars, I had planned on creating an "ultimate" DVD using Dark_Jedi's cleaned-up GOUT as a base, with new menus, PCM audio for the two theatrical mixes and AC3 audio for the two remixes, and a selectable opening crawl (either the GOUT crawl, or Adywan's AVCHD crawl, unless someone can provide me with a decent-quality copy of the 1981 crawl from the 93/95 laserdiscs).

My only problem is, I have no idea how to do multiple angles in Adobe Encore CS4 (the software I plan on using).  So, that's my question - how does one go about doing selectable angles in Encore?

Side question - how does one manually set the layer break in Encore (if it is at all possible)?

Mine would be the same as Sluggo's, but more specifically the lightsabers in Empire.  They're perfect.  (At least, they were before they got all fucked up in 2004.)

And the first time the Falcon goes into hyperspace.  Such an amazing moment the first time you see it ...

I recently installed the 64-bit version of Windows 7 Professional on my MacBook Pro via Boot Camp, and can connect to the wireless network in my dorm, but not to my AirPort Express here at home.  I've Googled all I can Google, and the only thing I can come up with is that the 64-bit version of Windows 7 isn't compatible with the AirPort Express right now - but that's not a "for-sure" thing, just an educated guess.

So has anyone gotten a 64-bit copy of Windows 7 to work with an AirPort Express wireless router?  If so, how?

I'm posting a new clip of about 4 and a half minutes of the Battle of Yavin.  My main concern is that the constant switching between Belbucus' restored mono mix and a mono fold-down of Ady's Revisited 5.1 will be too jarring, but since I'm only watching it with laptop speakers, I really can't tell.

Here it is (as of now, it's still processing, though): Battle of Yavin In Progress

I'd like you guys to listen to it using the best audio equipment you can find.  Please, please give me an honest opinion, and if possible suggestions for how I can improve the quality of the 5.1/mono mix.

I tried to hide the transitions as best I could underneath laser fire and explosions, and by using audio dissolves.  I get the feeling that it works sometimes, but not all the time ...

This project is very near completion - the only things I have left to do:

- Finalize the audio mix
- Create the new crawl
- Create the new end credits
- Figure out how to do the stormtrooper search scene ("Look, sir! Droids!") without keeping the 2 SE shots that I hate so much
- Get a copy of the 2004 DVD, rip the Greedo/Han scene, color correct it, and add subtitles based on the 1977 theatrical positioning/font

And that's it.

Ah!  That seems to prove that Jedi absolutely was remixed in 1993!  It seemed to me from my research that if any of the laserdiscs had the 1983 theatrical audio, it would have been the 1478-80 that you captured there, so I'm going to go ahead and assume that that's the 1983 audio.  Do you have a complete FLAC/WAV of the 1478-80 audio track that you can upload?

So the only questions remaining are:

- Was Jedi remixed in 1985, or just in 1993?  (The 1478-85 may possibly have a remix of Jedi, but it's more likely that it's the same as the 1478-80, which would indicate that Jedi was only remixed in 1993.)
- Was Empire remixed in 1985, or just 1993?  (The 1993 mix is missing a sound effect, but I don't think anyone's been able to confirm whether the 1985 version is the same mix as the 1980 one or not.)
- Has/can anyone capture the 1980 mix of Empire and the 1983 mix of Jedi?

I also have started to try and sync the 1985 Star Wars mix to the GOUT, but it's much more of a pain in the ass than I'd realized.  So if anyone has this already synced to the GOUT, if you could point me in the right direction that'd be great.

Once I have all the audio mixes, I plan on making my own "ultimate" set with all the audio mixes (possibly even the 5.1 upmixes, as well) using Dark_Jedi's cleaned-up GOUT as a base.

I just finished rendering out a 720x480 h.264 mp4 (7500 kbps) version of Adywan's AVCHD opening crawl and first shot (since you'd have to replace the first shot of the GOUT as well, as the starfields wouldn't match exactly regardless of whether you're using the 1997/2004 version or the 1981-1995 version), with no sound, if you're interested.  I didn't notice until after the fact, but it's true 24fps, instead of DVD-standard 23.976fps - I don't know how big of an issue that would be.

But it does, in fact, use the 1977/1997/2004 starfield, the "STAR WARS" logo recedes at the proper speed, and the crawl starts at the same time it has since 1981 (unlike the 1977 and Adywan's Revisited version, which start at a slightly earlier musical cue).  So it is 100% accurate to the 1997/2004 version - if you're a stickler for authenticity and would prefer the 1981 version, go for Moth3r's (which, quality-wise, would match the GOUT better anyway), but Adywan's looks fantastic, and actually matches the original 1977 version more closely with the (obvious) exception of the "EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE" subtitle.

If you're (or anyone else is) interested, send me a PM and I'll Rapidshare it or something.  With Adywan's permission, of course.

Perhaps if it were an option to have banned users' posts greyed out or not, like in the preferences page?