ChainsawAsh

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.

I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.

That said, I am not so sure that the cops wrongfully killing African Americans is happening as often as BLM would have you believe.

I think it’s happening a lot more often than you’re willing to believe (and/or are comfortable with believing).

But if that was the intention, they would have said “he’s rewritten history” instead of “he’s created an alternate timeline,” no?

Yeah, O Brother was the first (live action) movie to be 100% digitally color graded, which means it was a complete DI, but I don’t think it was the first complete DI.

That the Kelvin timeline is an alternate universe and doesn’t overwrite the prime timeline.

Official canon says it, the movie says it, Abrams and the writers say it, but you continue to assert that it’s not the case even while arguing that official canon trumps everything else in other cases.

Sent a donation your way, Ady. Should be able to contribute more in the coming weeks/months as well.

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

You demonstrate the problem of time travel in fiction. Skynet sends a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner in order to prevent the existence of the guy that will eventually defeat Skynet. But if the terminator were successful, John Conner would never exist and wouldn’t end up defeating Skynet and therefore Skynet would have no reason to send a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner.

Right. This is why I prefer T1, because the time travel makes sense - it’s single-timeline, closed-loop, no-paradox travel. Skynet was unaware that it worked like that and hoped they’d change the past rather than cause it to happen.

But it doesn’t make sense. Skynet should have been smart enough to realize that if had succeeded in preventing the John Conner from existing, Skynet would then have no reason to send the Terminator back in time and then John Conner would exist, then he wouldn’t and then he would and then he wouldn’t . . . see the problem? Why didn’t didn’t Skynet?

I almost see it as an experiment on Skynet’s part - they didn’t know how time travel would work until they tried it, and since they were already losing, why not try? It’s not like they would care if it ended up breaking the universe, at least that way the humans don’t win.

Turned out (at least in T1) time travel worked the same way it does in Prisoner of Azkaban - no alternate timelines, no disruption of causality or paradoxes, and free will probably doesn’t exist because it always happened that way.

Warbler said:

You demonstrate the problem of time travel in fiction. Cyberdyne sends a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner in order to prevent the existence of the guy that will eventually defeat Cyberdyne. But if the terminator were successful, John Conner would never exist and wouldn’t end up defeating Cyberdyne and therefore Cyberdyne would have no reason to send a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner.

Right. This is why I prefer T1, because the time travel makes sense - it’s single-timeline, closed-loop, no-paradox travel. Skynet was unaware that it worked like that and hoped they’d change the past rather than cause it to happen.

All the sequels (including T2, which I do love) fuck this up by implying (or outright stating) that time travel can change things, and it’s rarely clear if it creates new timelines/parallel universes or changes the existing timeline.

This is actually a problem I have with Looper, specifically the scene where the guy’s past self gets tortured and he starts losing body parts as it happens. It makes no goddamn sense and contradicts time travel rules established in the film itself. The guy should just wink out of existence (if it’s single-timeline), or nothing should happen to him at all (if it’s multiple-timeline).

Frank your Majesty said:

It’s not that the act of travelling back in time creates a new universe, the time travellers simply go to a parallel universe that’s similar to the one they came from, up to the point where the time travellers appear.

I disagree on this point. I think the act of traveling through time is what creates the alternate universe, which diverges at the point The travelers arrive.

Though I’d argue that, based on the obvious pre-Kelvin differences in ST09, Spock was slightly mistaken and he and Nero traveled to an already-existing alternate universe in addition to traveling back in time. But that’s mostly head-canon.

Hey man, I get real life getting in the way, believe me. I’ve been meaning to give your edit another rewatch and take more detailed notes for you this time, but work has been screwing me over so much (three 72h weeks and one 84h week in the last month, all night shift) I haven’t had time.

I’m doing a one-movie-a-week rewatch of the saga starting tomorrow, so when I get to ROTS I’ll pop in your edit (using HAL’s for I and II) and take notes during.

Good luck with all your school stuff, and don’t rush the project just to get it out there - take your time and do it right, and try not to let it get in the way of real life!

If it didn’t create a new timeline/alternate universe, then it changes the future in such a way that going back could never have happened in the first place, creating a paradox. So basically, if one can go back in time and is able to change history, the change has to create a new alternate universe, because if it didn’t it would break the universe.

The only other alternative is that going back in time can’t change anything because attempting to change things ends up causing the thing you want to change to happen (closed loop), like Terminator 1.

So if you can change history, you must create an alternate timeline/universe.

If you can’t change history, then no alternate timeline can be created.

Any other version of time travel makes no logical sense (insofar as any version of time travel can make logical sense), because any other version breaks causality.

I think Tekka’s ribbing about Ren’s family pissed him off, so he killed Tekka in anger without really thinking about it. He probably assumed he could search the village and find some clues, then Poe appeared and he figured Tekka gave Poe the map and thought “Oh, cool, I didn’t fuck up that bad” and took Poe to interrogate him.

That’s my 2¢, anyway.

The Ritty said:

ChainsawAsh said:

The Ritty said:

Tell me what Fan edits are really good.

This will probably be the last thing I say as a reply, because you’re being very negative toward everybody and I think it’s very immature that you seem to think your edit is so perfect you’re unwilling to check out any others, BUT I’m going to give you some examples of fanedits that are the cream of the crop in my opinion:

• Adywan’s A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back Revisited (which are both on another level to any other fan edit to date)
• HAL 9000’s Star Wars prequels (Cloak of Deception, The Approaching Storm, Labyrinth of Evil)
• L8wrtr’s Star Wars prequels (whose titles escape me at the moment)
• Uncanny Antman’s Terminator 3: The Coming Storm
• Spence’s Frank Herbert’s Dune (movie edit of the 2000 SciFi channel miniseries)
• TM2YC’s Star Trek: Vengeance (edit of Star Trek Into Darkness)
• Various Hobbit edits are good (Maple Films, l8wrtr, Spence)

And SO many others. That’s just what comes to mind that I’ve personally seen. Spend some time browsing through IFDb (the fanedit database on fanedit.org), organize them by rating (both directions) to see what edits people have responded to positively for examples of what to do and negatively for examples of what not to do.

If you made these for yourself and you’re satisfied with them, then great. But if you want to share them with an established community you have to spend some time acclimating yourself with the community to see what people’s expectations are. If the expectations beyond what you are willing to deal with, that’s fine, but don’t lash out at people in the community for expecting the same shit from you they expect from everyone else.

And maybe be a little more respectful in the future and open to advice and criticism.

Now let me ask you a question - what didn’t you like about Star Trek 12? Forget the SW nonsense we’ve back and forth’d above - this is about ST. I loved Darkness, I know a lot of people didn’t. I don’t see why a diff edit is needed. Beyond was ok but I don’t think that could even be fixed with a diff edit but what was your take on 12 and was the fan edit radically different or just a tighter, leaner animal?

Well, first, it wasn’t my fan edit. Second, there’s a very detailed cutlist for it available on IFDb, which I read and compared to another STID fan edit cutlist. That’s why I decided on Vengeance, because it conformed very closely to my problems with the film - Kirk and Spock’s relationship, Kirk being demoted then promoted again, Uhura’s characterization, the reason for Spock’s pursuit of Khan at the end, among others. Third, it is actually a fairly radical edit, in that it required a lot of deep restructuring of individual scenes, new FX work, etc.

There are so many different edits of the same film that, without a cutlist to compare against others, you’ll have a hard time getting people to take the time to download and watch yours when they may have already found one that gets pretty close to what they want.

Finally got my hands on Rise of the Tomb Raider. Hopefully I can give it a spin this weekend, or next week when I go back to 10h shifts.

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Moving over to this thread just in case.

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Seriously, I am growing very concerned about the improvements in computers and computer intelligence. It is not out of the realm of possibility that computers will able to replace every human at every job. Imagine what it will do to the economy if humans are no long employable? What if computers do take over. I’m serious.

Universal basic income. It’s going to happen. It should happen way sooner than it’s going to though, and it’s going to carry a sigma similar to welfare for far too long after it’s implemented, too.

communism?

No, not at all. And frankly, this kind of misunderstanding frustrates me because it happens too often. Not every social program is Communism—universal healthcare isn’t Communism, free college isn’t Communism, universal basic income isn’t Communism. They may or may not be good ideas, but I wish people would argue about that rather than throwing out “sounds like Communism to me!” However, I trust that you were genuinely asking, and not just throwing the word out as a “gotcha,” so I’m going to respond.

Universal basic income, if it were implemented, would serve only as a safety net. It would be a way for the Government to say “here is a bit of money so that you can meet the basic standards of living; you’ll have food and water, and you’ll have shelter, now go do with your life what you will.” This is in no way the complete abolition of private property that Communism is. Private property still exists, and capitalism is still very much in place.

We would need more than just a safety. We are talking about going to a society where computers and robots have taken over every job and made humans obsolete and unemployable. That video linked to in the Random thoughts thread showed that computers and robots are eventually going to take over for doctors. No occupation is safe.

Which is why I see universal basic income as an inevitability and a stepping stone to a post-scarcity society.

Warbler said:

sure sounds like it.

How do you define communism?

Jeebus said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Seriously, I am growing very concerned about the improvements in computers and computer intelligence. It is not out of the realm of possibility that computers will able to replace every human at every job. Imagine what it will do to the economy if humans are no long employable? What if computers do take over. I’m serious.

Universal basic income. It’s going to happen. It should happen way sooner than it’s going to though, and it’s going to carry a sigma similar to welfare for far too long after it’s implemented, too.

Not in America, it’s not.

It will eventually, because it will have to. But it’ll take way, way, way too long and America will suffer greatly for it. Like we are right now with healthcare.

(I firmly believe that single-payer/Medicare for all will happen here, too, but not for another decade or two at the absolute best.)

Warbler said:

Seriously, I am growing very concerned about the improvements in computers and computer intelligence. It is not out of the realm of possibility that computers will able to replace every human at every job. Imagine what it will do to the economy if humans are no long employable? What if computers do take over. I’m serious.

Universal basic income. It’s going to happen. It should happen way sooner than it’s going to though, and it’s going to carry a sigma similar to welfare for far too long after it’s implemented, too.

solkap said:

This time I must disagree with ChainsawAsh.

He is correct if you are looking for SW 2.5 or 2.7, ESB 2.0, or ROTJ 2.5.

But anything earlier than that probably won’t be very easy to find. I wouldn’t worry about it though.

About the only reason you’d want to find earlier versions is for comparison purposes. Each subsequent release is just a more highly polished edition of the films.

Oh, my bad, I misread. I thought he was looking for 2.7/2.0/2.5, not earlier versions.

I seriously doubt any anthology movie will have a crawl unless it’s part of its own self-contained series (like, say, the Old Republic trilogy that I’m still convinced they’ll do between Episodes IX and X).

Read the Ultimate Introductory Guide, linked in the first post of this thread.

Hope all goes well, poita!

Search Amazon for Verbatim BD-R DL. I’m at work right now.

JEDIT: Work has slowed down a bit, I think this is the 10-pack I have: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0083UTJN8/

I swear by Verbatim discs. They make printable BD-R DL’s, or at least used to (I have some).

TV’s Frink said:

When we can finally all agree on how much of a failure ROTS was, it will truly be a beautiful day.

Star Wars fans? Agree on something? Ha!

Thing is, “A Star Wars Story” was only used for marketing for Rogue One. The movie itself is just Rogue One on the title card, not even Star Wars: Rogue One. Like how Die Hard 2 is just Die Hard 2 - the “Die Harder” part was just a tagline for marketing purposes that was always put right under the title so everyone calls it that. Or the first X-Files movie - “Fight the Future” doesn’t appear in the movie itself, just The X-Files.

If Solo follows suit with Rogue One, the title will just be Solo. “A Star Wars Story” is just a marketing tagline.