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#1152913
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I don’t think (and I don’t know of anyone else who thinks) that Republicans are maliciously trying to hurt anyone.

These things are often packed into an ideology that makes it seem like it’s not hurting people.

For example, there’s a belief that hardworking red states pay the taxes that support the freeloading blue states. So a tax bill that hits blue states harder is about fairness, not hurting people. Similarly, making healthcare unaffordable is about the free market. It’s about choice, not hurting people. And although the data indicates otherwise, there’s a belief that cutting taxes can increase government revenue, because a guy drew it on a napkin once, so we’ll increase those services the second all that extra revenue starts pouring in… any minute now, just wait. In the meantime, here’s another tax cut for rich people. Maybe if we cut them more it’ll work. This time for sure. And so on and so on until you’re Kansas.

I forget where I’d heard this phrase before: “So, you’re saying it’s a conspiracy?” “No, it’s worse than a conspiracy. It’s an ideology.”

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#1151164
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

moviefreakedmind said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-arrest-man-suspected-swatting-preceded-deadly-police-shooting-n833576

Police murder an innocent man based on a fraudulent phone call. The police brutality angle is what people are ignoring here.

Looks like at least half of the feedback on Yahoo News to this article is about the inappropriate police response. Even some police responding saying that the lack of verification before sending in a SWAT team, let alone drawing weapons, was very strange. Nobody seems to be ignoring it.

And it appears the instigator has now been apprehended.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/after-swatting-death-in-kansas-25-year-old-arrested-in-los-angeles/

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#1151000
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Also, this new info further establishes the timeline. We now have yet more confirmation that the Trump campaign knew the Russians had Clinton’s e-mails months before they were released to Wikileaks (meaning the high-level link between the campaign and Russian intelligence). Every new independent confirmation is a new set of witnesses for the Trump legal team to attempt to discredit. Smearing Australian diplomats is certainly not below them, but you can only smear so many unrelated figures before it starts to look suspicious to even some of your partisan supporters.

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#1150902
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Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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PM sent. Technically there are small and probably not relevant differences. The 720p subs are smaller and might work better with a space-limited format like BD25. Also some players may have bugs and either not scale the subtitles at all, or scale them improperly (the BDSup2Sub utility scales semitransparency badly, but I haven’t seen any bugs in a player yet). 720p subtitles don’t scale up to 4K as nicely as 1080p ones. But for most purposes, no – it should not matter. I’d match resolutions to the video just to be 100% certain there won’t be issues, but chances are you won’t see issues either way.

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#1150653
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

The following is a thought experiment, so please do not take too much umbrage.

In the 2016 election, Trump [earned] 58,501,015 votes and Clinton [earned] 57,099,728 votes - if we exclude the votes in California for both candidates. Considering the matter on a state-by-state basis, it’s funny that California would negate the popular choice of the 49 other states. Consider further that even if we also exclude Texas’s votes, Trump still wins the popular vote in the remaining 48 states. That is how big a difference the people of California can make in a popular vote system.

I want a candidate to be made to appeal to as broad a swath of America as possible. I abhor that pretty much every GOP candidate in the 2016 primary bowed to the ethanol lobby in states like Iowa. And yet, it is one example of how candidates are made to appeal to interests in individual states. If you think the ethanol subsidies are great, this should appeal to you.

Voting demographics are not divided along state lines. You don’t have one state full of liberals and another full of conservatives. You just have all states with slightly different mixes of all the national voting demographics. You simply cannot target California voters as a whole for no other reason than that Dana Rohrabacher and Maxine Waters are both Californians. You can only target one voting demographic or another, and pick up ideologically-aligned supporters across the country, possibly picking up states in the process.

Yes, there are state issues like ethanol which may gain you a few more percentage points in specific states, but that’s really only a few percentage points (offset in an NPV system by equivalent losses in other states–these offsets exist in the electoral system too, but they may be in states you have written off). Also, larger states with more diversified economies tend not to have one issue that appeals to the whole state, except in that it may appeal to whatever’s the dominant demographic in that state.

So sure, California can throw the election one way or another. Or Texas, or Florida. But the margin of the last election was 2.9 million votes. That’s Kansas–consider how many Kansas Democrats don’t vote because the current system ensures their votes will never count. If nothing else, the NPV should improve opposition turnout in “safe” states on both sides.

Clinton was faulted for not making the efforts she needed to in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The idea that a Republican - let alone Trump - would win those three states was far-fetched. If a candidate thought they could ignore those three states now, they certainly would under a NPV. I think that shows that one can’t count on simply picking up ideologically-aligned supporters across the country - there are people who can be swayed one way or another. It shows that, as you rightly point out, demographics cross state lines. But they’re not just ideological. The idea now is that a future Democratic candidate won’t take those voters and those states for granted. I think that’s a really good thing.

The only system under which a Democratic Presidential candidate would make appeals to voters in Wyoming, Alabama, and Oklahoma would be something like the NPV, where those votes would actually be counted for something. Similarly, Republicans candidates may visit Hawaii for more than just the golf courses. The EC encourages candidates to focus exclusively on swing states and ignore the rest of the country (but they should, as you point out, know what the swing states are). A popular vote means they focus on getting the most voters, in any state with voters. Sure, big states have more voters, but every state has some, and they all count equally. And I think that’s really a better thing.

EDIT: Example – last election, I had someone come to my door to encourage me to vote for Hillary. I live in what’s known as a non-swing state. That’s the first time anyone has ever come to my door to ask me to vote for a particular Presidential candidate, over several decades. Now, yes, that’s a good thing–the Dems cared to send someone, I feel special like a desired voter, yay for that. But it’s also a bad thing–I knew the Dems were wasting money sending people to doorbell my street when my state was in the bag. If we had the NPV, it would not have been a wasted outreach, plus I’d have likely also had the opportunity to tell some redcap to get the fuck off my porch.

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#1150636
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Mrebo said:

yhwx said:

Mrebo said:

(However, I do think we should expand the size of Congress which would greatly mitigate the problem of a disparity between the Electoral and Popular vote.)

I’m not so are about the Congress idea. 535 people is already quite a a lot to know, and increasing the size of Congress might introduce new inefficiencies and make it harder for Congesspeople to collaborate. I hear this is a problem in the EU legislature.

There are downsides. As you politely observe we have quite a lot of uncooperative nitwits already. The Capitol would end up looking like the Republic Senate too. But there could be some way to work out the logistics. I don’t know how the Chinese National People’s Congress works but I guess it does.

There are also additional upsides. In addition to making the Electoral College more closely match the popular vote (I should say again, because they used to be much more closely aligned than they are today), smaller Congressional districts are harder to gerrymander to very much effect.

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#1150625
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Mrebo said:

The following is a thought experiment, so please do not take too much umbrage.

In the 2016 election, Trump [earned] 58,501,015 votes and Clinton [earned] 57,099,728 votes - if we exclude the votes in California for both candidates. Considering the matter on a state-by-state basis, it’s funny that California would negate the popular choice of the 49 other states. Consider further that even if we also exclude Texas’s votes, Trump still wins the popular vote in the remaining 48 states. That is how big a difference the people of California can make in a popular vote system.

I want a candidate to be made to appeal to as broad a swath of America as possible. I abhor that pretty much every GOP candidate in the 2016 primary bowed to the ethanol lobby in states like Iowa. And yet, it is one example of how candidates are made to appeal to interests in individual states. If you think the ethanol subsidies are great, this should appeal to you.

Voting demographics are not divided along state lines. You don’t have one state full of liberals and another full of conservatives. You just have all states with slightly different mixes of all the national voting demographics. You simply cannot target California voters as a whole for no other reason than that Dana Rohrabacher and Maxine Waters are both Californians. You can only target one voting demographic or another, and pick up ideologically-aligned supporters across the country, possibly picking up states in the process.

Yes, there are state issues like ethanol which may gain you a few more percentage points in specific states, but that’s really only a few percentage points (offset in an NPV system by equivalent losses in other states–these offsets exist in the electoral system too, but they may be in states you have written off). Also, larger states with more diversified economies tend not to have one issue that appeals to the whole state, except in that it may appeal to whatever’s the dominant demographic in that state.

So sure, California can throw the election one way or another. Or Texas, or Florida. But the margin of the last election was 2.9 million votes. That’s Kansas–consider how many Kansas Democrats don’t vote because the current system ensures their votes will never count. If nothing else, the NPV should improve opposition turnout in “safe” states on both sides.

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#1150593
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

darth_ender said:

CatBus said:

Jeebus said:

Going by the popular vote isn’t going to fix the underlying problems with the first-past-the-post system.

No, but the electoral college is a problem that can be fixed without a constitutional amendment.

Such a fix is a workaround, not the true solution, and I’m not sure I favor workarounds. I’m pretty firm in my conviction that if the Constitution isn’t working in some way, then the Constitution should get fixed instead of finding loopholes. Unfortunetly, the Constitution may be just a tad more difficult than desirable to amend.

The National Popular Vote is one workaround, but there are other things that I’d classify a lot closer to actual fixes which also do not require a Constitutional Amendment. The NPV is merely the method that, at least at the moment, is most likely to succeed.

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#1150214
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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SilverWook said:

I’m old enough to recall when the NYC crime rate was a running gag on SNL.

Those jokes are dated in a number of ways. I remember when Chevy Chase reported that New York City had changed its emergency number from 9-1-1 to 1-1-1 because of all the people who died while waiting for the 9 to come back around. These kids today don’t even know what that means anymore.

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#1150089
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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We may get a replay of this race in Mississippi, FWIW. There’s another racist blowhard who already hasn’t conceded losses in the past (coincidentally making claims identical to Moore’s that high black voter turnout is a sure sign of fraud) named Chris McDaniel, getting a lot of support from national fascist groups to run for the Senate in 2018, against the incumbent Republican Roger Wicker, who’s just your mainstream run-of-the-mill hard-right racist who knows how to keep his mouth shut about it when the cameras are rolling.

Differences from the Alabama race–

Pro-Wicker:
Wicker’s got a long enough history of speaking at CCC (read: modern Klan) events that McDaniel may not be able to peel away enough of the racist votes. The Alabama election results will likely push fence-sitters toward Wicker.

Pro-McDaniel:
There is no evidence McDaniel sexually assaulted any minors. The Alabama election may push conspiracy nuts to double down on the crazy, and there does not appear to be any end to the crazy.

Pro-Republican:
Mississippi is a deep red state that’s simply not competitive for statewide offices. Trump carried the state with an 18 point margin. The Democrats haven’t yet fielded a credible candidate.

Pro-Democrat:
Trump won Mississippi by a smaller margin than Alabama, so they “only” need to gain 9-10 points, rather than 14 like they successfully did in Alabama. Mississippi has a larger black population than Alabama, so if black voters mobilize on a similar scale, it could make for a larger swing. Regular election year turnout should be higher than special elections, which tends to favor Democrats a little, although it’s still not likely to match Presidential election year turnout. If the Democrats manage to field a good candidate, there is plenty of material that could be used in a campaign to paint whichever Republican as deeply racist – but whether or not that would actually work to make the Republican more appealing to Mississippi voters is a legitimate question.

My take – Wicker’s already so racist, the Trumpites won’t see any reason to turn on him. He’ll win the primary, then the general, but he’ll win the general by less than 18 points over some placeholder Democrat if that’s any consolation.

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#1149905
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jeebus said:

Going by the popular vote isn’t going to fix the underlying problems with the first-past-the-post system.

No, but the electoral college is a problem that can be fixed without a constitutional amendment. Other problems are more due to the fact that we don’t have a parliamentary system, which would allow for things we don’t currently have, like third-party relevance.