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#770111
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Team Negative1 - Return of the Jedi 1983 - 35mm Theatrical Version (unfinished project)
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From what I understand, the next ROTJ DeEd's where you'll see these prints used first, but there will be also a full release of Jedi from -1 later*.  The correction/cleanup processes are different, not to mention -1 is working with multiple prints, the entire film rather than brief scenes, sound capture & sync, etc.

* possibly much later

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#768850
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Star Wars GOUT in HD using super resolution algorithm (* unfinished project *)
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AntcuFaalb said:

I'll grab a frame from our 35mm IB scan tonight. Do you have any particular frame in mind? I have reels 2-6 currently.

Probably any large object with high contrast at the edges, sharply defined.  That way when you're counting pixels, there's less error.

I'd say a Vader closeup in the Tantive IV corridor should be good.  Well-lit, sharp, black and white.

This is the way to get an absolutely correct AR, and thanks for the resources.

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#768839
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Star Wars GOUT in HD using super resolution algorithm (* unfinished project *)
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AntcuFaalb said:

Cropping a D-1 master from 720x486 to 720x480 and dumping to DVD (as is the case with the GOUT) does not result in an up-to-spec DVD.

I think it's fairer to say you just end up with a distorted AR than an out-of-spec DVD, but I know what you mean.  The distortion is baked in.

I think that puts a point on the question of what exactly this project is doing--a warts-and-all GOUT fixup (in which case distorted AR might be preserved), or something more akin to the actual theatrical prints (in which case they may want to skip right past the D1 master--which might have its own issues--and go to a theatrical print as the reference)

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#768827
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Star Wars GOUT in HD using super resolution algorithm (* unfinished project *)
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DrDre said:

It was CatBus who provided this information thankfully. So all credit should go to him. I didn't know about this, but was struggling with getting the correct AR.

This will get you the AR that the people who made the GOUT (or more accurately, the Definitive Collection Laserdisc) intended for that video release to have.  What relation that has to the actual film's AR is a matter of debate.

If you're aiming for "just the GOUT without extra fix-ups" then what you've done is right.  If you're actually aiming for correct, I think you should refer to another reference, although I'd try to use footage from -1, rather than the Blu-rays for that AR reference.

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#768426
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Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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PM sent.  Right now, the full Japanese subs are graphical-only, but they're very good quality, so don't shy away from them.  They are on the radar for conversion to SRT, but my translator is currently swamped with real life.  I did recently confirm that they are still committed to doing it though.  Japanese requires more than just transcription, they need some translation too.

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#768290
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9 years ago Lucasfilm announced the GOUT on DVD
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TV's Frink said:

CatBus said:

TV's Frink said:

The randomness of this 9th anniversary got me thinking to check what gift would be appropriate.  Apparently it would be willow/wicker, pottery, or leather.

Let the S&M jokes begin...

Come on, there's an obvious joke there.  You're not really trying.

 Having never seen Willow, it generally doesn't cross my mind.

S&M, on the other hand...

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#768144
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Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD - V3.1
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Also, the 2.x series has gotten serious color attention for the other films, so I expect it will be the same when Jedi is given that treatment.  Jedi didn't fade as much as the other films, so reasonably accurate references should be pretty easy to come by, and I expect the color grading in the 2.x series should be fairly uncontroversial (famous last words).

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#767851
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9 years ago Lucasfilm announced the GOUT on DVD
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Yay for the GOUT! While fairly useless in its own right, it provided some unique raw materials for fan preservations:

- A frame reference that fans could agree on for all of their audio and video projects so that things could work together better.  Imagine if Harmy's DeEd used the DC for video, but hairy_hen decided to sync his audio to the JSC, etc.

- The only home video release of the 1977 Star Wars crawl/flyover (making the choice of 93 audio more ridiculous).

- Lots of language and subtitle options (in various unique global releases) in an easily rippable format.  Without this, our preservations wouldn't have the global accessibility they currently enjoy.

And finally, it provided the final push for some fans (like me) to get off their butts and start doing something to save Star Wars for posterity, because it was finally crystal clear that Lucasfilm wasn't going to do it.

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#767663
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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There's lots of things that complicate any color correction evaluations.

First off, nobody's color memory is perfect.  And I say this with the utmost respect for people who do this professionally, and who clearly have a better memory for such things than I do, but the memories of humans are faulty, period.  Nothing matches a good objective reference, and, well, to borrow from Monty Python: We've already got one.  It's very nice.

Secondly, objective references aren't identical.  Harmy used a high-quality scan of a Technicolor print.  The person in question, even when they were using a reference all those decades ago, was, at best, using fast-fading 35mm filmstock, already several years old and nowhere near its original colors.  Even before fading, the Technicolor and other 35mm prints may have had different color characteristics, and may have looked a little different when projected--but the Technicolor print retained its color, while the other 35mm prints lost it very, very quickly.

Thirdly, the source for most of the DeEd's is the Blu-rays.  They have already been heavily manipulated, and not all of that manipulation is reversible.  Sometimes Harmy needs to choose a least bad approximation of the Technicolor prints, because an exact match is either not possible or not desirable for other reasons.

I'm not saying it can't be improved--I'm sure it can.  But Harmy is sitting on a copy of pretty much the definitive color reference for this film.  That is much, much better than the best-retained memories and gut feelings of even the best color experts around.

Now, for Empire?  Gut feelings have a lot more value there, as no objective reference exists, AFAIK, although I believe some of the Empire prints faded significantly slower than others, so they may be useful.  Jedi was filmed on color-stable filmstock, so more-or-less objective references likely abound.

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#767266
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Multiple takes, multiple pronunciations.  They don't always use the same take when they replace dialogue.  It doesn't sound like "the" to me.  It sounds like the soft "d" from the end of "find" blends with "a" to make something that sounds like "fayn-dhuh".  There's a lot of that to be found in any movie really, but, you know, it was the seventies... slurred speech and all that.

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#767178
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Haven't honestly gone to that spot to listen, but the 1977 English audio is, as far as anyone's been able to tell, using in-theatre recordings and 35mm captures, faithful to how it sounded in the theatres.  For the Blu-rays, they purportedly went back and found the original unmixed dialogue, which theoretically could make the dialogue clearer.  I've never found the Blu-ray audio particularly bearable, but you may have found a spot where it worked.

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#767174
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Star Wars GOUT in HD using super resolution algorithm (* unfinished project *)
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Well, to be clear, "supposed to" doesn't necessarily line up with reality.  Accounting for blanking makes little sense in a world where DVD's are expected to be played back over all-digital connections, so modern DVDs frequently go right to the edges.  But older discs tend to put some room for blanking on the sides, and that seems to include the GOUT.  If there's usable image within the blanking area, you're free to decide what you want done with it, as long as you maintain the right aspect ratio.  I tend to just chop it, because it was designed for that to happen.