CO

If these are the same disks but repackaged, this is going one confusing aisle when the buyer reaches the Star Wars Section:

Consumer:  "OK, what I should I get my kids........They said they like Episode IV, V, and VI.  Ok, I see there is a boxset from 2004 with Darth Vader on it.... no wait there is a boxset from 2005 with the Original Characters on it..... no wait they are sold individually from 2006..... no wait there is a boxset that came out this November.   Excuse me sir, what is the difference between all of these sets?

Best Buy Guy:  OK, you have the 2004 set, they are fully remastered, yet they couldn't get the lightsabers right, but they are the Special Editions, then you have the 2005 set, they are the same set without the bonus disk, then you have the 2006 set, which are the original versions along with the same set from 2004/2005, the problem is these original versions look like shit cause they are not remastered, then you have the 2008 set which are combo of the 2004/2005/2006 Special Editions which are fully remastered, but the lightsabers are wrong, and they are the special editions, along with the original versions that look like shit.  Got it?

Consumer:  Umm......maybe I'll take a pass on any SW stuff for my kid, where are the Pirates of the Caribbean DVD's?

Janskeet said:

One of these days Lucas is gonna learn he can't keep treating us like shit, or not.

 See, if this boxset is the same disks from the previous sets, this wont sell well.  As only people who have young kids and don't own the previous DVD will buy them, and the collectors will too, but at this point that is a small minority.

I do agree with Baronlando, even the Rocky Boxsets had SOMETHING new in them everytime, just to sway the consumer that they are getting something different.  I just can't see a large % of SW fans buying for new boxart?

-Mr. Lucas said he would be satisfied if the film made $100 million domestically-

This was my whole point all along guys as to why I am glad this movie didn't make squat this weekend, and it won't even make 50 million domestically.  Even though many call this a kids movie, which I 100% agree, Lucas thought the SW adult fans like us would still turn out, but the OT fans stayed at home, and only the parents with kids and PT fanboys went to see this, as they said 2/3 of the audience were families.  So that shows that the PT fanboys are not that big a fanbase as Lucas predicted, as movie that makes 100 million domestically, usually does about 30-40 million the first weekend.  This maybe a wakeup call to Lucas that the majority of the fanbase is the older OT fans, as they are the ones that love the movies, and live and die by them.

ronlaw said:

Even if there comes a decent OOT release I don't want to pay any more money for it.

That is where I respectfully disagree with you.  If this OT set does contain a fully restored OOT, (which it probably won't), but if it does, I think we can close the book as future SW fans and just enjoy what made us fans in the first place.  What keeps me on SW boards routinely when I am bored at work is days like these when you see a new boxset of the movies and maybe Lucas finally got it right. 

If you hate the PT, the SE, the EU, anything new from SW, thats fine, but if Lucas does put out the OOT in great quality, we are essentially freed from jail and can enjoy the real versions again, and this site wont exist, and for all purposes in my SW fandom, I can close the book on caring about anything as to what Lucas does.  It is just like when I got the Donnor Cut on DVD 2 years ago, I could care less where they take the franchise, I have the versions I enjoy for Superman.

I emailed Bill Hunt at www.thedigitalbits.com, to see if he could find out any info on this set, as he is always on top of anything that comes out from Lucas. 

These are legit, as they are up for pre-order on www.dvd.empire.com.  The specs are not listed, but the artwork is the same.  Lucas suprises me again how he constantly says in every interview and commentary that the 6 movies are one giant story and should not be seen as 2 trilogies, and then he goes out and sells 2 trilogy boxsets!  Man he must see a shrink while he lays in all his money:)

Crygor64 said:

 

However the drama over this goofy and many times stupid kids movie astounds and amuses me. Just look at some of the lulz worthy posts in this thread. The hysteria is hilarious. 

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I agree with you that it is a kids movie, and for the record I have not seen it nor I do not intend to see, but I am still glad this movie did not make alot of money this weekend, cause it gives hope to the whole goal of this website, getting the OOT fully restored for a future release.

I know a SW kids movie and the OOT seem like strange bedfellows for a reason for me wanting this movie to fail, but at this point, I am happy that anything Lucas does with SW tanks, cause it reiterates my personal opinion that Lucas has overestimated his PT fanbase, and underestiamted his OT fanbase, as even Lucas said in 2005, "There are people under 25 that love the PT, and people over 25 that don't like the PT."  The difference is those people under 25 aren't nearly as big as Lucas thinks.

I still say Lucas thought this would be the #1 movie of the weekend, cause SW always sells to the public.  I'm sure he wasn't expecting 80 million opening like a live action movie, but he was expecting a Pixar type opening at 40 million.  This movie did jack, not even good for an animated movie as Wall-E will make a hell of alot more money then this.

So for me the bitching in this thread, wasn't about a kids movie, it was about a wake up call to George, that the SW fanbase will always be dominated by the people who grew up with it and fell in love with the movies, as we hold those 3 OT movies sacred.  The more SW makes jackshit in the future, the more Lucas will eventually realize his cashcow will always be with the traditional fans. 

Now if Lucas would have remastered the OOT in 2006 the right way, and never said crap like, "The originals don't exist anymore."  Then I would not even bat an eye or even care what this Clone War movie does, but unfortunately there is a battle between Lucas and the OT fanbase, and when a SW movie makes 15 million and comes in 3rd place opening weekend, score one for the OT fanbase.

It's weird cause it is reported on the message board on www.dvdtalk.com  DVD's page, yet I dont' see this release on www.thedigitalbits.com, or www.dvdfile.cm, or www.dvdempire.com, as they are pretty up to date on any new announcements.  I think we should wait for an official announcement before coming to any conclusions, as I remember someone posted a phony SW DVD set last year on one of the SW message boards.

Only time will tell.....

Erikstormtrooper said:

digitalfreaknyc, can you say what your source is for this?

 I am wondering if this is false cause I don't see it on www.dvdempire.com as they always have the latest releases up for pre-order, plus I just don't see Lucas ever putting out an OT & PT boxset ever again.  I believe for the rest of the way, SW  movies will be packaged as 1 saga set.  This could be a fake guys.

If this is true, this is the one time I will actually defend Lucas, cause all the companies re-package and re-release stuff.  I can't tell how many Rocky Box Sets they have out, as there has to be atleast 5 boxsets since the inception of DVD.  

Crygor64 said:

CO said:

Crygor64 said:

Haters,

You lost me at haters.  They did that shit at TFN, generalizing about people.  Have a real debate at OT.com, or go to TFN and have lame ass debates labeling people.

You aren't Cryogenic are you?

 

 TFN you say?  You should go back there. I'm sure you are missed.

 Well, I was banned there for defending the OOT during the DVD release two years ago as I was trying to tell people that DVD set was a piece of shit and an insult to fans.  Most fans at TFN kept saying to me, "You are getting what you deserve!"   as TFN cleansed themselves from anyone who wasn't a fan of all 6 movies.

But you still didn't answer my question, why must you incorporate 'haters' in your post, when that is a generalization of the fanbase.  And also, are you Cryogenic? 

Hopefully you can answer my questions.....

Crygor64 said:

Haters,

You lost me at haters.  They did that shit at TFN, generalizing about people.  Have a real debate at OT.com, or go to TFN and have lame ass debates labeling people.

You aren't Cryogenic are you?

See, I disagree with anyone telling young kids you hate Lucas, cause it makes you sound like an old, bitter man.  It is like those athletes who complain that the athletes of today are making too much money.

There is nothing wrong with educating a young kid about the history of SW, especially showing him the OOT and explaining what has changed, but you have to let people eventually like what they like.

When I was growing up I loved Rocky III & IV alot more then Rocky I & II cause they were made for the MTV generation who grew up in the 80's.  My brother would always say how much Rocky I was his favorite but never got mad it me cause I seemed to shove off the movie cause I thought it was too slow, especially for a 10 year old kid like myself.  Fast Forward 20 years later, Rocky I is my favorite Rocky movie, let alone one of my favorite movies of alltime, and I realized Rocky III & IV are fun movies, but aren't in the same league as the Original.

Guys, let kids be kids, and don't get mad if they like the PT, the SE, as they get older, quality always wins in the end, and trust me, they will realize the OT is better then the PT. 

Baronlando said:

Is it possible Lucas was actually expecting a significantly bigger opening? All his company's practices seem to be operating on the premise that there's this "silent majority" of good ol' regular folk and their families out there that are the ones that have kept Star Wars going the last 10-15 years and loved Jar jar etc.. If that was the case, shouldn't Clone Wars have been like one of those "Wild Hogs"/Are We there Yet" family pieces of shit that make way too much money? 

 

 

I don't think Lucas was expecting opening numbers for a typical SW movie:  70-90 million, but I think they are shocked it finished 3rd, and it goes to show that the PT gushers are a true minority.  If I never went on SW boards, I would have never known that there are actually people who like the PT movies, as every SW friend I know feels the same way about them, OK to bad.  Now they don't hate the PT and dont have the venom that populates the internet, but they have moved past them, and all of them feel in the end, ANH & ESB are the classics, and ROTJ is a good enough ending, and SW should have ended there. 

I always felt that TFN was a louder voice for PT gushing then it deserved, as I felt many of those people there would log on with their multiple socks just to jack up a thread to make it sound like more people like the PT.  When you hear people start saying that TPM & AOTC are better then ANH, you start to wonder who these people are. 

But this weekend numbers showed that they are niche fanbase and a small one at that, cause 15 million is pretty pathetic for a SW movie, even if it is a cartoon.  As I said, I don't know one person who saw this movie this weekend, and all of them feel the same way about the PT, so that shows me that Lucas is missing the OT fanbase to really get a great opening weekend. 

I think Lucas has lost the majority of OT fans and now you just have that niche fanbase which will watch the series and continue on with whatever crap Lucas puts out, and of course there are always kids who enjoy SW, but even those kids couldn't help the boxoffice this weekend, as those kids usually propel any good Pixar Movie to atleast 40+ million.  Sadly, SW is a shell of itself, and I am still happy the fanbase sent Lucas a message.

Now just gives us the OOT remastered on BluRay so we can move on from SW and not have to post on these types of message boards anymore George:)

bigbaddaddyvader said:

I dont normally venture onto TFN as it is just too weird but I thought I would see what they made of the Clone Wars movie and I had to post this as I actually was kind of flabbergasted.Here is one guy's thoughts:

"For me, it's (currently)...

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. The Clone Wars
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Attack of the Clones
6. A New Hope
7. The Phantom Menace "

What?Really?I mean....come on.I just cant get my head around that.

To see this list is laughable, but everyone has a right to their opinion.  In saying that, the problem with fanboys like that is Lucas is catering to THEM instead of us, and by seeing the gross this weekend, this shows me that the kids/PT fanboy audience isn't nearly as big as Lucas thought.   The revised numbers are coming out and it is projected now for Clone Wars to do about 15 million and fall to #3 this weekend behind The Dark Knight.

Seriously, Lucas has moved on from the OOT fans, hence his crappy release of the OOT DVD in 2006, but as I said, this gross this weekend gives me hope, cause it may be a wake up to Lucas that the real fanbase is the OT fans, not the kids/PT fanboys, cause these guys couldn't even propel a SW cartoon to #1 for one weekend?

Lets just say Lucas put out Episode 7 in cartoon form with Luke, Leia and Han and it got good reviews and was with the spirit of the OT movies, I know it would have done better then 15 million as alot of OT fans would have come out, not all, but alot more would have came out.  But this was perfect for a wake up call for George, this didn't appeal at all to the OT generation that grew up with SW, and nobody came out for unless they had to take their kids, and in the end, a SW film finishes a disappointing #3 opening weekend. 

Edit:  Revised number by www.boxofficemojo.com

1 N Tropic Thunder P/DW $26,000,000

2 1 The Dark Knight WB $16,790,000

3 N Star Wars: The Clone Wars WB $15,505,000

You have your fanbase now George, enjoy it !

lordjedi said:

When did that happen?  Last I heard was from McCallum saying they were waiting for the format war to be over.  Well, it's over, so where's the announcment about Star Wars on Blu-ray?  Oh, that's right, there isn't one and probably won't be one for a while.

 

They only announced Indy IV, not Raiders, Temple of Doom, or Last Crusade, and of course no SW movies either. 

I can understand if they were prepping SW for next year as they did that in 04 after releasing Indy Trilogy in 03, but to just release Indy IV, and not the other 3, no thanks!

The only movie I really want from Indy is Raiders, so I am taking a pass on Indy IV.

Zombie as we have discussed on ORS, you are 100% correct that this movie made a profit already, but this does say something as to what happened to the vaunted SW audience?

My post is more of a long term outlook as to how many people have jumped ship in the past 10 years, and everything finally came to head this weekend with these poor boxoffice results.   Sure they are good from a profit point of view, but Lucas can't be happy that SW fans didn't turn out in droves like they do for anything he has put out in the past. 

I say this cause it all goes back to the OOT fans and hopefully the OOT being released on Bluray someday fully restored.  If The Clone War movie did 50 million, it would show that there is a new generation of fans, young kids and PT fanboys who can vault any SW related thing to #1, but the OT fanbase definitely stayed away on this one, as I don't know one person who went.   So maybe Lucas will realize that the fanbase to cater to make the most $$$$ is the OT fans.  THen again its Lucas...maybe not!

The Clone Wars movie only took in 6.2 million Friday night, which will give it around 19 million opening day weekend, as it loses to Tropic Thunder.

Let me first say this post isn't to anyone who took their kids to see this as I am glad you guys enjoyed it.

But the fans finally sent a message to George for the first time in my lifetime, we aint gonna show up for shit anymore, and I think the Lucas backlash finally happened.  From the SE, to the PT, to the Originals not existing anymore, to the OOT DVD being shitty laserdisk masters, to this cartoon, there is a reason a SW movie won't even be #1 Opening Weekend for the first time ever.  

This shows that the PT/kiddy audience isn't as big as Lucas thought, and proves to me that the OOT audience is the heart of SW, as I know all of my friends who grew up with SW didn't see this movie this weekend, and the boxoffice numbers reflect it.

NM

I don't think you need to cite examples, as this thread should just read, "George Lucas has re-written SW history.'  Need we say anymore?

PreludeRM said:

 All you haters of the PT will hate this movie just because you hate the PT. If you could just get it out of your head how your PT would have been and how George did the PT his way you just might like it.

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I always find it ironic when someones makes a dumb statement like this.  Can I ask you a simple question, are you saying that anyone who tunes into the PT and saw the OT, HAS to like it? 

I don't know if you remember a movie called Empire Strikes Back in 1980?  Well it was a sequel to Star Wars from 1977, and was nothing as to what everyone was expecting or envisioning for a sequel.  No one expected a more dark turn from the original, no one expected the good guys lose, no one expected an ending that pretty much says to be continued, and no expected Luke & Darth Vader to related.  But for some reason fans like me seemed to embrace that movie, yet it was nothing what we thought the sequel could be?

Hmmm, I am starting to wonder about this place, cause that was a talking point back from the TFN days.  "It's your fault you don't like the PT!"  I guess it was my fault for not liking Godfather III, or Superman IV, or Jaws 3, or Alien Resurrection.  

Thanks Dr. Freud for analyzing why I don't like a movie.

sunday256 said:

A lot of those reviews are by disenfranchised fan boys. Media doesn't always enforce objective reviews these days. If they did, you wouldn't see the kind of reviews being posted on the net right now.

 

 

Sunday256, if you click a link on that page to 'top' critics, which is more of the major newspapers around the country, rather then 'fanboys', the Clone Wars so far gets 20 negatives, and 1 positive!  These are critics from Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune, not from those goofy websites that slander any movie that comes out.

Now as I said, I always take these reviewers with a grain of salt, but when you have almost everyone out there blasting this movie, you have to say to yourself, where there is smoke there is fire.  As I said, the PT movies got from 65% to 85%, so that would be average to above average, which means some people will like it and some people won't, right now this is getting an F.

sunday256 said:

 

Like you, I'm 39 years old and have seen every movie in the theater.

Unlike you, I saw the movie last weekend at a press screening. And I enjoyed it and will go again soon.

 

Sunday256, this movie is getting a 29% ratings on www.rottentomatoes.com.  Now I don't say movie reviews are be all end all, but geez 29%?  That means 7 out of 10 reviews out of all the critics are negative!  I remember the TPM & AOTC got around 60% and ROTS was in the 80's.

As for the movie, I don't want you to take offense, why would anyone our age want to see a cartoon?  Like I said before, this is targeted for kids, and I have no qualms that kids enjoy this, as I think that is great many of you guys can take your kids.

But as a 35 year old guy, why would I want to see some cheesy SW knockoff cartoon that isn't even made for us anymore?  I mean my nephews love Spongebob, but that doesn't mean I like it.  I really just don't get it, but to each his own.

I am very suprised as my nephews are huge SW fans (or so I thought) and have not even mentioned to me about seeing this movie.  They were dying to see Indy IV, so I took them to see, cause I am a good uncle!  But not a mention about this movie, as they saw a commercial, but they may have moved on from SW, as I am starting to see the difference in this generation and our generation, we were much more loyal to Lucas then the new generation is.  To me, SW was everything as a kid, it defined my childhood, to them it was something cool they were into, just like Pirates of the Caribbean, Spiderman, Transformers, etc.  As Ben Kenobi says in ANH, "move along."

I have to say guys as a SW fan, this is a dark day for me, as this will be the first time in my life that I am going to take a pass from anything Lucas puts out in a GFFA.  As I stated in an earlier post, I was there in '77 as a kid, there in 80, there in 83, hell I even saw the damn Holiday Special over my aunts house in '78!  Was there for the SE in '97, the PT in 99, 02, 05, and bought every DVD & VHS since their inception.  I saw the trailer on TV the other night, and there is no way a person over the age of 12 can enjoy this.  Sorry George, we had a great run together.

Gaffer Tape said:

I was just re-reading zombie's Secret History of Star Wars, specifically the appendix about the sequel trilogy, and it made me wonder.  If Lucas had gone this exact same route only made it a CG feature based around the original trilogy, would any of us be more interested to see it?  I honestly think I probably would go out there opening night and check it out if that was the case, especially if he managed to get Mark Hamill to voice Luke (doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility at all).  Under normal circumstances, I would still roll my eyes that he was milking the cash cow, but lately it seems that all Star Wars is is about the Clone Wars era, so much so that it would be refreshing to see anything on the big screen with Luke and co, just to prove they still exist, and that we didn't just imagine those three other movies that happened a long time ago.

Any thoughts?

 The problem is and I think the PT really spelled it out:  SW has lost its magic, and it will never regain the magic from the OOT. 

It happens with every movie series, somewhere along the line, the movies get stale, and if the quality decreases,  either the movie series turns average or just flat out sucks.  I don't care if this series had Luke, Leia and Han, it would still suck.

I understand Lucas can still make money off of SW, but for the sake of the series, just put a fork into it, as now it feels like the final seasons of some of those great sitcoms.  I remember watching the final seasons of Roseanne, All in the Family, Cheers, etc, and even though you still tuned in cause of the characters, the show lost its magic somewhere along the line, and when you watch them in reruns, you can usually see where the show jumped the shark.

This Clone War movie will be the first thing that has a SW name on it that I don't put money down for EVER!  Heck, I tuned into the frickin Holiday Special when I was 6 years old in November 1978, so I have been there through thick and thin with Lucas.

I love SW, I love the OOT, but I can't get up for anything new in the SW world anymore, it just wont be as good no matter what Lucas does.  I mean you have a character called 'Stinky the Hutt?'  how good could it be? 

Fang Zei said:

 

So while all of your friends either don't know or don't care, I don't care but know someone who does. It's surreal.

That is why the people out there who are writing Star Wars/Lucas Obituary may be premature.  There is always an audience for SW, cause it just has such a huge audience.   I still say it won't do huge boxoffice as the movies did, cause I just can't see all SW fans wanting to see a cartoon, along with the fans who got stung by the PT, so there is definitely going to be some backlash, but I just don't ever see a SW movie tanking like Matrix Revolutions or Batman & Robin, where it just puts a halt to the movie series.