CMGF

Yeah I was talking about the video, audio wise the LD is absulutely way better than the blu ray. Video wise, the Blu Ray was retouched to not look filmy, which caused it to loose some details, so in many aspects the Blu Ray is really messed up. But color wise if you compare it to the recent Thunderbean 35mm release it looks surprisingly close to it, most of the time. This is why I asked. I know the laserdisc is better, especially because the audio in it is a recreation of the original Fantasound.

Sthunderrocker said:

You fixed Fantasia! This audio sounds how it’s supposed to. I immediately went to Night on Bald Mountain and Ave Maria. It sounds like my vinyl and the rears are the way I remember from 1990 (and as described in accounts of Fantasound). Made me teary…
Thanks.

If you have seen it in the theaters back then in 1990, do you remember by any chance anything further on how it looked? Were the colors identical to the LD or bright as the 35mm release and Blu Ray? (Well actually 35mm is even brighter and more detailed than blu)

SilverWook said:

Disney should really stop marketing Fantasia as a movie for kids anyway. My experience with the 70’s and 90’s theatrical reissues was that many kids get really bored with it when Mickey is not on screen, or get the screaming meemies even before Night on Bald Mountain. 😉

I have heard of some people who’d agree with you but it surprises me. When I was a child, not a VERY long time ago, me and my friends used to watch Fantasia. We all liked it, and I couldn’t even think of it as boring. Recently I was lucky enough to be in a live concert featuring Fantasia. A lot of the audience was, in fact, children - and I could hear most of them were really exited watching it, except one 3-years-old kid who was sitting behind me and yelling “home”… So I’d say Fantasia is good for childern once they turn 5 years old. But of course it’s a matter of opinion. I can’t say all children would like Fantasia as I can’t say all adults would like it.

Sounds like your version is a huge improvement over Thunderbean’s - absolutely, this project is the one I’m most waiting to watch on the internet. Fantasia is in desperate need of a restoration like this, video and audio audio wise, for sure.

I know they actually considered including the 4-track stereo mag. Wondering why they haven’t. But it was great to finally be able to watch Fantasia in 35mm for the first time. I might in the future sync it with the patched laserdisc audio used in Class316’s releases, but I hope this project will get released before that, because just like you mentioned the Thunderbean release doesn’t always look very good color-wise, and syncing it with the laserdisc audio sounds to me like a nightmare (it has a lot of missing frames! H E L P!!)

TonyWDA said:

Oh, yeah, I wrote about this in a previous comment. The mono soundtrack is its own dedicated mix, not simply a downmix of the stereo soundtrack. It sourced the original score stems and, what sounds like, outtakes for that portion of The Nutcracker Suite. If you try lining up the stereo and mono mixes, both versions refuse to lock together without extensive editing.

And do you know maybe where is the surround mix in Thunderbean’s release comes from?

Class316 said:

For now, this would be the best way to watch Fantasia: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fantasia-Special-Edition-Laserdisc-Restoration-with-Sunflower-v2-2/id/96261

Wonderful day! I also want to thank you Tony for your help with tsMuxer.

TonyWDA said:

Color-wise, it’s a lot more consistent. I don’t say that to slight Thunderbean, but because their release comprised more than one source, it looks stunning half the time but badly faded and marked with visible matting the other half— likely from going through the same projector aperture plate so many times. Thankfully, both the prints I’m working with for this project have none of these anomalies, and they’re brimming with strong color density.

Glad to hear. I also noticed another weird thing about the Thunderbean release - during the suger plum fairy segment, the instruments are somehow different from the original. I can’t explain why, but notice for instance how different it sounds on Thunderbean where the fairy sheds her light on the flowers (note: I’m talking about the first, mono track, not the surround one).

OK thanks for your reply. Got it. Hope when you get the rest of the scan it’d be as close as possible to the print itself. BTW, out of curiosity, how would you compare the print you have to the recent Thunderbean 35mm release? (I mean video-wise, audio-wise they have pretty much screwed it I think)

I’ll update here as soon as I have the files and start any preliminary color grading.

Great work Tony! One thing, I’m wondering why color grading is needed. At least in the images and sample you sent, the colors are just great (as I see it, much better than the official Blu-Ray).

marioxb said:

How do we find this restoration?

Did you manage to get it? It’s on drive and I can send you a link in PM.

Class316 said:

SilverWook said:

I have the CLV edition.
https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/03732/1132-AS/Fantasia
I can rip the digital tracks. It might be a few weeks before I can get around to it though.

Do you plan to edit down the Deems Taylor scenes, as the extra narration was lost, which prompted the complete redub in the first place?

BenjaminG said:

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Sorry that this post is not in the right category, just found out. If someone of the admins can move it that would be good.

They were responsible for many film songs performances, from The Wizard of Oz to Make Mine Music. For 15 years, they were regulars on the McGee and Molly show and preformed plenty of songs there, but The King’s Men quartet’s performances became very rare over the years. However, many of them have found their way on the internet last year. So I collected some and made a 27 minute album.

Here’s a full list of the songs:

1. Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah/ Sonner or later
2. The Martins and the Coys
3. The winter song
4. Hey Mable!
5. Twas the night before Christmas
6. Clancy lowered the boom
7. Rosie the riveter
8. The dickey bird song
9. Tallahassee
10. Stairway to the stars
11. Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah (short reprise)

This post is not just inviting you all to listen to this collection album, but also inviting everyone who understands sound restoration to improve the sound in “Clancy lowered the boom” and “The winter song”, and denoise “Stairway to the stars” as much as possible without defecting its quality. Everyone who wants to have it can send me a PM, as public links are not allowed.

TonyWDA said:

Sure does. 👍🏻

Also, be sure that ”Field order” for both the video file and project settings are set to “None (progressive scan)”. Don’t touch the pixel aspect ratio or else you will distort the image.

Thanks!

heathen3017 said:

Class316 said:

heathen3017 said:

Am I missing something? What is the link to the archive?

It’s on archive.org.

But Disney took down 2.1. Others still there.

You just gave the main page and the search on there does not find it (not sure if I searched before it was removed or not) nor the others. (It could possibly be one of the nearly 1200 Fantasia movies it brings up, but having to seek through those…)

If Disney took down 2.1, is there another way to obtain it? Is there a file host link available? If so, would it be possible to get that please?

I’ll send you a link in PM when I get home.

Hey, thanks. The rip is not .vob, but MKV. Still works?

Doctor M said:

The Fantasound is very… interesting. But I’ll wait for v2.2 where you fix the frame rate.
25fps with one duplicate frame every second? So much jitter.

I have to assume there is pitch altered speed up in the audio as well, but I haven’t compared it to any other sources.

Hey, I was the editor of V2. You should know about the video, it was a DVD PAL source, which means if I didn’t left it 25fps then I would have to downgrade the whole film to 480p. If there is anything I can do to solve this, please PM me. The goal is of course to do as best as possible, so if there is any way to fix it, I will fix it.

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Bridger12 said:

CMGF said:

CourtlyHades296 said:

I think that Make Mine Music needs an uncensored release the most.

I was going to make an uncensored Make Mine Music myself. For most of the film, I have the DVD. For censored parts in “all the cats joins in” there’s laserdisc rip (at this segment it doesn’t have any subtitles). But, one thing is missing: I can’t get “the martins and the coys” in quality as good as the DVD. If someone can get me that, then the project can go on!

I have a 1080p uncut and uncensored version of Make Mine Music. I used an Australian HD TV rip that went viral some time ago, that includes “The Martins and the Coys,” and the side breast from “All the Cats Join in.” I spliced them in with the official Blu-Ray. Would you like it? How can I send it to you?

Sent you a request in PM

RU.08 said:

Someone needs to stabilise reel 4 of BATB. Anyone is welcome to give it a shot.

I have an auto stabilisation option on my editing software. If you still need I can try.

Hey any updates on Fantasia? Will it be available for everyone once finished?

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CourtlyHades296 said:

I think that Make Mine Music needs an uncensored release the most.

I was going to make an uncensored Make Mine Music myself. For most of the film, I have the DVD. For censored parts in “all the cats joins in” there’s laserdisc rip (at this scene it doesn’t have any subtitles). But, one thing is missing: I can’t get “the martins and the coys” in quality as good as the DVD. If someone can get me that, then the project can go on!

I would love to help in this release too if you want!