If the OUT happens, I think it will be because of people at LF/the Mouse who care and want to see it preserved and enjoyed, not because of the fans/demand.
At best! 😂😂
Honestly, if the OUT were officially available, I might find the SE funny. But as it is, it’s just sad that one of the most influential films ever made is presented on official home media only in a not only altered, but laughing-stock, form.
Something that came to my mind the other day about how Greedo shooting first conflicts with the Jabba scene. Because Greedo shot first there’s really no point for Jabba to ask Han ‘why did you fry poor Greedo??’. Yes you could argue Jabba maybe wasn’t aware Greedo shot first and Han killed in self defense but given that’s how the dialogue was in the original shot scene with Declan Mulholland this seems to tie in better with the idea that Han shot first.
Lol. The SEs are a CF
I had no idea Blockbuster ever carried LD. would’ve figured that was too niche for rental markets.
screams in the void said:
What about the blue T.I.E. lasers in the asteroid field in the faces vhs of Empire ?
SHOULD BE PRESERVED ON THE 4K BD OF THE TRILOGY VIA SEEMLESS BRANCHING! IN PAN-AND-SCAN TOO!
though the rumor says 4 discs per movie for the 4K sets and 3 discs for the BD
He’s being sarcastic
How could IX confirm or deny that suspicion?
Fang Zei said:
Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.
That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.
Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.
It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.
Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”
For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!
Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.
The whole “who shot first” thing is still widely associated with the Star Wars fandom. Pleasing the fans is an obvious nod to the OUT in this context. Whether this will happen or not is a different question.
To me this is nothing more than projecting your own views on the entire fandom. The days that “who shot first” was a big thing in the fandom are long past. The fans are a much wider and diverse group than our little community here on OT.com, many if not most who grew up with the PT, and the SE, and many who consider the SE superior to the original versions, and more consistent when viewed in the context of the saga as a whole. When people at Disney talk about pleasing the fans, they are most likely talking about the growing majority of fans, who would like to see the saga in the highest quality possible in combination with unreleased material, not the dwindling minority of OOT fans.
You are aware that those who want the OUT is not restricted to just this site correct?? I’m not saying the market for the OUT isn’t/hasn’t shrinking/shrunk with each passing day but I would not go as far to say this site represents 99% of those who want it. Just because there isn’t others who post about it doesn’t mean they don’t want it.
Hal 9000 said:
I only take issue with Star Wars fans’ opinions when they say they would the OOT not to ever be released alongside the ‘official’ versions.
That would literally be the only scenario it would happen. It ain’t gonna be like E.T. where Spielberg ultimately reversed his opinion and now the theatrical cut is only the available version. The SE’s of Star Wars are here to stay whether we’re happy about it or not. Whether they will coexist someday with the OUT is another story.
I’m very aware, because I’m also active on other boards, and one thing that struck me is, that you often meet the same people who advocate the release of the OOT, while the majority doesn’t seem to care all that much, beyond viewing the OOT as a curiousity, that they might be interested in owning, while their go-to versions will remain the SE. In other words as I said before, the OOT seems nice to have, but not essential to the majority of fans.
Most people—even SW fans—also don’t use Internet forums. People of the ‘vintage’ most likely to prefer the OUT are probably even less likely. For this and other reasons the web probably isn’t the best sample to analyze.
It’s not true that “almost everyone” is a SW fan. Maybe nearly everyone (in the anglosphere) has seen and enjoyed a SW movie, but that doesn’t make them fans in the sense we mean here.
Of course most of those people don’t care about the SE/OUT debate, but they’re also not waiting with bated breath for a UHD release of the Star Wars Trilogy.
I would like to see the SE presented in the lowest resolution while the OUT is presented in 4K UHD with a forced apology from George Lucas on the fourth disc.
That’s a bit petty, don’t you think?
I for one hope disc 4 is a 4K recreation of the 1997 pan-and-scan vhs. We need to preserve these versions for posterity!
I just emailed their customer service line.
If course we want to know about mark ! Assumed you would tell us if you could!
I was going to ask the same thing. 😃
It’s like we’re finishing each others’ …
How does one become a voice-over artist? Were you an actor before? Or did someone just hear you speak and say “she’s got the right kind of voice”? Just curious
Congrats! Is that your voice in the trailer?
Having recently seen the Apollo 11 documentary, this looks like a good companion piece. I wonder if that IMAX dome I’ve been to in San Jose to see the new SW films in 70mm would get this?
Yup, that’s me! Thanks!
Wow, you you sound just like John Kennedy! 😛
I contacted them out of curiosity. Not that I could go. All DCP, all SE
If the next home video release of the Star Wars Trilogy looks as good and is as true to source as the Mary Poppins Blu-Ray, that would be quite the coup indeed! I would pay a pretty penny for that!
Fang Zei said:
That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.
Exactly, which would once again be giving the two versions unequal treatment (both versions get 1080p but only the SE gets released on UHD).
I don’t think the GOUT was malicious. It was just lazy. It would be different if they released the OUT now. They’ve got all the elements scanned ready to go if they ever want to release it, and there’s not an existing HD master of the OUT they can just dump on Blu-Ray.
Not saying they will release, just if they do, I suspect they’ll do it right.
And with a 100 GB BD, seemless branching in 4K is totally doable.
If—IF—the OUT is coming, I don’t see them doing that. We’ve heard about how they’ve been scanning all the old elements in. They’d have no excuse, whereas with the GOUT they avoided a lot of effort by putting out the LD master. They’ll have to make a new transfer for Blu, so 4k won’t be any more work.
You can put two cuts on the same disc easily, especially considering 4K discs are usually feature film only.
Hell, Close Encounters 4K is three cuts with seemless branching.