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#1418113
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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jdryyz said:

I am now going to derail this monumental occasion with an ignorant question. Isn’t GOUT and “theatrical” referring to the same thing?? I thought anything pre-Special Edition adheres to George’s original trilogy.

Yes and no. GOUT is a presentation of the OOT on DVD. In terms of this discussion though, the “GOUT standard” refers to a precise collection of frames for syncing audio tracks. Theatrical prints differ by a handful of frames from the GOUT. These aren’t substantial content differences but are enough to throw off sync with audio tracks if they are used on different video presentations.

To use a GOUT synced audio track, the chosen video component needs to have the frames synced to the GOUT standard.

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#1403172
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Info & Opinions Wanted: Choosing Between Various 4K Restorations
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I just finished a marathon of the OT.

I thought 4K77 DNR looked really good. I’m glad I went with this version. I would not want anything noisier than this. I can’t wait to see what the next versions of 4K77 and SW Despecialized bring.

D+80 was entirely different. Detail on the UHD Blu-Ray footage is amazing, but the frozen grain is distracting and the quality drop of the DNR’d restored footage is unfortunate. This is certainly an amazing effort and a great stepping stone to ESB Despecialized. Can’t wait for this and an eventual polished 4K80.

4K83 minimal DNR color by Dr.Dre: drop down gorgeous. If there was never a new version of ROTJ, I’d still be happy.

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#1403170
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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This was inspired by my viewing of D+80, but since it’s pertinent to all of the films, and I imagine Star Wars 3.0 is the current project, I am posting it here.

I found the UHD disc footage to be great in detail and color, but was really (really) distracted by the godawful frozen grain, especially in bright footage on Hoth and Bespin (I absolutely do NOT mean this as a criticism of ohteedee’s fantastic work putting this together). Further, I found the DNR’d 35mm footage to leave a lot lacking in detail and continuity with the “official” footage.

I am curious where on the spectrum the 3.x versions of Despecialized will lie. Will restored footage be DNR’d to match the UHD Blu-Ray footage? Will Blu-Ray footage be “re-grained” to match the restored footage? Or will both be done to some extent to “meet in the middle”? In addition to its utility for “matching,” I think some artificial grain added to the Blu-Ray footage could help hide the frozen grain.

Thank you all for your hard work, I can’t wait to see what you come up with on the next round!

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#1398193
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Info & Opinions Wanted: Choosing Between Various 4K Restorations
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I finally upgraded to 4K, and am trying to decide which versions of the Star Wars Trilogy to download. Hopefully this thread can also be a resource for others, so feel free to also post your related questions!

I have been reading about 4K77/80/83 DNR/noDNR and D+77/80/83, and that’s a lot of choices.

My general preferences: I prefer home video transfers that have a filmic look (as in, no need to turn O-neg and interpositive transfers into wax fests), but I also have no real desire to see a warts and all “what it would look like in the theater in 1977” look for these movies.

In the DNR vs noDNR of 4K77, the DNR is distractingly noisy for me. I think I’ll go with 4K77 DNR or D+77. Is there good info somewhere about what in D+77 wasn’t restored to theatrical? Any thoughts on what I should try first?

For Empire and Jedi, I don’t see any such comparison videos. I will probably go with 4K83 given how high marks it’s gotten, but how grainy really is the noDNR compared to the DNR? Is there a sample somewhere? Same for ESB, but also, what changes were left in D+80?

Thanks for your thoughts!

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#1386362
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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CatBus said:

Very nice as always, Dre. Since you seem to be following along roughly chronologically, you may need to think about the giant disclaimer you’ll need for your color-corrected Mos Eisley frames, to avoid fan panic 😉

I don’t know about you, but I’m looking forward to some great looking dino hide!

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#1377115
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Rey's lightsaber color in the Sequel Trilogy
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Mocata said:

It wasn’t very consistent before though, it’s much more pale in SW compared to ESB. Probably because of the visual effects change. Then the prequels that feature it are different again.

Yeah… I remember seeing the first previews for TLJ and thinking Rian must’ve like the 1977 effect.

Personally the SW/TLJ is my favorite. I thought it was over saturated in TFA.

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#1369130
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Fang Zei said:

There was speculation on these boards as to whether or not the ‘97 cg shots were transferred directly from the digital filmout tapes for the 2019 4k version à la the 2011 rebuild of TPM or if they were simply scanned back in from the negative just like any other shot in the movie.

There was also speculation somewhere (maybe it wasn’t here) that the ‘97 re-comps were re-done from scratch yet again to take advantage of the higher resolution.

Has any evidence emerged to support either of these theories?

Can modern computers/software even read 90s digital rendering files natively? Do they (Star Wars or in general) keep old machines stocked for such purposes?

Edit: oh I see you said filmout flies, not the digital renders themselves. Still curious re my question, though.

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#1368953
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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SilverWook said:

I could see Disney doing a massive set of their animated films, which would then be the only way to get The Black Cauldron, just to tick me off. 😉

Don’t give them any ideas… Having just gotten some Pixar and Star Wars 4Ks with my 60% VIP deal, I’m just hanging on to a Disney Movie Club membership (which I singed up for for The Love Bug, 20,000 Leagues, and Black Hole) so that I don’t have to go through the whole song and dance again to pick up the Black Cauldron if it’s ever released as an exclusive.

I’ll take 4K or Blu-Ray at this point. Just give me a gd >480i disc with The Black Cauldron on it.

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#1364724
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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DrDre said:

Brodnation said:

DrDre said:

J0E said:

Darth Lucas said:

While I think it’s looking pretty darn great so far, I think I ought to throw my two cents into the teal walls debate. I’m sure some of it would have been visible in '77, but it would have been projected with very warm bulbs, which would have counteracted the teal in the walls a bit, not a ton, but a bit. I don’t have much of a preference, as I think either way is going to be “accurate” in one sense or another. However, I do think you’ve gone a bit overboard on that teal look in certain shots. For instance, I’m seeing quite a bit of teal in Leia’s dress in some of those shots, which I don’t think would have been the case. It may have picked up a bit from the walls around the edges of her dress, but it’s not reflective enough of a material, I think, to have the wall color drastically affect our perception of the dress color itself.

Just a little nitpick, but I think it’s worth addressing.

The teal walls may have been painted like that so they’d show up as a cool white on film. Like how the Superman suit was teal so it would look blue on film. IMHO set photos as a color reference isn’t always accurate when it comes to movies shot on film. A lot of things are colored a certain way on set so they appear the way the director wants them to look projected.

That’s why I only use set photos to support what is seen on film, and what is seen on film both on the frames, and projected is a bluish green color for the walls with creme colored panels.

Projected Derann print:

Despecialized 3.0:

That 3.0 Color grading looks absolutely dead on to me! Great job Dre!

Also speaking of projection bulbs, do slide bulbs yellow too? Or just 35mm bulbs?

I think all bulbs have tendency to become less bright and warmer as they age, even the sun. 😉

Actually, in its current phase, the sun’s luminosity increases by 1% every 100 million years. But unless you have a new fusion projector, this is irrelevant to this project 😉

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#1364526
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Darth Lucas said:

While I think it’s looking pretty darn great so far, I think I ought to throw my two cents into the teal walls debate. I’m sure some of it would have been visible in '77, but it would have been projected with very warm bulbs, which would have counteracted the teal in the walls a bit, not a ton, but a bit. I don’t have much of a preference, as I think either way is going to be “accurate” in one sense or another. However, I do think you’ve gone a bit overboard on that teal look in certain shots. For instance, I’m seeing quite a bit of teal in Leia’s dress in some of those shots, which I don’t think would have been the case. It may have picked up a bit from the walls around the edges of her dress, but it’s not reflective enough of a material, I think, to have the wall color drastically affect our perception of the dress color itself.

Just a little nitpick, but I think it’s worth addressing.

Question from a person clueless in this process: how much of this would be attenuated if using a TV set to warmest (which I do) vs viewing on my relatively cool computer display?