Right, but I did stupid things like busting out windows on abandon buildings with a bb gun and urinating my initials on the siide of houses, not scouring the net for graphic images of people killing themselves. It is just a little unsettling, that's all.
It was still made for kids. I know many people consider it a continuation of TOS, but if you want to claim that its primary audience were adults, or that even a significant part of the audience were adults, or if even that many adults made it a point to tune it, or that it was marketed at adults... I'd have absolutely no way to prove you wrong.
Funny thing is, Clone Wars is also being defended by diehard fans to not be a kids show. Not to long ago -1 made the argument that since their are clone troopers and robots dying, it shows that it is definitely not intended to be a show for kids. If adult fans want to like something for kids, they will defend their liking it. Of course, TAS was made in an age when kids shows could be intelligent and enjoyable for adults to watch with their kids, nowadays kids shows tend to alienate adults with over the top childish antics.
Vaderisnothayden said:
Ah, but it's pushed as being part of the canon...
So? What new Star Wars thing isn't being pushed as canon these days? The Force Unleashed, Clone Wars, the PT, all Star Wars canon. Star Wars canon totally sucks. I don't even think the unaltered original trilogy is even considered canon anymore, how could it be, since events happen differently in the OT than they do in the PT.
Huh, another interesting observation I just made. All responses have only focused on the American centric half of my original post, and not the African centric. If I were to respond to a similar post, I assume I would do the same thing. Kind of like when you hear of a bus wreck and thirty people dying in some 3rd world country on the news it just kind of passes through one ear and out the other without too deep of an emotional response, while when you hear the exact same story, only now it is a bus crash with thirty people dying in New Jersey or some other place in the US, it evokes a much stronger reaction. I mean, who really cared about the recent terrorist attacks in India? None of us even bothered to post about it. Yet Bernie Mac or Michael Crichton dies and we all rush here to be the first to make his R.I.P. post. Not picking on anyone, I am obviously the same way. Just kind of funny how that works.
Tiptup said:have fun trying to argue with someone who has no grasp of reality, you guys.
I think -1 kind of likes to play devil's advocate, which leads him to take arguments out of the bounds of logic just for the sake of arguing.
I am not really trying to convince him of anything, he will come to whatever conclusions he has his mind set to come to. I was just having fun comparing the OT to a little kid locked in his parents basement, forgotten and replaced by a younger sibling. I think it is a very fitting comparison and surprised it took me this long to come up with it. Too bad so few people will read my stroke of genius due to it being written in the midst of an overly long winded post...
Vaderisnothayden said:...it's not going to be worth me wasting my time on it, it's not going to have depth or Star Wars feeling or animation I can bear to look at. So yeah I'd be complaining, as you put it, if I saw the episodes.
Because it isn't intended for you. You won't get into this for the same reason you don't wake up at 6 am on Saturday mornings to watch cartoons (do kid's still do that? Or has the CN and other channels that air cartoons during the day killed the Saturday morning cartoon?). This show is not aimed at you. I think too many older SW fan are taking this show and looking at it as if it were made for them. A very exaggerated comparison, but it is like a paleontologist watching Barney and Friends for the first time, and feeling disappointed that the show's depiction of dinosours was not very accurate, and that it has very little to offer paleontologists or people truely interested in learning about dinosaurs. That is totally missing the point. Clone Wars is very clearly aimed at young kids, and for what it is it is doing its job. It doesn't have to fit into canon, or make sence, because that is not its purpose, its purpose is to amuse and entertain children.
I don't think it is very fair when people attack The Clone Wars so harshly. It is what it is. A kids TV series based off a successful but lame series of modern sci-fi films, which in turn was a spin off of some successful and well done older sci-fi films. I think some of us are just getting into the habit of attacking anything new with the name Star Wars on it, regardless of its merit. The Clone Wars is achieving what it set out to accomplish, no matter how good or how bad it does, some of us will tear it apart. Tons of good movies have silly kids shows based off of them. Where is the dissing of Star Trek: The Animated Series, Return to the Planet of the Apes, Ewoks, Droids. All those were some pretty crappy cartoons, but we have always managed to write them off as, "just for the kiddies". Why not this treatment for CW?
DF Shadow said:but the thought of it simply being the same versions only in higher Q sucks.
Master Sifo-Dyas said:Since he wasn't too fond of not getting a chance to deliver Vader's lines in a redub, I wonder how he felt about Sebastian Shaw representing Vader's true face instead of him.
LOL, yeah poor guy. Sorry David, but we are going to have to have someone else dub your lines, sorry pal, your voice just isn't good enough.
Two films later... Sorry David, but we are going to have to have someone else wear the suit for the final scene, sorry pal, your face just isn't good enough, we'll be using a face double.
Hmm, Baronlando, I think -1 just proved your point. Obviously your examples were pretty good after all.
In all those cases the original ones are what stood the test of time, and the sequels mostly forgotten. He said without any sequels to SW we would be bored, complaining about the originals, or complaining about the lack of anything new.
Yet people are not doing that to the movies Baronlando mentioned, people still priase those movies as great movies regardless of their crappy sequels and lack of new material being released every week to three years. Star Wars would have been the same way had the maverick film maker who fought the system and won not gone through the strange transformation that forever changed him from rogue film maker into hardcore business man. Effectively he did to himself what he was afraid the studio system would do to him, instead of the studios taking his original creative ideas and dragging them through the mud by marketing and overusing them to death, he decided to fill that role himself. Almost like it was destined to happen.
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In an alternative universe, old George Lucas looks at his precious film franchise, now a mangled shadow of the great idea it once was. George clinches his fists and grinds his teeth as he remembers what they did to his space opera, what they turned it into. Nine movies and three TV shows, countless hours of Star Wars. What was once seen by the world as something creative, exciting, and new, was now viewed as something old and tired, just another silly franchise having the last drops of blood drained from it. George's face was now red with anger. If only he could have kept them from taking control of his movies. If only he could have somehow kept creative control in his own hands, this never would have happened. Slowly, inhaling deeply, George unclenched his hands, relaxed, and exhaled. If only he could change things. If only it were possible to go back all those years ago and explain to his youngself the importance of keeping creative control to himself. If only it were possible. George's scowl changed to a wild grin. Maybe it was possible after all. The old man lifted his gaze from the floor up to the blue prints hanging on his wall, grinning wider still. They had come to him at great cost, but that was of little concern, he could afford it. Building the machine would likely cost him his entire fortune, and some of the parts would have to be aquired by less than honest means. But that didn't matter, if this worked everything would be altered and the last few decades as he knew them will have never taken place. What George didn't know, is that the universe has a way of correcting itself. Fate cannot be changed.
Yeah, I think it is suppose to be in 3D. Really, what is the big deal about more changes? The damage has been done. Game over. There are now two versions of the SE, by 2012 or sooner there will be no less than three. The fact remains, we still don't have the OT on a watchable DVD, we still don't have the original SE on DVD. Heck, we don't even have the theatrical version of TPM on DVD. And we will never get any of those either. There will be more changes, that is just the way it is going to be. SW has become a brandname and it is being marketed to death, the horse is old and weak, and once it dies the whip will keep cracking for a good long while. Nothing can stop that now. You have to expect that. You could tell me they are rereleasing Star Wars but with Han, Luke, and Leia all replaced with CG Gungans, and I wouldn't care. It really doesn't matter anymore. All that matters is the restored OT. The PT, the Clone Wars cartoon, and bazillion other SW TV shows do very little to sway the possibility of the originals being restored. Let them play their games, have their fun, and make their obscene amounts of money. Keep your eye on the goal and don't be distracted by none sense like this, stepping on the toes of the children being marketed to and the fans who are easily amused and entertained by cheap trick like this wont accomplish anything. There is one thing we want, and one thing we are after; stay focused.
Arg! Why does this stupid thread keep popping up to the top! Scares me every time I read the title, then my brain kicks in and reminds me that this is an old thread.
Vaderisnothayden said:Mielr said:GeorgeLucasIsANarcissist said:C3PX said:I can't speak for anybody else, but I absolutely freaken love skyjedi's posts. I think he should have his own late night talk show, because he is awesome.
I don't post much, but this is spot-on. Roll on skyjedi. Don't ever change.
I agree- I love Sky's posts! :-)
Yeah, I find his posts a breath of fresh air and he says stuff that needs saying.
Don't get me wrong, most of sky's posts are just him ranting about the same things over and over, more often than not when reading a discussion you can skip over every one of his posts without missing a beat. He has a lot of knowledge and often has some very interesting insights and facts to share, such as his post about the composer of the Clone Wars music a few posts ago. I can see why a lot of people get annoyed at how often he breaks out into rants, especially since they are so similar to the rant before them, but they are so damn entertaining, it is hard not to be amused by them.
He usually has some incredibly funny sarcastic remarks, or just funny comparisons. All those guys who cannot be bothered with reading the things he posts, or who have added him to their block list, are missing out on some great stuff. Though I rarely ever agree with what he says 100%, and often find him a little extreme, I would very much miss his rants if he were to stop posting them. And if he did have a late night talk show, I'd most definitely watch it every night.
Isn't the "movie" actually the pilot episode of the show? I thought they just decided to prep the pilot for the big screen to generate more hype, and to charge ten bucks a ticket instead of letting people see it for free. It is not like it is a movie that spawned a TV show. We had been hearing about the TV show for the longest time, the idea of putting a couple of pasted together episodes on the big screen came later. Another example of this is Battlestar Galactica (original, not the remake). Here in the states the first few episodes aired on TV just like the rest of the show, but in the UK they decided to give it a theatrical run first. Now you can go into Best Buy and by the "movie" Battlestar Galactica, advertised on its own box as something along the lines of "The movie that started it all..." which is bs, because when you look back on it, there never really was a movie, it was a TV pilot from start to finish. Just because the UK were given a TV pilot to be passed off as a movie and were made to pay for it in theaters, doesn't make it any more of a movie; it just makes it a TV pilot that was given a theatrical release.
Clone Wars is pretty much the same thing, only this time the theatrical TV pilot was released worldwide, not just the UK. Without the "movie" you don't know the circumstances to which Ashoka became Anakin's apprentice, of course the "movie" is part of the series. Of course, you can't judge an entire series by its first epsiode. While I have only heard negative things about the theatrical feature, I have heard lots of good things about the series. I watched a few episodes, and though it is rather juvenile for my taste, it seems fairly well done. I would have loved for there to have been something like this set in the SW universe when I was a kid, no doubt it would have been my favorite cartoon.
Yeah, I have to echo the baron on this one. "The hell??" Not to put your opinions down or anything, but you just described a perfect situation and made it sound like the worse thing in the world. Most of your conclusions are insane.
The idea of it not coming out on home video in any format is pretty unlikely, as it was a huge success. Even though I saw ROTJ in the theater, I was too young to really remember much of the experience. I grew up watching the trilogy on VHS, that was the existence of the trilogy to me. To me, Star Wars was my three VHS tapes and my box of SW figures. So it is pretty close to impossible for me to imagine them not being on home video, they have just always been that way for me. But if I take Star Wars as it was at this point in my life, a few VHS tapes and a box full of toys (think I had a couple of comic too, and I know I had the story books), and then start supposing you scenario with nothing new coming out, it sounds pretty amazing. I would still love them as much as I do, just because I always have. Hopefully they would have received a DVD release, normal nothing fancy, the movie and a few trailer, just like many of the other movies I grew up with that are now on DVD. No SE, no PT, no EU, no OT.com, all those things would be more than fine by me. To me this really would be the perfect situation in regards to SW.
I have no idea why you think we would sit around and complain about the original films just because we wouldn't have the SE to complain about. There would be no reason to complain about them, this is just you assuming that none of us have anything better to do than complain about the SE. Of course we do. The only reason any of us complain about the SE, is because we got burned with it.
It is like the little kid who's younger brother is just born, and suddenly the younger brother gets all the attention and the older kid is completely ignored. In this case his parents have some serious mental issues and go about saying the first kid no longer exists, because the second kid is so much better. They lock the first kid in the basement and keep him there until he is older, then they finally let him out, only they make him wear ugly clothes that are more than ten years out of style, and now that he has spent so many years locked in the basement he is not so well socially adjusted, things just are not right about him, and he looks really crappy and pixelated on an HD TV, because he has not received the love and attention needed. Meanwhile the younger brother is the star of the football team, gets his picture in the paper all the time, has a wall full of trophies. The parents constantly brag about him and beam with pride. When the older brother's name comes up in conversation, the parents look at the floor uncomfortably and go, "Oh, uh, yeah, him. Nearly managed to forget about him. You did have to go and bring up such a sore subject as him did you? Uh.. so... yeah, you've heard about our youngest son, right? The star of the football team? His girlfriend has just given birth to their baby, he is 100% CG and such a sweetheart, a real bundle of joy. Despite poor success at the box office, the little dear has brought new happiness to this household.
In a situation such as this, the older boy has right to be resentful towards his ghoulish folks. Those sympathetic toward him have right to feel ill of his folks for their ridiculous and unjust behavior. Had he been treated normal, then his friends and people who know him and like him for who he is wouldn't have any reason to complain or speak badly about his parents. So what if his younger brother were successful, given he was provided a normal life and not screwed over by his own parents. There would be no reason to complain about the younger brother, and no reason to complain about the parents. Let's throw the parents and the younger brother out of the equation as you have, -1. Would the older brother go about complaining about himself and his friends about him just because they didn't have the younger brother and the parents to complain about? That is absurd!
Another silly factor in this whole matter are the silly people who go around saying, "Eh, the older brother is too old, ugly, and boring. His parents were right to lock him in the basement, he was their kid after all and they had the right to do whatever they wanted with him. Now STFU!" Liking the younger brother better is one thing, and that is just fine. But justifying the parents for locking him in the basement and taking their side, that is something else entirely.
Just as a website that works to boost cancer awareness and raise money for the treatment of cancer would be unneeded if cancer did not exist, neither would a site like this one where we boost awareness of the foul treatment the older brother received and make petitions and beg that he be treated like a normal human being. The people in charge of the cancer awareness and fund raising site are likely to be proud of their site and the effort they and their supporters have put forth, but they would be more than happy for it to have never existed in exchange for cancer having never existed. Just as we would be perfectly happy for OT.com to have never existed in exchange for the older brother never having been treated the way he has been.
So, once the older brother is released, treated as a real person, and let to live his life, we will put down our signs, stop making a fuss, and go home happy. Until then, we will continue to make our stink and stand up for the rights of our friend. They can tell us to STFU all they like, but no one will make us STFU. They can say we are obsessive, loosers, fossils, and old fools all they like, but we will continue to stand up for what we know is right. This, and this alone is why we complain and why we will not be silenced!
Remastered TOS is a very different situation, I am sure you realize that, but for some reason, people are bent on comparing that with the SW SE and CG additions to other films. The fact of the matter is, TOS in its original form is on DVD in a pretty decent form. You can still buy those DVDs, nobody is telling you you cannot. Most importantly, TOS Remastered was done out of neccessity, not out of desire to go back and redo things for kicks and giggles. The original effects, having been made with the intention of being show on a small TV screen, were not fit for HD resolutions. The replacement CG effects, in every episode I have seen, were very close to the original effects only CG. They didn't change the design of the Enterprise or try to make it look more modern or better match the ships from TNG, DS9, VOY, or the films. Trek Remastered was a neccessary exercise, and the people doing it did the best job possible in keeping them close to their original incarnation.
Inside of Jabba's palace there are several scene of him that are reversed, you can tell really easily because his antena is on the wrong side of his helmet. These are shot of him casually standing against the wall in Jabba's palace, before the skiff fight, I think a few of them take place when Leia and Jabba are haggeling over a price for Chewie. It has been so long since I have seen ROTJ, I really don't remember all that well.
Be warned, if you are the type of person who is bothered by this sort of thing, forget what you have heard here today, once you notice these shots, they will likely bug you from now on everytime you watch the movie.
LOL, not sure where that hype is coming from, but the poor fools who think they are getting anything new are not. These are exactly what we already have, only they are in silly little slimline cases instead of the full sized ones.
Alright Gaffer, I was at the store today, and I decided to zip by the DVD section today just to check out the back of the PT boxset. It says something along the lines off, the first three parts of the Star Wars Saga follow Anakin Skywalker as he goes from a young slave boy to an evil Sith Lord...
So, yeah...
EDIT: Ah, TheTome, after a quick google search, I figured out the mystery of the never seen before deleted scenes. Since they haven't changed anything on these discs and it has the same contents as the previous releases, they simply copied all the contents information from the original DVD release, that actually DID contain never seen before deleted scenes. This set contains those same deleted scenes, but of course they are no longer never seen before. Sloppy marketing. It is good to know there are some things you can count on LFL to deliver on 100% of the time.
Dude, seriously, why are you wasting precious time chewing out people for complaining about Star Trek in a thread intended for complaining about Star Trek?
Following your same line of logic, there are a bazillion other threads for discussing ST on this forum, including at least one dedicated to the new movie, feel free to complain about complaining in there, but if you are getting annoyed at people giving the new film a hard time, maybe it wouldn't hurt to ignore this whole thread.
Just a thought.
From what I understand, you are not even allowed to air the originals anymore, or at least LFL recalled all copies of it so that the SE was the only one that could be aired. I suppose this may have been done again with the 2004 SE.
Something kind of funny, in 2005, the week before ROTS was released, TBS aired all of the OT. At this point I still hadn't had a chance to see the new '04 changes, so while flipping through channels and happening across ANH, I decided to stick around and see the new Jabba, but it turned out that it was the 1997 SE. Ha, stupid TBS playing the "unfinished" version of the film. Since the 2004 SE was only released half a year or so before, I can't help but feel that maybe LFL decided they didn't want to provide people the luxery of the lovely new changes without them paying for the DVDs.
Wow, that sight seven posted is pretty cool. I'd love to do that kind of stuff.
Yeah, there is a "snow creature" head about half way down this page, http://www.tomspinadesigns.com/Sculpture.html
It is right next to a few other Star Wars characters, they don't call it a wampa, obviously they seem to stick to generic names, but it is obviously a wampa, but I think even Ady's wampa with the CG horns looks considerably better than this one. This guy just doesn't quite look right.
Scroll down to the very bottom of the page, and there is a mounted Tauntaun head, LOL, how awesome would it be to have that hanging on the wall in your home! Be quite a conversation piece. If I were a multi millionaire, I'd be commissioning guys like this to build me all sorts of crazy stuff.
Siliconmaster482 said:...it still amuses me to see how everyone always works to make peace with the hardcore purists. Not a bad thing by any means, just entertaining. :D
How is everyone working to make peace with hardcore purists here?
Nanner Split said:I can't even remember the last time I was this pumped for a fan edit.
Shroud of the Darkside, perhaps?
I have always considered Christmas to be Life Day. Obviously they couldn't call it Christmas on the Holiday Special, since Star Wars takes place in another galaxy. But the Holiday Special was obviously aiming for a Christmas like holiday.
Oops, it originally aired before Thanksgiving. Since it originally aired on Nov. 17, I'd say that is the best candidate for Life Day. Darn, we missed it!
negative1 said:
ok, the truth is out !!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm the college buddy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
holy fricking cow, yes that's my situation EXACTLY , are you spying on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that's the situation down to the exact way you described it !!!! (ok, maybe i'm a little more
organized)...... i know that once upon a time, i had friends go through this 'phase', and
i wondered what the big deal was...... it's very insidous...as i seem to be caught up in it too..
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the worst part is how easy it is to find obscure stuff..
Sounds like an epidemic! Yeah, it is very easy to find obscure stuff. All these things I dreamed about owning or watching again since I was a kid, and suddenly there they are. Wholes in my comic collection and issues I had never had a chance to read, there they are, nice small compact files, read beautifully on the PC screen (not that I even have time to read comics anymore), many of them impossible to find in the real world unless you dedicate your life to searching for them, and now instead of filling up boxes and boxes, they only feel up a few discs.
I started down that dark path myself, infected by my college friend no doubt. One evening my wife and I were suppose to go out somewhere, and I had just discovered a motherload of somethings I absolutely could not live without. After a period of "Yes dear, I am almost ready, just one more second, I have something I need to take care of", "Hang on, I'm almost finished" "Just give me a few more seconds", "be there in a minute", "hold on, almost there", etc. She finally stopped nagging me, after getting a few more things started I got up and in two seconds I was ready to go out the door. I shouted down the hall way that I was ready to go, but go no response. Finally I went to the bedroom to find her in her pajamas watching TV. Needless to say, we didn't go out that night, and I felt like a total jerk. I thought of my college friend's wife, and how much she complains about how he is always in front of the computer, and decided I didn't want that to become me. The next day (after the things I couldn't live without finished downloading of course ;) I uninstalled my newgroup reader and my torrent program and never looked back... I've been dry for going on 16 months now (okay, not really, I still "sneak a drink" from time to time, but I broke the habbit of DLing just because I could.
When doing movie screenings, I really like to show a trailer for the actual movie we are about to watch right before showing it. For example, TPM trailer, TPM film, AOTC trailer, AOTC film, etc. Kind of builds the excitment up and sells the film right before showing it.
I think Adywan's SW:R is the way to go, Lucas approved order, but not Lucas approved versions. Since that is the film most people have seen the most, and know so well, the changes give it a flare of new life, and it gets rid of the worst of the SE changes and errors in coloring correction. For ESB and ROTJ, I'd stick to the 04 discs, since they look way better than the GOUT and fit better with the PT.
You going to watch all of these in one sitting? Phew, I couldn't do it, I am the guy who has to watch the LOTR trilogy in hour long segments. Just can't sit still in front of the TV for that long, especially for something I have seen a few times before in recent years. Of course, if it is a massive big screen theatrical experience, then I can manage to sit for very long stints.
Hmm, having just checked in on the "You know what is better than Star Wars" thread, I might add that it would be pretty interesting to take a bunch of McQuarrie art from each of the OT films, and make three brief slide shows for each film, putting the pictures in chronological order according to the film, then putting a musical piece over them, and playing each of those before each episode of the OT. They'll be fresh on everyones mind as they watch the movie, and they can see how the film matches up with the art. Just one or two minute long slide shows.