Broom Kid

krausfadr said:

The three main formatting options for a ZSJL edit would be to keep it as-is in IMAX format (1.33), crop to 2.39 to match Batman v Superman, or crop to 1.78 to fit a standard widescreen tv. I personally would opt for the 1.78 because this leaves as much of the original picture intact as possible on a standard tv, while not having black bars on the top or sides. It would also not be jarringly different from BVS should someone wish to watch BVS and ZSJL back to back.

For what it’s worth, both Snyder and the Director of Photography have repeatedly gone on the record in pre-production AND production that they storyboarded and framed the movie for 1.85:1, and if you literally do nothing more than hit the zoom button on your TV (thus cropping the frame down to 1.78:1) you’ll see that roughly 95% of the film’s composition works perfectly. There are a handful of shots that seem too tight however, and those shots would be the ones you’d need to manually move within the 1.78 frame (meaning instead of being center-framed, as most of the movie is, the 1.78 is top-edged or bottom-edged.)

Essentially: The film was pre-planned, blocked, and shot to work first and foremost in 1.85:1. The “IMAX” thing is an after-the-fact conceit Snyder applied to the film in the Snyder Cut’s post-production. The movie was meant to be seen in 1.85 when they created and shot it. Cropping it back down to that aspect ratio (or 1.78, in this case) is honestly getting it closer to its “original version” than the Snyder Cut is.

FWIW: I think Diana foiling the terrorist thing could go - I like the idea of her introduction into the movie following the Amazonians firing the beacon arrow. The idea that the death scream leads straight into the Amazonian fight is a very good idea too.

I don’t think the Superman vs the League fight should go - although it’d honestly be so much cleaner if he shot up into the sky, hovered there, and then just left. You could imply Lois saw him, figured it out, and met with him at the farm later, thus sort of inserting SOME agency to her character. But if the fight is staying, I think the Whedon version of it is honestly better, especially with regards to Batman having brought Lois there as opposed to Lois just kind of having her weird ritual with old Jimmy Olsen interrupted with her dead boyfriend’s resurrection.

sherlockpotter said:

For what it’s worth, I’m absolutely in love with RogueLeader’s reinterpretation of the film - rather than making the film all about Rey’s past, it would be reinterpreted to being about her future. It would emphasize the internal conflict she has about accepting or rejecting the vision of her falling to the Dark Side. To me, it’s the interpretation that feels most in line with TLJ’s themes of Rey letting go of her past; and it also feels like the cleanest direction to take the film out of the different versions discussed.

Also, RL’s hangar scene is just…*chef’s kiss*

I second all this. And third it too, for good measure.

leftshoe18 said:

So Star Wars Biomes came out on Disney+ today and has a nice landscape shot of Mustafar. Any chance something like that could be used for an establishing shot to help slow down the beginning of the movie a little?

The best way to “slow down” the beginning of the movie is to get rid of Mustafar entirely and just skip to the nebula jump-in. The movie feels slower and more evenly paced while simultaneously starting the actual plot faster. It’s also much more in keeping with tradition (such as it is) with Star Wars openings.

Thanks so much for the prompt and direct response! Very much appreciated.

Hello everybody. Apologies for the following, since I’m sure versions of this have happened (and keep happening) over the course of this edit’s life. I’ve been away from the site for quite a bit, and saw a YouTube video essay the other day by Royal Ocean Film Society, specifically about the phenomena of Fan Edits (I recommend it if you haven’t seen it yet, it’s a very measured and interesting “outsider’s” take on the stuff that’s gone on here and at fanedits.org for over a decade now) and I don’t remember if he specifically name-dropped this project, or just implied very, very strongly that he was talking about this project, but I thought I’d come back to see if it had actually released, and lo and behold, it has… and it hasn’t! The revisions are still ongoing, and it looks like I exited stage left somewhere around page 270 or so, and have returned to page 4(k)77!

I went through a LARGE amount of these pages, and saw some very cool and interesting revisions to the revisions of the revisions in that time, but I couldn’t necessarily find any concrete answers, so I figure I’d ask them here (hence the apology at the beginning) and see if I just flat out missed them in my crawl, or if the answers weren’t there:

1. Is Rey Nobody a forthcoming revision of this project, or is it a separate edit that will be using this as its base?

2. All respect to everyone who worked on the mountain of additions that went into rehabbing the Mustafar Minute, but is there a version of this edit that just cuts to the chase (literally and figuratively) and opens with the tilt down to the nebula with Kylo’s Interceptor jumping into frame?

Thanks!

StarkillerAG said:

Yes, you did.

No. I really didn’t. My posts are all right there, man. I’m not gonna keep doing this.

Sorry.

I think the red lightning looks cool, the glow it provides is cool-looking and the overall effect of the red lightning hitting a purple and blue lightsaber provides a very distinctive frame, visually. It makes sense that this “all the jedi vs all the sith” symbolic throwdown contains virtually all the colors (we’re missing green, but maybe some of that can shine out when he explodes)

StarkillerAG said:

You were the one who started with the whole “what we need in Star Wars right now” thing

No, I didn’t. Please stop doing this. It’s not a large thread, the posts aren’t hard to find, they’re all right there.

I just don’t see why redemption stories are always bad, or why villain characters shouldn’t be allowed redemption.

I never said either of these things either. Just that I would like a Star Wars movie where this wasn’t a key aspect for once. There was never anything on my part that said “redemption stories are bad” or “villains shouldn’t get redemption.” I’m not dismissing redemption stories entirely, I’m saying I, myself, would like to not see one in Star Wars for awhile, even just for the novelty of not having that aspect play such a big role.

StarkillerAG said:
But I could also argue that in a time of such heated political debates, with both sides seemingly willing to start a second US civil war at the flip of a switch, I don’t know if a movie that says “your enemies are beyond all hope, kill them all” is what we really need right now.

This is twice you’ve tried to make what I said into a completely separate thing and I still don’t understand why you’re doing it.

Lord of the Rings and other fantasy related stories get away with it because they’re good stories executed well, which is all any story needs to “get away” with almost anything. I legit don’t understand why a Star Wars fan would immediately, automatically, reject the notion that it would be nice for a new Star Wars movie to NOT be so hung up on a redemption narrative.

And yes, Darth Vader’s Redemption in the OT was mostly unsatisfying dramatically. The satisfaction in the OT’s end wasn’t Vader’s redemption, but Luke’s success. Return of the Jedi is the least satisfying of the three and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it’s the one that became a story about saving Darth Vader. Luke’s success is what made it work, not Vader’s redemption. The two are interlinked, but they’re not the same thing. Kylo’s arc was bad because it was poorly written, executed poorly, and in the end, the focus on his arc at the expense of almost everyone else’s story made that story unsatisfying. Which is why I said It’d be nice if there was a new Star Wars movie that wasn’t so focused on redeeming the genocidal idiot bad guy for once.

I don’t get how your argument ever really addresses my suggestion that a Star Wars movie not focused on a “redeem the bad guy” narrative could be fun to watch, and that giving the “redeem the bad guy” narrative a rest is a valid option they could pursue. I simply would like to see that again. It worked pretty well back in 1977, for example. Star Wars doesn’t only have to be the one kind of story, and I’d like to see a more simple good v. evil story in this fantasy movie.

I don’t see what’s so wrong with that.

Regardless of your political leanings, I don’t think it’s very good to simplify one side into being a bunch of complete monsters who do evil things just for shits and giggles. That’s not how real life conflict works.

It’s a fantasy movie though.

I would like for my fantasy movies to contain the fantasy where good people can be good without it being part of a larger, much more important narrative that being good means forgiving and uplifting absolute monsters

The sympathetic Vader/Kylo figures are ultimately THE focal point of all 9 Skywalker Saga movies. There might be something between that focal point and why ultimately the saga is unsatisfying dramatically and emotionally, is all I’m saying.

I also never said “no one in a fascist state should be allowed any sympathetic motivations” (although… why are we worried about fictional fascists being coddled here?) what I actually said was the “redemption” narrative, especially when that redemption is solely centered on genocidal fascists, could take some time off.

Star Wars came out shortly after the country (barely) survived a Nixonian hellscape (and it can be argued it wasn’t defeated, it just metastacized into its current form) and that simplistic take on good and evil is historically cited as one of THE biggest reasons it was a feel-good four-quadrant success. In that instance, it WAS very good to simplify one side.

We could use that now, is what I’m saying. Instead of yet another iteration on the “redeem the bad guy” narrative.

I feel like Star Wars movies whose focus is primarily on “understanding” and identifying with fascist dictators (homicidal/genocidal fascist dictators, at that) is a thing we should be more or less done with for awhile. I don’t need a movie about Darth Vader, or Kylo Ren, or any other bad guy who is REALLY just “misunderstood” and needs the right show of love to turn him to the light.

I’d like a movie by any set of storytellers about good people learning how to be better people at while triumphing over bad people who are doing bad things for their own benefit.

God, I’d love to see a story like that in Star Wars.

Revenge of the Sith had a good enough last act to make people remember it more fondly than it probably should be. It’s very much like “Jurassic World” in that sense: It’s probably not THAT good a movie, but it hits that last half-hour so hard that you’re not against watching it again if given the chance.

The Siege of Mandalore arc on Clone Wars is a better Revenge of the Sith than Revenge of the Sith was. I don’t think that’s exaggeration, either - it does the things that movie wants to do, but does them better. Which is probably why people took on the task of trying to cut the two together despite the fact even the best attempts at it would come off like that weird, ungainly “Watchmen Ultimate Cut”

jedi_bendu said:

Jordan Maison, a guy who’s had reliable Star Wars ‘scoops’ in the past, says there should be a trailer 2:

https://twitter.com/JordanMaison/status/1311698063233372160?s=20

The only thing that guy ever “scooped” was The Clone Wars coming back, and IIRC it wasn’t so much that he scooped it as he was the last person to “guess” it out loud before an announcement was made. He’s really good at “guessing” things that are beyond obvious and then just waiting for that obvious thing to happen. That doesn’t make him a scooper, though.

But then again, he’s also way nicer, and loads less obnoxious than 99% of all fandom “scoopers” or “insiders” so better he gets that attention than someone who honestly believes hearing behind-the-scenes news makes them an important “reporter” with status or whatever.

But still “Sources tell me the most popular tv show on Disney+ will have more than a single commercial” isn’t a particularly hard “scoop” to “leak.”

Jedi Temple Archives is… bad, right?

I thought I remembered them being bad.

aw mannnnn

I keep thinking “wow, enough with Ahsoka already” but then they show me what they’re doing with her and I’m like “OK… alright, you got me again. This is the goods.”

At this point, the idea of her being essentially the GANDALF of Star Wars is pretty cool. Seeing her make the jump to live action will also be pretty cool. Eventually, she’ll pass on, and it seems remarkable (or ridiculous) looking back how this complete RETCON of a person has surpassed so many other characters in the saga in terms of personality, arc, impact, and three-dimensionality, but the way it’s been done has always essentially justified itself, no matter how outlandish it seems on the surface.

Don’t underestimate how many people loathed the direction that TLJ was going in

I’m sure it’s in the thousands, sure. Thousands can seem like a lot of people if you’re packed into a convention hall, or watching a minor league sporting event. But when you’re dealing with tens of MILLIONS of tickets sold, blu-rays bought, and streams counted, thousands aren’t a whole hell of a lot.

Return of the Jedi is correctly rated.

Hey, that’s fine! It’s a good sign that he read the responses, which is what matters. Maybe he won’t be so hasty (and loud) in the future, wherever that is.

Seriously, the blending, detail, grain managment, and DNR is very good on this release. Everything looks as close to uniform as it can considering the obstacles to overcome.

It’s easier to blend the two sources together by using a blend of DNR and film grain overlays. The uniformity of the resultant image texture makes the film more immersive, and the eye is less inclined to spot the seams where sources change and change back again. This exact same method was used for the Oohteedee versions, and will be used for the Harmy 3.0s coming soon, too. IIRC he used the same method on the 2.0 versions? I might have that wrong.

It’s not a matter of “SCREW DNR, IN FACT, LET’S ADD SOME DIRT,” it’s a matter of recognizing the pluses and minuses inherent to the source and using the tools at hand to make the most cohesive final product. Even in DNR’d versions of the OT, there’s still film grain present and visible, which makes sense because those movies were shot on film and grain is inherent to that format.

There are probably blu-rays on your shelf right now–blu-rays you think are amazing–that also, after doing a DNR pass or 2 (or 5) add a low-opacity grain overlay to the image. It’s not a weird, fetishistic film-fanatic-only move. It’s done quite a bit both professionally AND in the scrappier realm of amateur film-restoration.

FWIW, the grain plate added to this version is very subtle. It’s not like they filmed a swarm of mosquitoes and hit the clone tool and then just glued it to the blu-ray footage. It’s a very fine grain, I believe matched as closely as possible to a DNR’d version of 4k83 (which still has visible film grain in it) and laid over the UHD source. I’m sure they could speak to how they did it much more clearly (and authoritatively) than I could, but I think that’s what happened. (edit: while I was typing that, that’s EXACTLY what happened, LOL).

It’s not my preferred ROTJ restoration, but the image quality (detail, resolution) is not one of the things I’d fault for that at all: The job they did in blending the footage together - including their use of a grain overlay to match the sources - is pretty great. And I bet if you’d actually WATCHED this version instead of just reading about it, you’d likely have agreed.

Those are bad things, though.

Your tone is different but it feels like the same hand waving lumping together the general audience opinion based on assumptions of their consensus, then when it swings the other way circumstances

So what about the post I initially responded to sounded like the whistlings of a canary in a coal mine, or “undeniable echoes” as such?

Are you devil’s advocating in general, or do you honestly believe there’s some merit in the unrealistic assertion that people “tolerated” TFA to the astronomical success it enjoyed, and that “pent-up rage” is responsible for TLJ’s lesser box-office success? And did you honestly believe one of the four quadrants in a studio’s four-quadrant audience targeting was “online fandom?” I guess I’m not sure what hypothetical outcome you’re protecting for here, and that you think I’m unfairly dismissing out of hand.

“The deeper conversation” is better and more worthwhile when (observably false) appeals to authority are lessened, not allowed (and made room) for. If you (I’m using the royal “you” here, to clarify) have to gin up mistaken realities to support your personal feelings about a work of art, your personal feelings could probably do with more reflection, investigation, and examination before sharing them.

Also: a possible alternate for the repeated trailer music requests might be the slow statement of the main title heard when Han first sees the Falcon from the Solo soundtrack.

this upcoming soundtrack release might provide a higher quality version

Can’t imagine it won’t be. The current version of that track is ripped from the surround channels, isn’t it? This will be taken from the studio recordings directly, not an after-the-fact rescue job from the film mix.

it’s when you say those feelings are only with the fandom you also are making an assumption of reality

It’s not so much an assumption as it is an accumulation of experience. It’s not dismissing fandom to say it’s a small, much less-important voice compared to the general audience’s, it’s observable fact. Fandom isn’t as important as it likes to think it is, and has proven as such over, and over, and over again.

I’ve never said feelings within the fandom are exclusive to the fandom, and have repeatedly admitted there are members of the general audience whose opinion will (and do) overlap with members of the fandom’s. But that doesn’t validate or elevate the fandom’s status beyond their place as a loud and passionate minority of the much larger general audience.

The initial claim was honestly pretty ridiculous and that’s why I spoke up. I don’t understand what’s wrong with that. YouTube comment rhetoric isn’t the same as a cogent argument with legitimate support.

FWIW - I don’t remember if it was this edit that was using a subtle DOTF drop (taken from John Powell’s Solo score) but the deluxe version of that score is going to be released digitally soon, so a better/cleaner rip of that music can be sourced from there when it comes out.