I did not cut it!
Well, I did not cut ALL of it. It’s sort of like in Spectre how you only needed “And now we know what C stands for.”
Him deadpanning “Are you kidding me?” is legitimately funny.
I think I’m locked at a final running time of 2:06:12
I appreciate the reach out anyway though, thanks! I’m okay with keeping Guy Henry’s vocal performance as-is, I’ve already trimmed down some of Tarkin’s lines in this cut anyway.
The other thing that jumped out at me that I don’t think I noticed as much on previous watches - I mean I noticed it, but I don’t think I noticed how much of it was still hanging around - there was obviously an edit of this movie where Cassian and Jyn clearly have a much flirtier relationship that culminates with kissyface in that elevator on Scarif. In the original cut, nothing actually happens in the elevator (in this Special Edition I’ve simply gotten rid of the elevator ride altogether) but there are still like three or four weird moments setting that up still orphaned in the theatrical cut.
Now, seeing as Bix is a real thing and we know where she is and who she’s holding in a wheat field somewhere, none of that can stay. But it was interesting seeing how much of the theatrical cut seemed to tie Jyn’s maturation as a character and getting over her dads’ abandonment of her, into her suddenly wanting to make out with Cassian.
Editing Jyn was interesting: I found a lot of what improves Jyn’s character came from trimming out the more demonstrative and overtly smartass moments (i.e. curtseying and “I appreciate the support” after Cassian volunteers, for example) and doing way more with how expressive Jones is as an actor. The weakest part of her character was her putting up a front anyway. It was always unbelievable, and nobody in those scenes ever really believed it, so why keep any of that stuff? She’s wounded but earnest, and that’s what’s on her face, and that’s what comes through. And if this cut is trying to be a better bridge between Andor and Star Wars, this version of Jyn hopefully works better as a midway point between Cassian and Luke Skywalker, too. I’m aiming for a little more openly earnest, but still scuffed up and pissed off. The key difference is that she believes to a degree Cassian just can’t.
The crimey wiseass doesn’t play, and she drops it as soon as anyone pokes her hard enough in the eye so… just skip to the part where she’s being angrily earnest in the first place. Less fronting, less words, more emoting, better pace. Less lines, and more room to read between them, I guess.
Presumably you have heard this voice adjustment. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Bp9Z3wbEj/
I haven’t! I don’t have facebook and clicking that link brings me to a locked page.
I’m familiar with a guy named Canadian Vader on YouTube as well - his style is, to cite the Beastie Boys, slower and lower in general. It’s a good impersonation, but I prefer the Golden performance of that scene.
I also haven’t been able to find anyone doing anything with “Prepare a boarding party” but that ended up being a non-issue because that scene is mostly cut in this Special Edition anyway.
Yup! I don’t think there’s any other way to get it. I used yt-dlp, grabbed the highest bitrate possible, converted it to the proper framerate, retimed it, and had to re-edit to fit the scene proper since the scene as uploaded to youtube is also slightly edited IIRC. While I was in there doing all that and converting it to mono for the center channel mixing I added a little bit of extra processing to nudge it a LITTLE closer to taste towards 1977 Vader.
Is there a better source available? I honestly didn’t mind that the YouTube source was what it was in this instance since 77 Vader isn’t exactly hi-fi sounding in the first place.
Well, I don’t think he’s getting tortured for longer, I think he gets chucked in the cell right after the scene ends. I’ve never read it as Saw’s got him plugged into the mindreading ballsack the whole time 😃 Also nothing says Saw’s not bs’ing him a little either. Saw’s on that Rhydo. He says a lotta things, haha.
But since it’s a tone thing, not a plot thing for me, the only real argument I think I can make for it, is if it plays in the context of the cut! But if it doesn’t, the fact I’ve got it consolidated into a single 3-min sequence should make it super-easy to lift right out for folks who prefer a more plot-oriented POV on the edit!
In the theatrical I agree it seemed like he got Bor Gullet’d and then took a nap and was good, LOL.
But I think placing the now-3min sequence between Rings of Kafrene and Krennic meeting Tarkin, the movie-time between Saw being a giant weirdo (and Mon underlining that through dialog about 6min later) and Cassian/Chirrut/Baze finding him during Galen’s message, the “getting over it right away” doesn’t actually feel like that anymore: Instead of checking back in with Bodhi every 6-7min, now he’s getting absolutely screwed by the Partisans in one intense 3min glut (if this was a reshoot then this is Gilroy work, which makes a little more sense as to why it fits butted up against the Andor/Tivik scene that was also straight Gilroy work) then Tarkin talks about him, then the Alliance talks about him, then we see the Empire flipping Jedha upside down for him, and when we finally see him again outside of the one hologram on the street, it’s about 30min later and he’s mumbling to himself about being the Pilot.
Since my aim is trying to rebalance tone and characterization in the context of Andor being released & Rogue One having aged 7 years, that Bor Gullet is not as plot important (and you’re 100% right, it never was!) isn’t a big deal I don’t think. The focus for me is more on what introducing Saw fully before the Alliance does for that tone, and poking at how what he’ll do to Bodhi (and how Bodhi will endure it) will feel like for post-Andor rewatchers. Can I heighten what’s happening without overtly bringing in references FROM that show; but calling that feel to mind through reshaping all those scenes into one sequence by cutting for pacing/performance.
LOL that is probably the gentlest way to put the absolute most pressure on me possible 😃
Seriously though, Thank you, man! And hopefully this works for most folks, although if some of the choices do not work for some viewers, hopefully it can become the base for some “half-ass” edits for other folks! In the reddit version of this thread, the reinstatement of Bor Gullet (which is a thing that’s happening here) has caused some “hmmmmmm’s” to pop out - which I get!
But also, I figure at this point, what made Bor Gullet cuttable in 2017 is not as applicable in 2025. When the movie came out, all we knew of Saw was The Clone Wars and a Rebels appearance? So him being a complete wackjob with a pet beanbag monster was… WAY out there. But now? Oh, Saw Gerrera drooling and shouting and taking massive hits of Rhydo is extreeeemely in character, LOL. Plus now Bodhi’s defection/capture is one 3 minute sequence, it’s not cut up and spread around the first half of the movie anymore.
“They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally, they became heroes.”
-Senator Leia Organa of Alderaan, as quoted by Alan Dean Foster
Star Wars, from the Adventures of Luke Skywalker, by George Lucas (Nov. 1976)
Hello there!
So, this wasn’t supposed to happen, LOL. As some of you might have seen, this was, originally, just a test reel of a couple tweaks, based on a couple suggestions, in Hal’s thread about his halfass (yeah, right) edit of DigMod’s Rise of the Rebellion cut of Rogue One. But then I just uh… kept making changes? Not to the edit, but to the whole movie?
Next thing you know: I look away from the monitor, it’s a couple weeks later, I’m verging on a case of carpal tunnel, and a full-blown fanedit has happened. It ended up moving pretty far past the scope of just applying some tweaks to pre-existing edits (although some of those pre-existing choices by Hal and DigMod are still in here, because they’re too damn good), and by then I was about 99% done, so… yeah. I guess I did another Star Wars fanedit!
And then I did a trailer for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_dUgMflIus
So the idea is… well, here, let the YouTube description sum it up in short
A trailer for a new fanedit of Rogue One (2016), incorporating VFX and voice-over fixes from fans, a few edit ideas from previous fan-editors, and all-new changes to the film; in an attempt to make it a tighter, more tonally consistent, structurally solid bridge between both Star Wars (1977) AND Andor (2022-2025) - without trying to rework it as a “series finale” for that show, or moving it towards being a standard prequel full of references & callbacks.
Trailer Music: Quantum Field by Rok Nardin
Tarkin Deepfakes by Shamook
Vader voice-over by Ryan Golden via Star Wars Theory
Select edit ideas by Hal9000 and DigModiFicaTion
I’ll replace this post with the deets and the “you can download now, please don’t just beg for links, it makes everyone sad, DM me instead” bits when the edit goes up here soon, aiming for the end of June/beginning of July, hopefully no later than 4th of July weekend
Any questions, comments, whatever you got, I’m all ears!
one half of one! It happens pretty quick, too.
edit: I almost forgot I put it up on YouTube for people to stumble across, LOL.
This is how the movie now opens, and where the 1/2 of a deleted scene appears -
honestabe said:
I apologize if my post came across as aggressive.
Nah, you didn’t come off aggressive at all, don’t sweat that! It just gave me a moment to realize I hadn’t quite clocked or thought it all the way through, LOL. It’s okay. I’m gonna hang back for another month since as it turns out, that’s when the guy whose project this is gets back in here, and he’s gonna actually take another pass at this!
It’s all good 😃
honestabe said:
I think you made enough changes for a new thread. I also do not want Hal’s thread to get sidetracked here. I would like for him to retire from editing like he stated a while back. He has contributed more than enough to the fan editing community.
Just saw this, and straight off - apologies if I overstepped. I didn’t realize a) Hal was trying to get out of the game and b) this could be construed as putting a buncha stuff on his plate. I was basically just getting the ideas on their feet to see if they’d work and/or what you guys thought of seeing them as audio/video and not just theory. I’ll reach out - which I shoulda done in the first place!
Sounds interesting. Would definitely like to see some clips!
Alright, here’s the halfass clipshow!
https://vimeo.com/1089604497/96ef54b8e8
Just thought it’d be interesting to see some of these ideas up on their feet
I agree with those calling to reinstate the Andor/Tivik scene.
I’d also argue the following:
- I think it’s now worth reinstating Cassian’s instructions from Draven to kill Galen Erso. As you argued originally, it was to keep the audience in Jyn’s perspective and related to her line on trust. But in retrospect now we’re coming from the Andor show, I think its inclusion adds more value, by adding more tension to their mission earlier, given that the Andor we know is off to do something perfectly reasonable given the context but that will put him in conflict with our newly introduced focal/vital character.
- I’d remove the scene of Jyn climbing up out of the records vault and having to dodge a slicing door that’s for some reason on a weird open-shut timer. I don’t think it adds any legitimate threat, and only comes off as a bit goofy tonally.
I had time today after finishing another project early (and apparently after succumbing to a wish to give myself carpal tunnel after the last month of doing this way too much) so I actually halfassed Hal’s halfassery that is, of course, wholeassed-but-just-humble-about-it-really 😃
SO: I went through the last couple pages of this thread today, and took note of the suggestions, and decided to try implementing them just to see if they’d work in a cut, and then I got a couple ideas while I was in there, so I just… did 'em. In the spirit of halfassing stuff and all. I can post clips of some of this stuff for people’s perusal if interested?
Correct, the audio from this (the runtime and the fps should be exactly the same down to the millisecond, LOL) should be easily muxable into any mkv of this ep (720p, 480p, 4K HDR) once extracted in full. Anyone with an existing 4K HDR/DV rip of this should be able to just drop the .ac3 file into their muxer of choice and voila.
It would be kind of comedically overkill to share the entirety of a 40+min .ac3 file solely to get a single syllable restored in the sound-mix, but that’s where we are, because LFL wouldn’t get out of Tony’s way on this one.
This is GREAT news, especially for massive fans of both Tartakovsky and this micro-series. I’m super happy to see this. Congrats to everyone involved, and honestly, congrats to us for getting to time travel back to 2005.
I get it, I just disagree. but it’s not my cut and I wouldn’t stop anyone, or want to, from making their cut look and sound the way they want it, either. Apologies if it’s reading as overstepping, I don’t mean for it to come off that way! Just sharing (probably oversharing) my thoughts in the wake of the show.
For what it’s worth though, my understanding was that Partagaz ultimately approved her arrest, and essentially set her up to be the patsy (more or less) for Ghorman in the first place. Tarkin chumps Krennic, Krennic tries to end run him and THATS when he hits the ceiling. That Vader considers him an annoyance is the point: Krennic thinks he’s a big dog who can end run Tarkin after Tarkin big dogs him, and gets casually choked for it like it’s nothing. It’s not even a finger being laid on his head. And for as much as Andor concerns itself (and is great because of this) with the lower echelons of both the Rebellion AND the Empire, it’s worth remembering the real ceilings in BOTH those institutions ARE Force-powered, ultimately. When we get to THE linking piece between 2025 and 1977, there’s really no reason to pretend otherwise anymore from a storytelling perspective (which Gilroy himself understood by slow-rolling The Force into Andor midway through S2 as part of his goal to flesh out the movie he saved in 2016)
But again: that’s just clarification into my POV, not an attempt to really change anyone else’s POV, much less change their edits. I want people to do what they feel is right for their cuts and their versions of the things they’re making for their own libraries and to share with their friends and followers more than anything. Apologies again if it came off as anything otherwise.
I don’t think the point is to cut the hallway scene. At least when ive expressed cutting vader its been the scene with krennic on mustifar.
I think cutting him period is probably going too far. Krennic bullying Dedra pays off in the way he ends up becoming just like her when he butts up against that same fascist ceiling in Rogue One. She overreaches and winds up getting put in her place by both Partagaz and then Krennic. Krennic overreaches and gets chumped by both Tarkin, and then Vader. I get the general instinct, but I also feel like Gilroy is looking at Rogue One (and was looking at it when he got called in to fix it in the first place) as he’s making Andor and knows what it is he’s both leading into and also mirroring in subtle ways as he builds out his arcs.
Cutting Vader for the sake of cutting him to make Rogue One feel more like Andor feels, to me, like a short-circuiting of what Andor was doing in the first place by trying to build TO Rogue One.
I’ll DM you the wav of the mix so you can mix it into the episode proper, but yeah, you don’t need to ask permission or anything like that, just go ahead and use it! If I put anything out there, it’s automatically fair game for anyone else to transform however they see fit!
Funny story - I tried posting just that scene, as I had it on YouTube, to reddit on Mother’s Day (I hadn’t posted it to r/fanedits yet and thought that morning “hey, this would be kinda funny”) and it got deleted for “not being a fanedit” so just a heads up - trying to post it to reddit might NOT go so well. I never got an explanation on HOW it’s not a restoration according to their rules, either, but I didn’t think it was worth pressing the issue - it almost never is - especially over a single syllable, LOL.
Yeah. I took that audio, isolated the lines, retimed them (so they’re at the right speed and fit the scene correctly) mixed them into the center channel with Krennic so the levels match, and put that center channel back into the full 5.1 mix for the scene
That one’s not a trim I’d make, I’m afraid. I’m still pro-bridging-content in as many cases as possible. “All of Star Wars is better than any of Star Wars” remains my mantra - no one show, not even Andor, should trump the franchise continuity.
It’s so interesting to me how frequently “cut Vader out of Rogue One” has become the conclusion people are coming to after Andor S2. I can’t see it actually working, especially not since the hallway sequence is one of the most singularly acclaimed bits of Star Wars anything since it came back in 2015
Plus, thematically, (and there is no way Gilroy didn’t do this intentionally in S2 of Andor) anyone who has anything to do with those plans getting out, who touches them, basically gets got. Lonni, Luthen, Melshi, Cass, Jyn… Kleya is the exception but she really does try like hell to die on Coruscant, and is pretty hollowed out when she wakes up on Yavin. Anyway, to even KNOW there are plans, to have the words Death Star inside your head is death (Dedra is going to die in that jail - maybe Kleya only lives because those are the only words she forgot?) - at some point the rebels know this and touch them ANYWAY.
and the Hallway Scene, even though Gilroy had nothing to do with it, still fits that. You boil it down, the iconography, the score, and whaddya got: Rebels, who know that they cannot survive what they’re about to do, but if they do it, the people after them will have a chance, so they do it anyway. It’s a microcosm of the larger themes of both the movie that preceded it, and the prequel Gilroy wrote specifically to lead into that prequel.
ANYWAY: If you need 5.1 audio for both “Fuck the Empire” and the re-voiced Vader/Krennic scene lemme know, I can shoot that over to you no problem
Thanks so much for the kind words you two! And yeah, when Tartakovsky & Co. go hard, they go hard. Primal is probably some of the most intense stuff I’ve seen in a looooong time.
Well, it appears the link is already getting The Dread Quota Cooldown applied to it, BUT: I do believe the tried ‘n’ true method of bypassing said cooldown still applies! You create a shortcut of the file, you create a folder on your own google drive, you put the shortcut in the new folder, and you just download that folder. I’ll link the reddit post that provides the clearest instructions on how to do it (the comments are your typical smattering of “IT DOESN’T WORK… oh wait, nevermind I just did it wrongs” that any comments tend to be under something like this)
…but worse come to worse you might just have to wait a few hours and try again.
NICE! Thank you 😃
Okay, the cut is now live!
CHANGES
I didn’t keep a complete changelist: notating the sheer amount of micro-edits being done to improve pace, cut dialog/the spaces between dialog, would be EXHAUSTING to read, but I can note some of the more impactful alterations to take the show from being 5hrs 29min down to 2hrs 14min
NO YODA. NO PLAGUEIS. Qimir does say the Jedi could call him Sith, but he never does quite say he is one, so considering that Kylo theme keeps getting quoted in the score, it can still be freely headcanon’d that these two somehow start the Knights of Ren, if you like that (most of the “Lore” this show had distracting it from the Kill Bill/Shaw Bros vibe is gone so it’s a lot of room to head canon whatever, really).
While Mae is reticent to participate in the Ascension as per the show (the ceremony itself has been cut down to 70 seconds total before the Jedi interrupt it) her inclination to join the Order is now implied to be an idea not-so-subtly put there BY SOL via the Force. So now when Mother Koril suggests he mindtricked her… well…
The prison ship uprising is entirely told via Sol pulling seven shots from the madman’s head while he’s in Jedi Jail.
Yord is still Yord, but shirtless Yord is, unfortunately, gone. It’s a lot of shirtless Qimir still, though (actually, almost all of that is still here!)
Qimir is not a Stranger. Mae knows who he is in this cut; their Apothecary scene on Olega has been cut so his Kramer-isms are eliminated, his music from the lagoon has been laid into the score, and his voice has been pitched back down to its normal register. His goofy high-pitched persona is only put on for the Jedi. He is not hiding his identity from Mae, and all references to her not knowing who her master is and trying to kill Jedi with no weapon (her blood type is apparently Knife-O-Positive, she just doesn’t have her own lightsaber) are omitted. Since there’s no Plagueis at all, you’re free to imagine that Mae & Qimir have been hanging out at that Dark Side Day-Spa for… awhile now. Getting FAMILIAR. Probably a little tired of each other, too.
Kelnacca’s death isn’t a race between Mae/Qimir & the Jedi anymore, it’s just a straight-up trap in this cut. Everyone knows where Mae’s going (even Ki-Adi Mundi knows it, LOL) We no longer see Mae & Qimir land on Khofar at all. The reveal of Kelnacca’s death now happens as a shaky vision Sol has after Bazil goes missing (“We need a tracker for our tracker”) that he is scared & confused by while Osha is bugging him about being allowed to confront Mae (again.) Immediately after having this vision Bazil starts howling and they take off for his house.
Bazil is mostly gone, too! He’s maybe the only thing in this show weirder and creepier than Sol, and at least you can understand Sol. I don’t know what the hell Bazil is doing, and I think the only real reason he’s on the ship is to get Pip into Mae’s hands. So yeah. The drawer-huffing rat thing is 85% gone!
The big reason Mae & Qimir fall out now is due to her getting pinched by Jecki after letting him do 90% of the dirty work, keeping him out in the open and then trying to bail (she’s clearly a little shook at finding out Osha is alive)
Vernestra is only here to reinforce that she is primarily interested in covering up whatever this is, from beginning to end, however she has to do it. She’s present at the jail when she just wants to pin it on Osha and call it a day; at the secret meeting w/ Ki-Adi (This dude SHOWS UP when Wookiees are down bad, huh!) when she wants the “investigation” out of Sol’s hands because he’s clearly going to screw it up; and when they finally go to the Brendok aftermath. Sorry, no lightwhip sequence while looking at the Khofar aftermath.
Unfortunately, keeping Vernestra Coruscant-bound and only present when needed on cover-up duty means the great David Harewood (the Martian Manhunter himself!) is only in one shot of this cut, at the very end, with no lines, when she is chucking Sol’s dead body under all four tires of the bus and telling the bus to back up.
Mae no longer suggests Osha can and will come find her at the end, and Qimir no longer says he will “attempt” to wipe her memory. He says definitively that he can, and he does - she doesn’t stumble or try to recite another syllable of their poem once he performs the mindwipe.
Other than that, it’s just a lot of shoe-leather getting removed, mostly: wipes to and from locations (this show had a LOT of wipes!) where people basically just have variations on the same conversations (“Why won’t you let me have revenge?” “Why do you keep telling me this very obvious thing I refuse to believe for no reason?” “Why are you pretending not to know the thing you and I were both there for?”) before getting to the scene where characters and/or plot actually advance, typically through VERY COOL fight sequence, as a proper kung-fu revenge flick SHOULD resolve most emotional conflicts.