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#161425
Topic
Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161425/action/topic#161425
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
see thats a very interesting issue, i honestly dont think that the government would kidnapp the guy an submit him to hours of testing and what not, this is not a fantasy world bossk, things you see in movies dont nessaraly apply, what you should worry about is if a drug company kidnapped him to do that, cause they are the ones that would make billions if they ever found a cure. the only government in the western world that i wouldnt trust is the american gov(sry) but i dont thing that any of the european govs would do it nor would the canadian. its somethign i would expect from the chinese gov, but this situation is in england and i trust that the english gov wouldnt do that.


I don't think they'll necessariliy up-and-out kidnap him. But they would change the law to make him subject to testing "within reason." That "reason", of course, would be determined solely by them and he would not be able to do anything about it because, "it's the law."

Stuff in movies may not be "real," per se. But, for people to come up with this sort of stuff in the first place, there has to be an inherent mistrust of government that has its roots in some malfeasance that the government has committed in the past. You don't think governments the world over are hiding things? Covering up their own atrocities? Currently committing even worse acts against people? Then you're just plain naive.
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#161041
Topic
Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161041/action/topic#161041
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
what your saying is a different story, if that were the case then i would be on his side, by saying that he shouldnt even give a blood test is drawing a line too short. the line should be draw at the point where he feels he cannot live a normal life, askin blood will not prevent that. but in all seriousness if this guy had any ounce of love or care for a fellow man then he should give his blood. and if he doesnt care, well like i said society should show him the same love that he shows. that is all. you can draw a line but seriously dont get all dramatic bossk on well if we get blood where does it stop, cause its not one of those situation, he is an anomally and so there is not chance that scientist would dare take it as far as you are saying cause it just doesnt work like that in real world medical research. maybe in movies and what not but you dont get that in real life.

but as ric was saying HIV tests are not 100% accurate they can say your positive if your not or that your not positive if you are. he probably still has it.

but yeah like is said if this guys doesnt even show enough care that he would give a little bit of blood to better mankind or in attempt to better mankind well to hell him with him.

some one should go take this guy on a feild trip though a ward full of people dieing because of aids. show him people that are getting there brains eaten while they are still alive by bacteria that the body cant fight off(i believe this is call toxoplasmoisis, and almost everyone who has ever touched a cat has it but our immune system beats the shit outta it so its dormant in our bodies), should him images of people dieign cause they pricked there finger on a rusty peice of metal and cant fight off the infection cause they have AIDs show him the suffering that he is alowing to infringe, cause if he hold the cure to aids in his veins then all those deaths should be on his mind, he should haev to carry the deaths of the millions of people on his shoulders cause he will be responsible for them.


But it's exactly the case. By forcing him to give a blood sample, you're invading his body against his will. A scientist may not cross the line, but I do not trust our government or any government for that matter to not cross the line in the name of finding a cure that will keep them from having to spend tax dollars on research into a disease that they may suddenly find a cure for. Can you honestly look at our government and say, "yeah, they'll be ethical about it"? I can't.
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#160847
Topic
Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160847/action/topic#160847
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
its not like they are asking for his life or to comite him to a life being poked and pronged they are asking for some blood to see if they can end the suffering of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.


But that's just the problem. What if they cannot find the cure just by testing his blood? What's next? Poking and prodding to the point where the guy can no longer live his normal life and he effectively becomes a lab rat? That's no way to live. If his rights are violated to the point where they tell him he "must" donate blood, the trend will never stop. We will lose progressively greater amounts of rights until we are all living in a prison state with tags on our ears IDing us. I know this may be a melodramatic overinterpretation, but you can't possibly say there is no chance it could happen. Just because the guy is a fluke doesn't mean he should cede his right to life.

In all honesty, I think it's a sham and he's not really cured but is trying to cash in on media exposure.
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#160796
Topic
NFL
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160796/action/topic#160796
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Originally posted by: zion
Yep, that defense is scary. Hard to believe they're doing so well with a below-average offense, but hey, the 2001 Ravens were the same way.


To be honest, I don't even think our defense was that great yesterday. Sure, we stopped most scoring drives ultimately but not after giving up way too many yards and making all of us sweat bullets in the process. But Favre's passing after the roughing call was spot on. We should have been able to shut him down, but we didn't. And that play from Green when he nailed the Packers' receiver was inexcusable. But those plays from Vasher and Tillman nearly made up for the mistakes.
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#160795
Topic
Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160795/action/topic#160795
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It's his body... his decision. Plain and simple.

"Needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few"???? Where do you draw the line on that one? If you give science the authority to overthrow his decision, then what's to stop them or anyone else in the future from saying that your death would benefit humanity as a whole? Fuck that. It's my body.

Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is being selfish, no question. That or he's hiding something (the fact that his "miraculous" cure is a sham?). If all I had to do was give blood or plasma, hell yes, sign me up. Let me be the start of the cure of one of mankind's worst current medical scourges.
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#159745
Topic
LOST
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159745/action/topic#159745
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I didn't record last night's episode. Forgot to put the correct channel on the VCR for recording. Damn. Will it be on again before next week's episode? Do they replay on the weekend or anything?

Check that, I'll just buy it off iTMS and watch on my new iMac. Woo hoo!!!