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Captain Antilles said:

The Terminator said:

This looks fantastic, how soon can we expect it? Sorry, but I don't have time to read thoroughly.

 I don't have time to answer throughly.

(But SERIOUSLY, guy? You didn't even HAVE to read thoroughly--just read the title of the thread! Come on!)

 To coin a phrase, "...No Shit!"

.Mac. said:

I remember seeing that clip of Han and Lea talking where Ady was experimenting and added "breaths". I thought it looked pretty good, almost perfect.

No doubt it would require a whole lot of work adding this subtle detail to almost all of the Hoth scenes (much more than if he decides to add some extra bug-life on Dagobah, in only a few outdoor scenes), but if it could be done convincingly (key word), it would certainly go a long way in adding realism to these locations (making them less like sets). It is up to Ady if it's worth it :)

It would be neat if done correctly, but it would be a lot of work. While I agree with most of Ady's changes in making the films seem more realistic (and I'm in favor of some bug-life on Dagobah), this may be one of those things that could end up being more time consuming than it's worth. I never watched Empire and thought, "Han and Leia don't look very cold in that hallway."

But I did think Carrie Fisher looked rather hot.

Bingowings said:

Niflamol said:

Anyone seen these?

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAbTQoF0s_Q

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJLpxqJNps

I believe they prove why adywan's care is so important and why the way he fixes things, doesn't destroy the bridges of the thematic narration with the story narration.

Thanks for those links.

Nicely observed. Maybe some more metaphors of that nature could be added to ROTJ and the PT duels.

The lack of dialogue from Maul in TPM backfired on this audience member.

Story, story, story. That's what makes ESB so great. I'll never claim to be a master storyteller, but I think most people can register even on a subconscious level when a film's story just doesn't make sense. ESB is darn near perfect in its exposition and flow. @Niflamol - thanks for sharing.

@Bingo - I think Maul's lack of dialogue was based on the fact that Lucas didn't really know what story he was trying to tell. As Red Letter Media points out in his review, "it's like an 8-year old wrote it." Lucas probably just thought, "We need a cool-looking villain. Let's give this guy the same number of lines as Boba Fett had in Empire. That mystique should guarantee that fans will love him and I can sell more action figures."

I often have found myself asking, "Empire is so good. How is it possible the PT turned out so bad?!" Either Collative Learning is right in that Kirshner is a genius, assisted by a team with impeccable attention to detail (i.e. the details of the hand-chopping scene in Pt 2 of his review above), or it was just dumb luck how all the elements came together the way they did. Either way, I enjoy reading Ady's explanations on his decisions and the team's efforts to preserve the integrity of the narrative. Keep up the fine work on making this great film even better!

Stellar work on the canyon. This project is your labor of love - take as much time as you need to make it something you can be happy with. The end result will be spectacular. Happy holidays and family first. :)

ray_afraid said:

Total BS. If Ady had said from the get-go that he planned to do many of the things Ronster has now proposed, most of you would call the decisions "brilliant".

Agreed. Nobody called it nitpicking when Ady made the dead stormtrooper's head fall faster in the opening battle sequence of ANH:R. Just because Ronster focuses more on audio than video does not mean he shouldn't share the discrepancies he finds. As with anything else on this forum, they are suggestions that Ady can choose to make, totally ignore, or provide justification as to why he will be leaving things as they are (all of which we have seen him do given the myriad of ideas that are voiced). Everyone here is a huge fan of this film. Since ESB:R (and other projects) aim to correct the inconsistencies, I'm all for people approaching this with a "no stone left unturned" attitude.

sonofjones said:

It seems the "ompf" and the "ahh" noises should've been switched.

Sorry - was reading too deeply into that one. There is no evidence that it IS a technical error. sonofjones' post just made me think about how it would sound if they were switched, which prompted me to go back and view the scene again.

I re-watched the lightsaber duel because I was intrigued by the suggestion that Vader's vocal reactions were a technical error - that the "aagh" was originally meant for the steam and the "oomph" was meant for the fall, but they were accidentally switched in editing. The "oomph" sounds fine to me and I don't think it needs to be changed. Even if he tried to scream in pain or surprise, it would be muffled because of all the steam blowing into his face.

IMHO, the "aagh" during his fall off the platform just sounds like bad acting. This is probably why the Blu-Ray, Dark Jedi's V3, and Ady's Theatrical Reconstruction all use the same SFX for both the steam and the fall. They only sound different because the steam hose noise muffles the high frequencies in the first instance. I haven't fired up my "Faces" VHS tapes, but I'm guessing this is probably where the "aagh" was first replaced.

Since I'm already throwing gasoline on this fire, I'm also going to suggest that it's not necessary to remove the sight of Luke's head after he leaves the platform off of which Vader "falls". He jumps down to a lower level then stands up. Some have said before that he "bounces" because there is a trampoline there, but after watching multiple versions of the film, he clearly just stands after jumping down to a level about 5 feet below the platform.

Piranhas, attack!

Ronster said:

I had an idea today about re-authoring the DVD chapter titles and where possible use official canon titles that read better and are more inspiring.

5 Escape From The Wampa >>> The Wampa's Lair
8 Search Party >>> Snowspeeders Take Flight
12 Preparing For Battle >>> The Coming Storm
13 First Transport Away >>> The Ion Cannon
14 Battle In The Snow >>> Fire and Ice
17 Escape Aboard The Falcon >>> Escape From Echo Base
23 "Found Someone, You Have" >>> Luke's Nocturnal Visitor
24 Interrupted Kiss >>> Han Solo and the Princess
27 "This Is No Cave" >>> The Mynock Cave
28 Jedi Training >>> The Training of a Jedi Knight
29 Failure At The Cave >>> An Evil Place
31 There Is No Try >>> Yoda and the force
35 Meeting Lando >>> Lando's Palace
38 Imperial Surprise >>> Betrayal at Bespin
39 The Deal Gets Worse >>> Deal with the Dark Lord
41 Luke Enters The Trap >>> The Trap
42 Confronting The Dark Lord >>> Confronting The Dark Lord / Vader
43 Lando's Second Surprise >>> Lando's Dilemma
44 Lightsaber Duel >>> The Clash of the Lightsabres

The original is on the left an edited version on the right.

Good suggestions, Ronster. I think many of your changes are more appropriate than the originals. "Clash of the Lightsabres" is a little over-the-top, but I think the rest work well.

Canyon walls look great! I am amazed at the amount of work and attention to detail that are continuously invested into this project!

@ Mara Jade's Father:

Now that you bring it up, the scratches on the helmet emblems are all across the board. I would guess that they had 20 or more props of beat-up helmets made, and Mark was handed one for each scene. However, it appears that they didn't keep track of which one he was using or didn't have the same one at each shooting location. I'm not sure of an easy fix, but if someone wanted to make it more consistent, an option would be to color all of them in red. It's not as moving as seeing one that's been beaten up over the course of Luke's many battles against the Empire, but it helps solve the issue you addressed. Other thoughts (beyond that we all now try to ignore it when we watch the film)?

I'm going to throw in my two cents and say that omitting the shuttle footage is the right decision. The first time the Falcon leaves, our heroes have a clean getaway. Even watching this movie when I was 7 years old, I always thought of Lando's "What about those fighters?" line not to mean that they are currently being chased, but that he knows there must be (or has even seen) TIEs patrolling the city, and if they go back they might get caught.

Vader's "Bring my shuttle" line is meant to say "They think they got away. I'm going to mosey on back to the Executor and catch them since they can't jump to lightspeed." He does not know they are going to double-back, and it works better for him not to see it. He's not in hot pursuit to try to cut them off at the pass. As far as he's concerned, he has plenty of time since they disabled the hyperdrive.

I never felt the need to see his shuttle to know how he got back to the Executor, and the shot interrupts the score and the flow of the scene, which is meant to be focused on our heroes. Darth Vader is bad-ass, we all know it. But I don't think that the flow of the story should be jarred by expositional shots that are nice to see, but ultimately unnecessary. Besides, it's nice to let your own imagination fill in the gaps, something that GL apparently doesn't like us to do.

Bingowings said:

...and most of the prequels and all of the ST will be lost forever.

So that at least gives us SOME hope for the PT: "Erased... from existence!"

brimforge said:

That's "LOOM" - came out in the 90ties ;-)

you can still play it on Steam ...
http://store.steampowered.com/app/32340/?l=english

Are the 90ties in any way connected to 50shades?

I agree with oh_riginal. Though Star Wars is an action/sci-fi epic, you have to have a few scenes that focus solely on the emotional state of the characters. I think what makes the scene so moving (for me, at least) is that Luke has hit rock bottom - no weapons, one hand missing, can't climb, etc. The tension is in whether he has the strength to hold on long enough until Leia comes back for him - the pressure is completely on him. To me, this is much more intense and emotionally engaging than "I sure hope one of those TIE fighters doesn't shoot that wire he's hanging on."

Sometimes you have to have less action in order to tell a more powerful story.

@ Kapheen - thank goodness he didn't lose the will to live before Lando showed up. :)

I've never noticed any glaring dialogue problems (or lack of dialogue) in ESB, though it's been a while since I've watched it. I do agree with Ronster's point that the voice that precedes C3P0 getting blasted sounds nothing like a Stormtrooper, but I just assumed they did that so that we would have no idea what person or creature shot him. When Chewie fixes him and he starts babbling about Stormtroopers, we're all like, "Sure would have been nice if you could have shared that yesterday!"

I'm not suggesting that the voice they used was the right way to handle it, but I always just accepted that scenario from a storytelling perspective.

EDIT: Thinking about it some more, you could replace the line "Who are you?" with some kind of short growl (still sounding like it could be human). The ST grunts off-screen, and C3PO's reaction tells the rest. We can say his helmet's off, which is why it wouldn't sound processed through a speaker like we're used to hearing. It's a little detail, but that's one way in which it could be addressed if it really bothers an editor.

I'm a bit late to the game here, but just had a chance to watch your Episode I edit - very nice! I like the way your cuts streamline the story and remove all the kiddie-friendly garbage (Jar-Jar's antics, Anakin's spaceflight, English-speaking podrace announcer, etc.).

An editor has many choices on how they slice-and-dice the story, and I think your decisions were well done. I'm looking forward to watching Ep's II and III.

I agree with Bingowings. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see a 2D monitor for communication inside the AT-AT. It's kind of like the lightsaber - it's a cool device, but gets old if seen too often (ahem - PT!). Not every communication in SW has to be via hologram. Besides, if it helps the continuity (where is each character looking during hologram conversations), isn't that what most of the Revisited project is about anyway?

Ryan McAvoy said:

EyeShotFirst said:

Composting real models into a film digitally gives much more amazing results than the composting of 30 years ago. I like how Ady is giving us a good mix of CGI, models, and what was there already. You still feel like you're watching Star Wars, it's just more refreshing.

I never knocked the Special Editions for making changes, it's the fact that they slapped in crap, and ignore some of the more important things that needed fixing. Ady is doing these things, and he isn't sticking in shit, just because he can.The films are maintaining their integrity.

 

Would be kinda fun to do a "Special Edition" ROTS fanedit just for Lucas and mail it to him.

You could add in Ewoks line dancing across the screen when Anakin is pledging himself to Palpatine,

or,

add in General Grievous firing first at Obi-Wan.

or,

add Jar-Jar into the back of Padme's death scene going "Youssa gonna die?"

Maybe then he'd get why we all have a problem with this kind of vandalism of the OT.

Sadly, George would probably say, "Why didn't I think of that?" Then he'll spend the next 3 years creating the PT Special Edition - his original vision now updated to his original vision.

Darth Stewie - it's funny, I was thinking the same thing earlier today, after I read (unless I misunderstood) that Ady shot new footage for the two rebel soldiers on the ground by the ion cannon on Hoth. Like anything else, it begs the question, "If he can do that, how much more could be done?" I won't claim to have a professional level of expertise in production and editing, but I would love to be part of the collaborative process to script a prequel that actually MADE SENSE with the OT. And I love the idea of producing it in a style that fits with the other films. For example, when I was little and heard Ben Kenobi refer to the "clone wars" in ANH, I had a COMPLETELY different idea of what that was all about (I know, me and everyone else).

Yes, I'm sure there would be all sorts of legal hoops to deal with and Lucas himself would probably put the kibosh on anyone trying to offer society a way to replace their memories of his "original" (a.k.a. family friendly, money raking) vision, but what if....? If this goes anywhere, count me in!

I'm sure Ady's getting close to wrapping this thing up, and this issue may have already been brought up and I missed it in the 1,000+ pages, but...

To me one of the biggest annoyances in ESB has always been the sound effects of the lightsabers at about 1:48:30 (the exchange after Luke walks back inside from the balcony below the broken window). Vader attempts to take Luke by surprise and delivers about four blows while Luke blocks. But the "motion hums" of the lightsabers are nowhere close to what you see. There are way too many and, in fact, it sounds almost rhythmic, like the SFX guys were playing around trying to make "music" rather than actually follow the scene. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed this?

I know Adywan has already poured a lot of time into this project, but given the magic he's already been able to work, going back and inserting a few different lightsaber sound effects at this point could make that scene seem more natural and enjoyable. Again, my apologies if this has already been brought up.

Like everyone else here, I'm a big fan of the original theatrical editions and have been looking for a good version on DVD to replace my old VHS tapes. I've read many great things about DJ's V3 on many different sites. Any chance someone can give me a Myspleen invite so I can check them out?

I'm on Myspleen now - looking forward to checking these out!