Bingowings

Putting his voice back would be the most fitting memorial.

RicOlie_2 said:

Maybe have that laser bolt that Ren stops in middair fly off without hitting a target? It could reappear in a number of scenes on Jakku–especially if we see that planet again in the next movie.

Maybe Rey could trump that by having the Starkiller blast stop in it’s tracks.

Snoke and mirrors. If he is just Palpatwo I would so miffed.

Only one film and not many action figures.

The guy has more advanced Force powers than any Sith or Jedi seen in the series yet (he can hold a laser bolt in mid air for many minutes), that and he still has the emotional range of a frustrated teen in his thirties makes for a potentially prickly and unpredictable villain.

That’s what I like about Kilgrave in Jessica Jones he has such power he could do anything and instead he just forces people to make him dinner and convince children it’s okay to piss in the closet.

Vader had a vision of a galaxy without the need for conflict. He would destroy all resistance, including his boss. He would rule the galaxy with his son and all the killing and pain would have been worth something.
Kylo is like someone trying not think about porn and failing in repeatedly embarrassing ways.

TROOPER ONE: I’ve got a message for Kylo Ren
TROOPER TWO: Don’t go in there, he has been trying not to think about porn for five hours, the place is going to need detergent and a squad of washbots

Luke has buggered off, The galactic peace he helped to forge is at risk and he is hiding.
Now if its just because his nephew going bad I’d be a bit let down.
If it’s because something he unearthed in his exploration of Jedi history I’d be intrigued.
But it it would be understandable that a plot point left hanging since 1983 might pay off and Leia in her studies and frustrations over bureaucracy and uniting the two halves of the galaxy took inspiration from her dad.
Big Lincoln Memorial Zombie is a better disguise than Palpatine used.
Luke nearly killed Vader just at the mention of Leia going bad, imagine what Luke would feel if he accidentally lured her to the dark side and imagine too how reluctant he would be to train a young woman strong in the Force that’s just tracked him down.
It makes for a more interesting next two films.

PS. I hate typing on smart phones

And that Kylo is only chosing mom over dad.

The reason why I would not have the Capital hit first is it’s A) too bold a move for the First Order still licking it wounds from the end of the Empire B) a Resistance base in First Order territory would arguably be a legitimate target as they are being attacked by them.

After Leia takes command of those loyal to her in the Republic old guard (Ackbar etc) and attacks the weapon having it destroy the capital also makes it seem legitimate self defence on the First Order’s part. Remember evil is rarely self aware. Most evil people think they are doing the right thing.

What we would be left with would be the same but by a more plausible route with Leia having more to do (a bit like Kirk in Search for Spock but on a bigger scale than pinching one ship and it’s bridge crew.

Still think she is Snoke btw which would explain why they have marginalised her role.

Err… only after Fan Editors got to them.

Kenneth Mars in Young Frankenstein would be funnier. You could have the Stormtroopers raise their hands to shout back the responses.

Me neither. It’s not like seeing Van Helsing running the Death Star or Scaroth leading the attack on Hoth.

My only problem with Leia’s scenes is the editing and position of the resistance base in relation to the stakes of the film.

In the original film (that this one is so clearly stealing from) Leia has by necessity led the Empire to the Rebels, who at that point are the only obstacle to Empire having secured dominance over the galaxy. If the Death Star blows that up it’s won.

The set up in these movies is there are two power blocks. The former Empire now First Order and the New Republic. They seem to be in a cold war situation. In this film the place to get that sense of peril would have been on the Republic capital which might as well been Coruscant in the same way that Rey might as well have been raised on Tatooine. So what we should have seen is a Resistance base insurgent within First Order territory be the test target and Leia on the Republic world having already failed to get the bureaucrats to launch a retaliatory strike risk open war with the First Order by taking her followers in the fleet to attack the base.

That way when the capital is destroyed there is a sense of connection to the place. I barely understood what the place was. In my after viewing report I thought it was Coruscant because it looked like the whole planet was one big city but I needed someone there to tell me.

Also done that way a small section of the Republic fleet survived and became the new resistance to the rise of the First Order.

As for Leia’s face. Honestly the level of overlapping sexism and ageism in nerd circles is a bloody disgrace. It makes me feel ashamed to own small plastic dolls in the shape of aliens and robots it really does.

[Padme said:]

I was watching a show called The Evolution of the Lightsaber Duel recently and mark hamill said darth vader was originally supposed to say “obi wan killed your father” but they changed the line to say “I am your father” unbeknownst to hamill. Just thought that was an interesting aside.

From a certain point of view he did. In the sense that he cut off all his limbs, left him near a lake of lava and watched him slowly cook without using the Force (which can lift spaceships and support collapsed ceilings) to take him to a place of safety, where he could attend to his wounds and try to turn him back to the side of goodness and not domestic abuse and child murder. At least Han gave that a go in this one.

TV’s Frink said:

On Golden Pond? I’d rather watch Attack of the Clones again.

String beans to Utah guess 😄

Like Frink’s projects I find actual value from watching the edits. They seem more believable even with the hooters jokes.

imperialscum said:

To me all Han-Leia interactions in the film seemed awkward, wooden and forced.

Yeah I thought so too. Even in ROTJ there was a bit of twinkle. I think part of that is down the way those scenes were paced and scored. Someone should go and watch On Golden Pond and Lion In Winter for editing tips. Even The African Queen. All successfully gritty romances between older actors/characters.

John Doom said:

Hinted? Are you sure? 😄

Some how we always knew this would happen… From a certain point of view.

ROTJ is full of memorable themes. Luke and Leia, Jabba, The Emperor, Battle in the Forest etc.

The PT too. I can honestly say I didn’t leave the cinema with a single theme in my head that wasn’t a memory from the previous movies.

Not seen this before, sorry if it’s been posted elsewhere : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w8Z0UOXVaY

I know you object to the vulgarity of Luke peeing off a cliff but you could subvert it with the classic garden hose gag. It could look like he is peeing but instead he is just watering some flowers or vegetables.

Add staccato movements to the Rathars so they look more like stop motion creatures than CGI.

I saw it in 2D.
I can’t imagine the extra price and uncomfortable squinting would improve the movie much.

RU.08 said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

I agree that Snoke took me right out of the movie. And if you’re suggesting that they would have been better off going down the puppet route, I agree with that too. Yoda was so good they tried to get Frank Oz nominated for an Oscar but the academy wouldn’t have it.

I don’t care how the special effects team does it, they can use CGI or a puppet or a man in a mask or do whatever they want. My point was that you don’t want it to look fake. You don’t want people to roll their eyes and say “lifeless puppet” or “CGI” or “Halloween mask” etc!

I wouldn’t have minded a Revill style animal/mask/gender swap mashup seeing as it’s just a hologram and hopefully not what the real character looks like. Episode VIII has got to have a shock horror reveal if it’s going to slavishly copy the OT to the extent that TFA did.

TV’s Frink said:

The Starkiller did take out the fleet.

Yeah but that was before the attack. What I am proposing is the Resistance launch against the base to prevent it but fail, blowing up the weapon too late as the energy cannot be stopped.

Bosk said:

Bingowings said:

Bosk said:
Prometheus was a good film IMO, I’m looking forward to the next one. But then again I was never bowled over by Alien.

There goes your street cred 😄

I really liked the atmosphere of the film, it’s a thinkers’ film.

It made me think that all the characters in the film where intensely stupid, including the aliens but that’s for another thread.