Bingowings

I was thinking about The Omen remake yesterday (long story) and I thought it would have been a worthy undertaking if they dropped the whole Damien actually being the Antichrist from the story. So instead there was just this little innocent kid that one bunch of religious nutjobs think is the antichrist and want to worship and another think he is the antichrist and want to destroy him, with an increasingly paranoid adoptive father stuck in the middle of this (the evil being the people around the child not the child himself). All the deaths could be accidents or deliberate murders.

He could then grow up to become the thing everyone said he is because everyone said he was the thing he would one day grow up to be.

This could could be extended into the Star Wars prequels, you have one bunch of force wielding warriors who support the Republic despite it faults and another who think the Republic is beyond saving and want a start from scratch despite the chaos it would cause. To each other the other side would be seen as evil. The evil would come from what they do to maintain their point of view rather than there actually being one group who are evil and another who are good.

You get hints of this in the PT as we saw it but it's never really followed up (it more of a ploy used by the already evil Palpatine to get the already twisted Anakin to drop the pretense and put on the black hat).

Mark comunicated his miffedness about this on the Kevin Smith Dinner For Five, Starts here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NxmReMFVd0

Is this the right time to remind people that this the ESB:R thread and that ROTJ and PT threads are already around?

Feel free to pelt me with eggs and fruit (I can always make a trifle).

Davnes007 said:

EyeShotFirst said:

The-Lion said:

... the line in ANH won't have to be changed. There's only one problem, Obi-Wan says that his student Darth Vader killed Anakin, but it's seems that Obi-Wan killed Anakin if you let him burn in Ep III.

Obi wan is lying to Luke anyway

...From a certain point of view.

That would be the truthful point of view ;-)

If Ben wasn't already dead I'm would have been surprised if Luke had gone ape and killed him on the spot (he could have got Father Merrin in to get rid of the fibbing spook) he had more reason to do it than his father did.

It would have been a nice twist in ROTJ if Luke refused to turn to the Dark Side or pass on his Jedi teaching and got rid of both sets of crazy wizards in one swoop.

theslime said:

Good clip!

Based on this, I got another radical idea. Would it work, story-wise, to have the short Vader scene - getting the headgear on, with the Emperor standing by - as the very first scene of ROTS? As a way of building mystery - "who's this guy? Looks evil" - and introducing him early on as a central character. Then when Anakin fails, this other guy finishes the job. There should be at least one instance where Palps refers to his new apprentice Vader by name, so we could put that line earlier in the film. That way we just assume Sidious got a new apprentice after Maul (Dooku was never his apprentice, as far as I'm concerned), since we're not supposed to know he and Palps are the same man yet anyway. And when it's revealed, we could just assume he has two apprentices. (Oh, and btw, screw the "rule of two". At best it's just a Sith survival mechanism, but once they're out in the open (after Maul), it wouldn't make sense to keep it.)

It's blatant trickery, of course, to admit it was really a flash-forward two films later. Of the very worst kind. Still, it's fun as an idea, at least.

EDIT: Thinking about it, using the Vader name earlier in the film to imply there are two, is way over-the-top. I got a little carried away. :)

I love this thread!

I suggested the idea of moving reference to Vader before Anakin starts killing people quite a few pages back so if you are getting carried away so was I back then (this is the place to get a bit carried away in, that's the fun of this thread).

I still think there is potential in the idea (Sidious gives Vader his Sith name and is pretty sure of himself so why not have him assume there will be a Vader to send to the part before he has actually fully fallen?)

If you got rid of the OTT death of General Grievous and had him fall to his death and scooped up by the troopers it could add to the ambiguity of who Vader is (It could be Grievous working under his new Sith moniker).

You could even redub Grievous so he claims to have been a former pupil of Obi-Wan (after training Anakin he might have had another Padwan).

Presumably the machinery used to build the first one still existed after it's destruction (it wasn't built in the Yavin system after all) but the time scale is still an issue.

Other than that nothing could have survived that explosion to be salvaged, the thing was blown to glitter.

Fully colour altered and sharpened versions of these films (in this style) would be a valuable resource (especially if taken from the HD versions kicking around).

While it would make sense to start a new thread for such an undertaking I hope you do keep posting here ideas of a more radical nature.

Simply providing such a resource will however aid other people in doing more root and branch shake ups of these films.

I'm moving my response to this chain of discussion here for obvious reasons.

doubleofive said:

mrbenja0618 said:

EyeShotFirst said:

I hope ady showcases the space battle and the death star battle for our main attention. All I need to see is the rebels on Endor turning off the shield generator. Then back to the important dark duel. Coz the Endor Forrest battle is a mood killer.

It really does kill the mood.... But the space battle in ROTJ is still IMHO the greatest of all the films. I'm still amazed at how well the ships maneuvered with them being models on wires. Great work.

Seriously I agree.  I mean, each ship is a separately shot element composited who knows how much time later.  It's impressive.  And to only have a couple mislayered/disappearing elements is extremely impressive.

All three layers of the battle need to be expanded in my view.

How does a small group of Rebels defeat an entire legion of the Empire's best troops to bring down the reactor to allow the Rebel fleet to survive being attacked by a large Imperial fleet and a full armed and operational Death Star?

The ground battle is only a mood breaker because it currently makes little sense and has no real visual and emotional impact.

All thos improvised traps show pre-planning how can they plan unless they know that the troops are coming or unless the Ewoks have already been fighting the Imperials?

You can't diminish that aspect of the story without diminishing the whole finale of the saga.

The duel needs the least work on it (beyond the obvious technical clean up, sabre corrections and the like) but both the land and space battle are vital to the resolution of the story.

I like a space battle as much as the next guy but as Lucas once said and never followed through with "story does matter" and there is more to the story than just a big space battle and a sabre duel.

The Ewok side of things carries the key to downfall of the Empire (the Emperor and the Empire see things in such broad sweeps they forget about the power of the little people be they Rebels, Droids or Ewoks).

The scale of some of the original shots was amazing at the time but it is astonishing how fluffed up more simple shots are even after the so called element by element restoration we were told happened back in 1997.

Dooku looks good in black.

Though I've said it before colour alteration (and sharpness) is only really applicable to this thread when it changes the story elements in a radical way.

Great as these are Cade they don't really alter the mood of the films or the story (though they often improve the look of the shots).

Angel has posted changes that change the nature of the locations and the mood of the shots, I'd love to see you have a go at some of that sort of thing.

It might be fun to have the Executor hidden in a huge cloud bank and suddenly break through the clouds as the Falcon escapes, like the Ajax (or was it the Warlock?) in Flash Gordon only not crap.

Before the PT I wouldn't have thought a ship that size would be capable of atmospheric flight but now I guess it could.

It would have a lot more impact than Leia pointing at a dart in the distance but it would have to be one hell of a big cloud to hide something that big.

The Golden Idol said:

Cade Skywalker said:

Rhikter said:

Cade Skywalker said:

50MB split screen

I would have uploaded this to YouTube but this time I also applied a sharpening filter (with moderate settings, I hope), since it was bugging me to see that the whole movie was just blurry for no reason. It's a 2500kbps MP4, that way you'll be able to notice the sharpening and the details.

Is this the same split screen you posted earlier?  I have satellite internet with a low download speed and a bandwidth cap, so I'd rather not download this if I don't have to.  I hate to ignore someone's hard work, but do you think I'd be alright without seeing it?

Some screenies for you (and whoever doesn't want to download a 50MB video)

Guess I'll have to open a thread soon.

 

 Great work, but that video reminds me just how horrendous the acting is in AOTC, especially by Natalie Portman.

Going by almost all accounts of George's directing style every Star Wars actor can make a Nuremberg Defense.

I mentioned this in my first post on the ROTJ Wishlist Thread.

George made three films where two droids were meant to be characters we cared about and two where the torture of humans was suitably horrific (within the set audience parameters naturally) and in ROTJ he dropped in a comedy droid torture scene.

This carried over to the PT where the battledroids do little comedy skits in between killing people and where R2 laughs his socks of in ROTS at the prospect of his pal Threepio getting a forced lobotomy.

C3PX said:

Having purchased the regular DVD version, I have no disc five. Still really irritates me. For us old fashioned DVD guys, we only get five discs if we decided to dish out $80 + dollars for the brief case version. Yet BD and HD guys get all five discs in the basic version.

I have the HDDVD of the 5-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition on my shelf. There's a commentary by the person who wrote that Blade Runner book I also have

 

Whoa! The work print has a commentary by Philip K. Dick? I had no idea! That is freakin awesome! No I wish even more that they hadn't decided to short non HD adopters by excluding the workprint.

It's a bit difficult to believe seeing as he died before the film was finished wasn't it Paul Sammon's audio interviews strung together?

I don't know where you saw Star Wars but all the films were shown in Odeon Cinemas when I was wee and it was Rank Advertising for that chain (and Pearl and Dean for ABC Cinemas) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ8fkJOQlBM

Hannibal: Desserts Served With Your Main Course, I would dearly love to get my hands on this not only just to watch (it's always a joy to watch an ADM project) but also with attempting a stab at trying to get a version even closer to the novel by mixing in parts from Hannibal Rising as flashbacks.

I'm a bit green when it comes to Rapidshare and the only time I ever saw this project up as a Trnt it was unseeded.

Will NuV detractors refer to the series as VINO (hic)?

The original was fun back then just as original Galactica was I'm not leaping to the conclusion that this will be a masterpiece but there is plenty of room to run with the idea from a fresh perspective.

EyeShotFirst said:

I don't think anybody in Hollywood has an original thought. I looked at a list of upcoming films and 95% are remakes.

Conan- why would someone go and remake a movie that sucked already?

In the case of Conan the Milius film was a cinematic interpretation of a character that first existed in a series of books so making a new one is no more a problem than making a new Tarzan film or another Sherlock Holmes film.

There is certainly a fan base to exploit and a large body of material to pull from so it makes sense to try.

BarBar Jinkx said:

It make me laugh

 

all the work ady & others have done to correct the colours on the SE & then a mockup like that is posted LOL

There is a difference between adding an element (like a sun through a window or in a shot) and just adding a uniform tint over the whole film which washes out all the colours.

One changes the mood and ambience of a particular scene while the other defuses the information in the entire film.

Ben, Angel and all the other people experimenting in this field are doing just that experimenting and posting the results (which aren't always perfect but illustrate a possibility).

The SE and PT DVDs  were final products from a Hollywood studio, not design concepts.

The star mockup looks very interesting ben, perhaps you could maintain more colour by trying other star types (red giant, blue giant, red dwarf, etc).

The Endor system could be a solar system towards the end of it's life so the heat an expanding star could have reached the rocky moons of the outer gas giants (like Europa or Titan warming up if our sun expanded beyond the range of Earth's orbit).

The Resident Evil remake managed to get the familiar/new balance just right for me.

I would have loved to have compared Twin Snakes with the original MGS but it's almost impossible to get second hand now without paying through the nose (it's one of those rare Gamecube games which is possibly more expensive now, well at least here, than it was when it first came out).

I'm all for superior versions of stories that have already been filmed, people forget that some big name films started out as novels (The Exorcist, Jaws, Hellraiser, etc) so doing another film isn't strictly speaking a remake, just another version of a story already from another medium.

And sometimes remakes or reboots really do work (Bond, Batman, Battlestar Galactica have all been transformed into exciting new incarnations of their former selves).

One film I am dreading however is a remake, how anyone thought that remaking Edge Of Darkness in contemporary USA with Mel Gibson in Bob Peck's role was a good idea is beyond me but to have the original director and producer do it, let's just say if the Devil is real he may be a little less rich now but his collection of souls has grown a tad.

Sevb32 said:

Now this thread really is dead!

It's not dead, it's just pining for the fjords.

Looks like we can both breath a sigh of relief.

The Pinhead design isn't real- it was fan-made by Gary Tunnicliffe who has done the make-up effects for the later Hellraiser sequels.

It's his version of how he would like Pinhead to be if he was able to design him for the remake.

It has nothing to do whatsoever regarding the real remake.

So fingers are still crossed.

As I said it's understandable but when you have something like the Death Star already in the mix it would be impossible to uninvent the thing, it's like the nuclear bomb.

Difficult to build the first two, prohibitively expensive for anyone but a superpower to build the first 200 but if unchecked eventually anyone could either make one or buy one.

Having the New Republic build them to defend themselves against other people who might have them would create an interesting moral dilemma.

The same with clone and droid armies.

It was a shame that the aftermath of opening that sort of Pandora's box didn't get a proper airing.

One of the things that put me off the EU was avoiding the elephant in the room by trying to replace the Death Star with things like the Galaxy Gun when there already was a powerful metaphor there to be exploited.

I really can't see why George thinks the story has ended now, surely there is at least three films to be made about the perils of re-building the Rebublic and not becoming the Empire in the process?

Personally I would have reversed the order so the ANH one was based on the ROTS poster and the ROTJ poster was based on the TPM one and had them mirrored so when you placed all six posters together they had symmetrical balance.

As a starting point the montages are nice to look at but the images should be physically painted rather than photoshopped to really feel like the posters they are trying to evoke.