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#917557
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Flaws, plotholes, and "could-have-been-done-betters" in the OT (alternate plot points especially welcome)
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In Blade Runner it’s deliberately ambiguous if there is something of a rape nature going on. Rachel is saying no based on experiences that aren’t hers, her facility to say no under those circumstances is the point of the scene. So is he abusing her or liberating her and yes we are meant to feel uncomfortable contemplating either possibility. It’s nuanced and adult and trillion light years away from Prometheus.
Indy’s under-aged sex subplot thankfully is largely removed from the final film.
That leaves the typical “I’m not interested in you” (lie) love story trope in ESB. It might be a bit wobbly but compared to creepy sex looks Anakin or anything to do with sand it’s William Shakespeare innit?

Thank heavens for Witness.

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#915752
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Link: "New Darth Maul Fan Film Shows the Sith We All Deserve"
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Most fan-editors seem to think the final saber duel is the only bit of TPM worth keeping.

This replicates it to some extent.

It might be possible to re-purpose some of it for alternate shots but it would only be tinkering with the only bit of that film some people like.

Personally I don’t rate the fight in TPM because everyone is silent, other than (and Frink has already improved this) Obi-Wan screaming, “noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo”

What I like about the OT duels is the real fight is taking place inside the minds of the characters. The real swipes and jabs are the dialogue. In TPM (like all the dueling in the PT) it’s just experimental dance. They might as well all wear unitards.

I imagine this film was made by people with PT nostalgia (young people seem to be getting older every day, it’s very odd). In terms of what’s happening it doesn’t make sense.
Maul surprises the council when Qui-Gon informs them about him, they assume the Sith to be extinct and have no known reported missing Jedi or reported saber slain Jedi.

By the time they do know about him he is killed before he can kill another Jedi after Qui-Gon. (Oh yeah that he survived as a crotchless spider is now canonised “sigh”).

Any way the fan film would have worked better if we saw Maul fight non-Jedi, Like here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9UEV-b2Ws4 (only less silly). A fan film where he helps put down resistance on Naboo would be fun to watch and useful for fan-editors.

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#914848
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Info & Feedback Wanted: Great or Horrible Lines? - ROTJ
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The Sith use the same terminology as the Jedi but that doesn’t follow that they believe themselves to be evil.
Batman doesn’t think he is a villain when he doesn’t dismiss the term “Dark Knight”.
There may be honour in controlling and using the not immediately seen, the hidden, the nocturnal side of the Force.
When Luke says “There is good in you, I have felt it”, Vader could easily retort, “Yes I am Good, I am serving the people by giving them stability and order, there is good in you too, join me”.
He as good as offers this to Luke in ESB.

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#914779
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Info & Feedback Wanted: Great or Horrible Lines? - ROTJ
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In those scenes Luke is telling Vader that he believes there is good (the light side from a Jedi perspective) in him still.
Vader says that Obi-Wan (the friend and mentor he murdered in the first film) once felt the same.
He isn’t acknowledging at this point any sign that what he has been doing is wrong or evil but necessary because his master is too strong to dethrone without help and the galaxy needs strong leadership.
To some extent they share the same ambition (getting rid of the Emperor) but their intended next moves are different.
Vader wants to become the Emperor for the sake of the galaxy and would probably be a more stoic and militant leader than the jolly old prune faced master strategist currently running the show. Luke wants to save his father and hand the rule of the galaxy back to the chaos of democracy, because stable government just isn’t fair, and he want’s to hang out with his friends.
My only suggested changes would be (if possible) change the line on the landing platform on Endor so Vader says : “Your mother once thought as you do” as it makes more contextual sense and evokes the memory of a female character in an almost men only trilogy.
It still works as she was someone like Luke, Vader cared about and lost as a necessary evil for the ‘good’ of the Empire.
It might not be possible but adding some line along the lines of : “What I am is for the good of the galaxy” But then leave Vader ruminating on what he might have to do and if he really believes his own words. It might strengthen what’s already there.
As they currently stand I don’t have a problem with those lines. There are lots wrong with ROTJ but those lines isn’t one of those.