Bingowings

Handman said:

Bingowings said:

Handman said:

Bingowings said:

Handman said:

My biggest complaint about Capaldi’s shows, is that even when there is one or two good stories, there are always three or four completely incoherent messes to bury them. I’m with Tobar. Can’t wait for Moffat to leave.

The character has been around since 1963 in television, audio, cinema, comic book and novel form and in every iteration over those many decades when it is bad it’s dull. When it’s good it’s astounding. It’s nothing to do with any particular show runner, though a fresh injection of creativity tends to spark the greater stories. For every Robots of Death there is a Horns of Nimon. For every Midnight there is a Fear Her. For every Heaven Sent there is a Sleep No More. Roll with it.

Of course it has something to do with the show runner, they set the tone for the show. Moffat is pretty much the new show’s JNT, he should have left years ago. For every Heaven Sent there is a Hell Bent. There are good ideas in the shows now, but too often they’re muddled with a bunch of other messes that the overall effectiveness is diminished. I think Capaldi is a great Doctor, but I can count the number of his stories I’d want to rewatch on one hand.

1. Mummy on the Orient Express
2. Flatline
3. The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion
4. Heaven Sent

I still have yet to complete Series 10, so I’m withholding any episodes there. However, from what I can tell, they’re getting away from nonsense stories and have more coherent plots. I think we’ve had some of the best episodes of the new series with Capaldi, but also some of the absolute worst. That’s not saying RTD was a genius, either, but the show is definitely in a rough spot creatively, and it shows in the ratings, the year hiatus, the soon-to-be cancellation of Class, and other such things.

The same is true of every age of Doctor Who.
I love “The Empty Child” “Dalek” and “The Unquiet Dead” but most of the Ninth Doctor is forgettable.
But Eccles had one year.

Exactly, three great re-watchable episodes in one year for the new show is quite something. I think Eccleston’s year is pretty underrated, farting aliens notwithstanding.

Tennant has “The Girl in the Fireplace” “Human Nature”, “Blink”, “Midnight”, "Turn Left"
and so much awful crap that I only watch out of devotion to the show.

While it’s true Tennant had some awful stuff (Rose romance, “I don’t wanna go” especially), I don’t recall the worst stuff being as bad as, say, “Kill the Moon”, “Robot of Sherwood”, or that viking episode that had an evil lion show up in the last 20 minutes and derail a character study. Clara was especially mishandled, she was given a few good farewells but kept coming back only to leave with a whimper.

The same is true of Tom Baker. I love watching all the actors who play the character but is “The Nightmare of Eden” essential viewing?

That era is not exactly my favorite from the classic show either, but that was a producer combating tons of other issues rather than a showrunner hanging on past his prime.

Kill the moon is a good story. Knocks spots off crap like Fear Her it’s on par with 42.

Handman said:

Bingowings said:

Handman said:

My biggest complaint about Capaldi’s shows, is that even when there is one or two good stories, there are always three or four completely incoherent messes to bury them. I’m with Tobar. Can’t wait for Moffat to leave.

The character has been around since 1963 in television, audio, cinema, comic book and novel form and in every iteration over those many decades when it is bad it’s dull. When it’s good it’s astounding. It’s nothing to do with any particular show runner, though a fresh injection of creativity tends to spark the greater stories. For every Robots of Death there is a Horns of Nimon. For every Midnight there is a Fear Her. For every Heaven Sent there is a Sleep No More. Roll with it.

Of course it has something to do with the show runner, they set the tone for the show. Moffat is pretty much the new show’s JNT, he should have left years ago. For every Heaven Sent there is a Hell Bent. There are good ideas in the shows now, but too often they’re muddled with a bunch of other messes that the overall effectiveness is diminished. I think Capaldi is a great Doctor, but I can count the number of his stories I’d want to rewatch on one hand.

1. Mummy on the Orient Express
2. Flatline
3. The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion
4. Heaven Sent

I still have yet to complete Series 10, so I’m withholding any episodes there. However, from what I can tell, they’re getting away from nonsense stories and have more coherent plots. I think we’ve had some of the best episodes of the new series with Capaldi, but also some of the absolute worst. That’s not saying RTD was a genius, either, but the show is definitely in a rough spot creatively, and it shows in the ratings, the year hiatus, the soon-to-be cancellation of Class, and other such things.

The same is true of every age of Doctor Who.
I love “The Empty Child” “Dalek” and “The Unquiet Dead” but most of the Ninth Doctor is forgettable.
But Eccles had one year.
Tennant has “The Girl in the Fireplace” “Human Nature”, “Blink”, “Midnight”, "Turn Left"
and so much awful crap that I only watch out of devotion to the show.
The same is true of Tom Baker. I love watching all the actors who play the character but is “The Nightmare of Eden” essential viewing?

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

I saw a little bit of an episode this season. I can see the series is not for me anymore. The Master switching to a good guy/gal? It is ok that he/she murdered people because people eat meat??? Sorry no thanks.

I’m a vegetarian so it’s preaching to the converted in my case.
But it’s really a metaphor for ethical perspective and innate nature. As moral beings we see killing our own kind, most of the time, as an act of evil but as products of nature making that connection to what we may deem as lesser creatures isn’t as obvious. There is a similar problem for some when they respond to the eating of pigs and dogs or killing of creatures considered pests when a more humane option is available. The Master is an alien. He/she sees us as barely alive shapes that can be popped for amusement but her friend from the same species sees us as kindred. The Mistress seems to having an epithany (though she could be lying). She seems to be seeing us as more than finger paint. As a Christian Warb you believe in redemption for all, even Satan could be redeemed if he genuinely acted on regret and confession. Missy has been Conditioned to be Satanic. She claims to be breaking that conditioning… Very reluctantly at the moment and possibly as a deception. The Doctor wants redemption for all. He has done terrible things and feels if he can save these arch characters he can save himself. It’s a surprisingly Christian theme. I’m confused why you wouldn’t embrace it.

I figured you’d respond with something like this.

1. I will never ever equate the killing of humans(sentient, a life that knows and knows that it knows) to the killing of an animal(non-sentient). I know we will never agree on this, so that is that.

2. Yes I understand that Missy/Master doesn’t equate the life of a human with that of a Timelord. But still he/she is smart enough to be able to see that humans are sentient. Also has the Master/Missy ever had a problem with taking the life a Timelord when it suits his/her purposes?

3. when/how was Missy/Master “conditioned” to be satanic?

4. I could be wrong about this, but I am pretty sure that Satan is beyond redemption by now.

5. You might as well try to redeem the Daleks.

6. There is a difference between how I view things in real life as compared to a fictional tv show. The fictional Master/Missy is beyond redemption, imo. Real life villain aren’t like character of the Master/Missy.

7. You say the Doctor did terrible things. What terrible things. If I am not mistaken, the only “terrible thing” he did, he has reversed so it never happened. Also did that “terrible thing” to end war that threatened the galaxy. He did it to save lives.

1. Most animals (possibly some networks of plants and fungi) are without doubt sentient, Sapience is relative. But in the context of the show the Doctor can hold a conversation with cat or a horse in the same way he can with a human baby. The language of crows is something the telepathic circuits of the TARDIS can translate into languages the crew can understand. In the past this gave the Doctor pause enough to dabble with vegetarianism (something he gave up though his subconscious beats himself up over it).

2).Missy like the Doctor can hold a conversation with a cat. Missy would probably eat a cat and enjoy it just as Bill enjoys her bacon sandwich. She has eaten humans and considered eating Clara. To her awareness is not enough to warrant parity as a species. She has generally sociopathic tendencies even to other Time Lords but to her eating human is no different than Bill eating pork.

3). The Master was made aware of his own heart beat as a signal to the High Council to attempt to pull them out of the Time War. This became more acute over time and contributed to his pure mental health (The Sound of Drums). Rassilon himself assumes responsibility for the Master being “diseased” but doesn’t care, being pretty evil himself.

4)… surely for the love your enemy thing to work God has to practice what he preaches. Going by the character’s MO I doubt if the Prince of Lies would give an honest confession but that’s the same situation we have with Missy who is at least as dishonest as the Doctor.

5. The Doctor has repeatedly hoped for redemption for the Daleks (see Evil of the Daleks and Into the Dalek). He is happy when it seems to work and disappointed when it doesn’t. The Daleks are not his friends or even best enemies. Look at the acts of compassion he visited on Davros (someone he describes as his arch enemy much to annoyance of Missy).

6. All things are fiction to some degree. It’s all metaphor. I don’t fully understand the workings of my own mind so to assume that of even my best friend is arrogant. All I have to work with is an approximation of what I can deduce other people are like. A story, based on a true story. So Missy is as real as anyone in my life… from a certain point of view 😃 There are similar creatures who see people as toys and toys as something to be broken. I can imagine some of those people experimenting with not behaving that way to reach some other goal. Maybe for Missy being friends with the Doctor again is worth giving up finger painting with the blood of the innocent… at least for a while. For the Doctor redemption for his old friend is worth risking the lives of his new friends. He is an alien. And if two human being can have different attitudes towards bacon or dog why can’t two aliens have different attitudes towards human or any other creature?

cbuckiso said:

Test

Tickles

Handman said:

My biggest complaint about Capaldi’s shows, is that even when there is one or two good stories, there are always three or four completely incoherent messes to bury them. I’m with Tobar. Can’t wait for Moffat to leave.

The character has been around since 1963 in television, audio, cinema, comic book and novel form and in every iteration over those many decades when it is bad it’s dull. When it’s good it’s astounding. It’s nothing to do with any particular show runner, though a fresh injection of creativity tends to spark the greater stories. For every Robots of Death there is a Horns of Nimon. For every Midnight there is a Fear Her. For every Heaven Sent there is a Sleep No More. Roll with it.

Warbler said:

I saw a little bit of an episode this season. I can see the series is not for me anymore. The Master switching to a good guy/gal? It is ok that he/she murdered people because people eat meat??? Sorry no thanks.

I’m a vegetarian so it’s preaching to the converted in my case.
But it’s really a metaphor for ethical perspective and innate nature. As moral beings we see killing our own kind, most of the time, as an act of evil but as products of nature making that connection to what we may deem as lesser creatures isn’t as obvious. There is a similar problem for some when they respond to the eating of pigs and dogs or killing of creatures considered pests when a more humane option is available. The Master is an alien. He/she sees us as barely alive shapes that can be popped for amusement but her friend from the same species sees us as kindred. The Mistress seems to having an epithany (though she could be lying). She seems to be seeing us as more than finger paint. As a Christian Warb you believe in redemption for all, even Satan could be redeemed if he genuinely acted on regret and confession. Missy has been Conditioned to be Satanic. She claims to be breaking that conditioning… Very reluctantly at the moment and possibly as a deception. The Doctor wants redemption for all. He has done terrible things and feels if he can save these arch characters he can save himself. It’s a surprisingly Christian theme. I’m confused why you wouldn’t embrace it.

Fuck you A-bomb!

Is it just me or does the pyramid tent look more like the Jaws poster?

At last the full body horror of Cybermen. You could practically smell the disinfectant.

Skywalker Mark Hamill?

Should have gone with the lesbian space puddle Bill.

adywan said:

Frank Machin said:

i can see why Ady avoids most of you losers like the plague…goodbye

I’m avoiding most people here? Bloody news to me.

Yeah you are avoiding people in 720p and with the collors fixed.😄

No worries Warb. We carry them all in time. Like tree rings. All those generations inside us holding us upright in the storm.

SilverWook said:

That was perfect shot of Vir to use. Although if you know the context, it’s a bit macabre.

Mr Morden should have been elected Emperor… Ahead of the poles… No…? Bah!

Brian Cant has gone too… http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40335213

https://youtu.be/N-hQ6-biWoo

yhwx said:

Nah.

Nah Solo

Yeah Warb. I try to block out junk mail and spam on my internets but I have to maintain the work Facebook page so I just got bombarded with cynical demands that I treat my father to all manner of pointless crap that he would have binned without a thought.
Even after 25 years it’s still quite raw to have to reminded over and over.
But I chat with him him in that ivory dome under my crazy hair and it’s okay.
A bit echoey but generally speaking as good a forum as any for a conversation.

Farewell Vir Cotto, he has been sent elsewhere to that menagerie beyond the rim.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stephen-furst-dead-animal-house-st-actor-was-81-1014483

Warbler said:

Sorry about your frustrations. What exactly is a P45?

As I indicated in my post it’s the equivalent of a pink slip. An official note of termination of employment. I’ve had two extensions of contract already as the pilot was meant to end in March. The Foundation is a great national employer with an international reach but they don’t actually run services so when these experimental pilots come to an end they need to picked up by regional charities and unfortunately they aren’t always as well funded or organised.

^THAT!

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Trying to get the manager of the charity I’m seconded to applying for continuance funding has been a real struggle

Did you mean to say here “Trying to get the manager of the charity I’m seconded to, to apply for continuance funding has been a real struggle”?

Yes 😃
She is very well connected and articulate but she could really do with a more “computer age savvy” deputy. Someone who can assist her personally, read through and check her e-mails sit on commitees and forums when she can not and help her fill in forms in a timely fashion.

Just as I need someone to read through my online contributions to forums and question and correct my punctuation, spelling and grammar 😄

Thanks for good wishes.

For the third time since getting this job I’ve come home to find my P45 (pink slip) waiting for me. Hopefully I can get some sort of extention again just so I can manage or dismantle the existing mentor relationships while we wait for funding results. It’s frustrating not knowing one way or another. I can’t give a clear package of information to the people I feel personal responsibility towards.

http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20170428-why-talking-to-yourself-is-the-first-sign-of-success
We had the second big event in Glasgow yesterday.
Despite the venue being not as sold and the ‘sound system’ being a tiny bluetooth speaker and the food being filthy we still managed to impress. In fact we may be inspiring a similar service to ours in my ancestral stomping ground of Galloway (frey). Hopefully my boss can secure a partial refund (we had to nip out and buy a speaker system so our film could be heard).
I don’t know if folk here have seen themselves on film before but it an odd experience. In my head I sound like Richard Bryers but in reality I’m more like Neil Gaiman with a slight impediment and hint of a cadence.
Thanks Darths.
I was given a great bit of advice from one of our service users. He suggested before people come in jumping up and down in the venue as if in celebration. It kind of worked.

Some of you will remember sometime back when I unexpectedly got my dream job working for the Mental Health Foundation.
Well I’ve been feeling a bit glum recently.
Trying to get the manager of the charity I’m seconded to applying for continuance funding has been a real struggle and I thought I would have to just close our service down despite it being very successful.
We have had two events and a film which we have had to organise for a couple of months and today was the big one for me. The events organiser was dreading it. Expecting it to poorly attended. I hate public speaking so the thought of doing it over two days is my idea of hell.
Well it was packed and the film went down really well and all the questions and the feedback were really positive. Two major funders seem very keen and I may have another extention to my contract while we wait for the results.
I’m really buzzing with excitement but also totally knocked out and tired (the stress has been playing havok on my sleep patterns) so in short not exactly great news yet but I feel much more optimistic than this time last week.

Life (2017)

More stupid scientists in space.
Not as frustrating as Prometheus or Alien Covenant but clearly Zero G is bad for the noodles.
half a ball because the ending was great

Take your feuding to another thread please.

I thought this was the famous Brenda Bristols : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6_w7aa9MHI