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Auronfan02 said:

livserge said:

Auronfan02 said:

ahhh thank you for the reply... i already looked for the 16mm puggo to download but cant find the link in the thread... by ,, real " i mean the same ,, bad sound and picture" quality as released in the cisemas all thos years ago ;) can you maybe send me the links to them ? 

sounds strange but for me counts as worst as best :D

 Star Wars was never released in bad quality in the cinemas.

 you're right ;) But i want to have it as close as possible as seen in the cinemas on first release :)

 The first releases were great, in 70mm opening day would have been better than, or as good as, anything now. But I suppose it's likely a fair number of people saw it in a grindhouse-type situation later, during '78 or '79. 

gizzy2000 said:

did they plan out the whole SE thing and only restore the parts that George wanted them to and then leave the other parts to rot? 

Dennis Muren said they kept adding shots as it went on and the whole thing snowballed into the shitshow it became, so I would assume everything got cleaned first. Because you want to have a nice pristine restored shot so you can stick a cartoon dinosaur in it.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq1zim0uBa1qc6nfn.jpg

I think there was a theory that, during the original shooting, Vader was supposed to make contact with Luke right there in the hangar, briefly and wordlessly and that maybe it was changed in post in 83 from the original concept, and cobbled together from a lot of other bits. (Vader in the chamber is from EMPIRE, Vader walking down the corridor may actually be from the Jerjerrod scene, some of the dialogue). Not sure.

Yeah they just scan the finished piece of film like any 90s movie.

That guy is making a huge leap about recomping all the shots again. Of course they aren't doing that. They'd just scan the neg at 4K like they did with JAWS and we either get the 97 version or the 97 version with a side of extra crap dumped on it at the later digital level.

Unfortunately I'm sure the disney guys are looking at the numbers for copies sold when it comes to non-new release movies and they're pretty brutal

(http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/bluray-sales/2014  )

I'm sure Star Wars '77 would be a cut above most catalog titles and do fine, but when deciding what kind of money to spend on it: a pricey full restoration vs. a basic catalog treatment, which would be almost all gravy, it's easy to see which path they'd rather chose. I would love to be wrong.

It seems possible that if they do it, they'd just slip an IP-sourced simple catalog transfer onto disc 2. Which is fine by me, it's much harder to screw up. And it would be on par with the Blade Runner set and most movies in general, which is mostly what we've been harping on all this time anyway. If they make a big announcement about the originals getting 4k rebuilt, it might be like announcing: "the policy of the last 17 years has been really stupid. We are now spending way, way more money than necessary to correct it!" Which is not a very Lucasfilm-y or Disney-ish thing.

unamochilla2 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Well, I would assume so. Speaking of the Holiday Special, I recall something about how Lucas allowed a documentary filmmaker to have access to the original copy of the Holiday Special back in '04. If the Holiday Special (something I can assure you Lucas hated more than the OOT) was still in watchable condition after 25 years, I'm sure the original parts of the negative cut out for the SE are in a bit better condition then some people may think. 

 I take it the Holiday Special was shot on film, then?

 No it was shot on tape. The animated cartoon might exist in film somewhere though.

Mike O said:

I know we've been over this ad nausem, but since the search function and forum setup here are so bad, I'll ask again anyway, didn't Lucas hack up the OOT negatives so badly that restoring them would take considerable effort? 

 No. Well, for Lucas any amount of effort greater than "none" was too much, but for the rest of the world it's not a big deal. The material exists. Reconstructing an episode of Star Trek next generation from the raw dailies is a bigger hassle and they just did that 170 times.

They're just showing off the fancy mixing room for some overseas journalist. The Jedi speeder bike scene is probably one of their go-to demo scenes.

@supersonic, I hope that's true, the cost of a simple blu-ray is so negligible, especially weighed against the bad press of changes getting booed at every single public screening they've ever had in the last several years, including Star Wars conventions where the audience is as friendly as they're gonna get. Plus it'll probably come up again that the director of Episode 8 has bad mouthed the special editions. Meanwhile, Disney thoroughly cleaned up THE BLACK HOLE over 2 years ago and hasn't even bothered to put out a blu-ray ( TV showings only) so they clearly aren't sweating the cost of color correcting and dirt cleaning films in their catalog.

GlastoEls said:

Great point above - I also would feel much more generous to the prequels if I had a quality OUT Blu-Ray.

 Yeah me too. But I really can't see Disney releasing any version of their own making. anything they put out will be either 2011, or '97, or original (ideally), or maybe some final cut that George signed off on.

Yeah it never really works when they try to draw perfect actor likenesses in comics, it usually looks creepy. Better to have a stylized comic-booky equivalent. Also, Leia flew a fighter in the old Marvels (and it's also implied in JEDI, her Y-Wing is in the sandstorm scene.)

Since it was the most broadly popular movie ever made (in terms of demographics), I don't think anyone was getting hassled for just for liking it.

I cant imagine Fox is a stumbling block of any kind, they would have put the original versions out years ago if George had let them. I would think they'd like to put out as many releases as possible of all 6 movies between now and 2020. Like we've seen with the Halloween and Evil Dead movies.

Cool. Whichever version it is, should be fun.

I'm hoping it's the 97 version, at least that would end the officially mandated erasing earlier versions from history.

emanswfan said:

So wait, the GOUT doesn't have the original mix?

 No it's a new mix created for the laserdiscs in 1993. I think it's based on the 70mm, but with some new stuff added on.

emanswfan said:

Octorox said:

Um, isn't the 81 version just the 77 version with the Episode IV crawl and a slightly different sound mix?

 That's what I thought, just I think some people would prefer the original mix but with crawl.

 The 81 release had original mixes from 77. (70mm or stereo depending on where you saw it. I think mono was mostly over by then, but maybe not.)

And I really think Fox has zero decision making ability about anything. They are just the venue for whatever LFL/disney wants to release, which gets them a piece of the action.

That theater in Atlanta was making a big to-do about unveiling a new DCP on Friday, I suppose this could be it. Maybe they started on this with the intention that it would be used as the basis for the 3D release that would have come out last year if they had continued with those. The 2010-12 timeline on that resume' lines up with that whole pointless clown show.

Ugh. The changes are so ingrained now, the nature of the original version is like a vague urban legend now, with people just assuming it couldn't be THAT different.

whoa, hold the phone. (if this theater event pans out, it might need its own thread)

https://www.facebook.com/PlazaAtlanta

I don't think it would be a huge departure from the padme visions in Episode 3 if young Leia is seen in that sort of context, "the future, the past, old friends long gone" etc.

Looks really great. I love how warm everything is, evokes those first widescreen laserdiscs in my mind.

Sounds pretty interesting. (If every single possible variation is included, I bet there would be almost no 2 versions exactly alike.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/07/rian-johnson-looper_n_1866304.html

(in addition to the tweets on the OT)