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#1435737
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Most Powerful Quote in all the Star Wars films.
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“You and the Naboo form a symbiont circle. What happens to one of you will affect the other. You must understand this.”

I think it’s one of the most often overlooked bits of dialogue as it greatly illustrates how we can’t live without one another and that we’re doomed to fail if we don’t find common ground. I’m not sure it’s the most powerful but it’s definitely one of the most impactful and meaningful.

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#1435601
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The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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act on instinct said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

but as is it would mess with the pace and tension release too much

You mean provide a welcome break from the snail’s pace of the Tatooine section?

Maybe for everyone who is used to Star Wars that’s how Tatooine feels, as a kid I loved the mystery of the barren planet with the droids before meeting Luke. And yes if there was an exciting chase through a tight winding cavern in the beginning of the movie it would cause diminishing returns by the end of the movie, the sequence the entire story is building up to.

I completely agree. I still love the down time with them for the reasons that it also is very much all visual storytelling and a good quieter part of the narrative after a strong action set piece on the Tantive IV. It gives us some time to process what we’ve seen so far before the story starts picking up again when we meet Luke. You need those quieter moments to contrast the bigger ones to get to know your characters. That’s partly why I think the down time in The Phantom Menace is so critical before the podrace. It gives us a chance to get to know Anakin as a person before he does something extraordinary.

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#1435595
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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screams in the void said:

Stardust1138 said:

screams in the void said:

^ This current discussion reminds me of the whole " Ring Theory " that was going on a few years back , I gotta go with HelloGreedo on his take on it here…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGBGcvWkdM

To which I rebuke with this video essay by Rick Worley. He shares quotes from George that back things up that show the Ring Theory is true. It’s definitely intentional as you can even see it in The Clone Wars.

https://youtu.be/vqnjzVX8EKA

Here’s also a shorter video that addresses the idea.

https://youtu.be/Btp1BoGbuiM

Even Disney Star Wars does it. Albeit without understanding context a lot of the time and deliberate copy and paste.

https://youtu.be/Lrr1-T4Z_Wo

^ In regards to the first video you linked to , cherry picking and subjective editing and commentary do not prove something to be true and the maker of that video is analogous to those he points to who are doing the same thing .

In regards to the second video , a great deal of those story points in Empire are a greatly attributable to screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan ,who also was a screenwriter on The Force Awakens …I think he understood context just fine . The video also points to Terminator 2 as an example of ring theory ,which HelloGreedo mentions that a ton of other films do and that it’s not hard to spot these things if you are looking for them .

In regards to the third video…of course their are parallels ,as HelloGreedo mentions that a ton of other films do and that it’s not hard to spot these things if you are looking for them, even The Legends EU did these things like closed loops and circular narratives ,as does Star Wars under Disney , which Those Rebels clips in the video are a part of .

All this said , there are things that I like about All of the Star Wars films and things I don’t which is a whole other topic on its own

I respectfully disagree in part with what you’re saying as George discusses it in greater detail than just what was covered in the video. He discusses it in the commentary of The Phantom Menace. He calls it “visual jazz” and in the commentary of Attack of the Clones addresses how characters start saying the same things with similar ambitions. Notably Anakin and Dooku. For that matter he addresses these things in the commentary of each of his films as he’s been exploring these ideas since his early days when working on THX 1138 and American Graffiti. There’s too many examples to consider them to be coincidence. Some of the most notable examples within Star Wars are how the Jedi Temple arrival in The Phantom Menace syncs at the same time with its burning in Revenge of the Sith. The Podrace and the Speeder Bike Chase in Return of the Jedi sync and begin at the same time. The explosions happen at the same time. The framing and camera work. It all aligns together. There’s also Obi-Wan telling Luke he needs his help in A New Hope while it’s mere second synchronised with Palpatine saying the same thing to Anakin. The level of detail he went to with paralleling father and son’s story is definitely there in layers through narrative structure and. strong visual imagery. Sometimes they happen with the same character in different ways like Anakin’s choice when he succumbed to the Dark Side versus when he found the Light Side again when facing a similar choice. Narratively and visually it’s the same idea played differently but the same common principle but a different choice being made. There’s a great misunderstanding that poetry means copying but the images and narrative have to differ in some way for it to work effectively. This is why Rey doesn’t work entirely because they gave her so many responsibilities within the narrative that they didn’t think of the context.

I do think things are subjective but at the same time I do think sometimes people analysis films from the prospective of what they want them to be versus what the author intended. That’s not to say Red Letter Media or whomever can’t have an opinion as we all have one but trying to understand what the author intended versus spitballing without proper claims is not always right, especially when so many of the perceived problems of the Prequels are addressed within the narrative. It’s all to say that if you let go of what you want something to be you may find an understanding of what the author intended and see the underlying subtly versus your notions of what it is. There’s rules for a reason within filmmaking of this scale but that’s not to say they’re not meant to be breakable if done right.

The thing with The Empire Strikes Back is George had the narrative and majority of the plot outlined. He came up with the large bulk of the ideas for it. Lawrence Kasdan mostly touched up the dialogue, notably with Yoda. There’s this great misconception that George didn’t do much with Empire and that’s why it’s “the best of the best” but he really was heavily involved. It’s out of respect for Leigh Brackett that he’s not recognised more I think and in turn Lawrence Kasdan received such a cult status. I highly recommend Jonathan Rinzler’s book.

We’ll have to disagree about The Force Awakens. I think it copies without understanding context more than anything. It’s too on the nose.

I’ve not seen Terminator. So I don’t think it’s fair to give my thoughts on that part of the video but it came after Star Wars. A lot of films may connect to some extent to it now but it wasn’t always that way. Star Wars is what pushed the mythology and importance of heroes back on the path of central importance within mainstream stories. Before that Hollywood in particular was going down a very gritty and dark path. That’s not to say there wasn’t stories that didn’t parallel or connect before it but it had fallen off in Hollywood. Star Wars has always had strong parallels. The Original Trilogy in its own way fits the structure of ring composition very well between the three films.

I think Rebels is the only Disney era content to truly get the context mostly right but it makes sense that it would as Dave Filoni learned from George. I can’t say for the other bits as I’ve read very little of the EU so far and with Disney’s films it’s all about context. I think they’re missing context most of the time. I think Rogue One and some of The Last Jedi are exceptions.

Absolutely. We all have different interpretations of what is and what isn’t Star Wars. That’s part of the charm of it. It brings different people together for different reasons but there’s a common ground in knowing we all love it but may differ in some ways. I may not fully think Disney has understood Star Wars but I can still find some enjoyment if I don’t think too much of it fitting into what George created. His six films and The Clone Wars will always be my favourites. I’ll always be grateful to him.

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#1435000
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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screams in the void said:

^ This current discussion reminds me of the whole " Ring Theory " that was going on a few years back , I gotta go with HelloGreedo on his take on it here…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGBGcvWkdM

To which I rebuke with this video essay by Rick Worley. He shares quotes from George that back things up that show the Ring Theory is true. It’s definitely intentional as you can even see it in The Clone Wars.

https://youtu.be/vqnjzVX8EKA

Here’s also a shorter video that addresses the idea.

https://youtu.be/Btp1BoGbuiM

Even Disney Star Wars does it. Albeit without understanding context a lot of the time and deliberate copy and paste.

https://youtu.be/Lrr1-T4Z_Wo

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#1434860
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

I mean, their bodies are in completely different positions…

Here’s an example with Luke and Padme.

Anakin above is part of the reversal.

Images mirror and intersect with one another within the structure to reverse and intertwine. There’s a difference between copying, and visual and narrative poetry. They’re not necessarily mutually exclusive as they must differ in some way for the cycle to work.

This video is a good reference too:

https://youtu.be/k7ZW1gtCljs

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#1434850
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Found this on Reddit:

“I noticed that the first face shot we get of both young & old Anakin before each version “dies”, mirrors one another down to the position of the eyes. Both stare up at their vanquisher.”

The sheer amount of attention to detail George went to within his six films is unparalleled.

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#1434823
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Last movie seen
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The Clone Wars - Movie

I hadn’t seen it in years but I decided to buy it as I found a real good deal on it. It’s not nearly as bad as its reputation leads one to believe. I really enjoyed it and if I’m honest it’s the most fun I’ve had watching Star Wars in a long time. It’s not perfect as it’s a bit weirdly paced in the beginning and has a couple of weird aspects but once it gets going it’s a real treat and fun with some good wisdom sprinkled in. At the end of the day that’s all I could’ve asked for and it delivered.

I definitely want to watch the parts of the series I’ve not seen yet by continuing my quest in watching what is the last remaining stories George told in a galaxy far, far, away and beyond for that matter…

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#1434541
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
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Robert Watts - A Life in Film

https://youtu.be/9uRTQjUdEyg

from the Filmumentaries com YouTube channel (27 minutes long)

The Blurb: Back in July 2018 I got to spend an hour with legendary location manager and producer, Robert Watts. In this interview we talk about the origins of his film career and some of the highlights along the way.

This conversation goes beyond just his time working on the Original Trilogy but it felt relevant here comparably speaking to similar threads. Star Wars talk begins at the 4:24 mark.

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#1433285
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Football / Soccer thread - general footy, futebol, futbol, fotbal, Fußball, voetbal or calcio
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fmalover said:

As a German football fan I was rooting for Chelsea (Rüdiger, Havertz and Werner + head coach Thomas Tuchel), and I also didn’t want to put up with pundits all around the world having a collective orgasm over that smug Catalan winning his third CL, so I’m very happy with the result.

I must say that Thomas Tuchel has really grown on me considerably. I felt very bittersweet when he was hired as Frank Lampard is my footballing hero and how likeable he is but now I love him wholeheartedly. I’m glad he’s our manager and hope he’s with us for the long term. We’ll have to see though given our track record.

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#1432355
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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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I never realised how quite a few of Obi-Wan’s teachings to Luke play a part in the latter and Kylo’s fight on Crait.

The biggest being when Obi-Wan states -

“Your eyes can deceive you, don’t trust them.”

During the same teachings Obi-Wan the following occurs -

Obi-Wan - “Remember, a Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him.”

Luke Skywalker - “You mean it controls your actions?”

Obi-Wan - “Partially, but it also obeys your commands.”

In light of George’s comments about the Whills and Midi-Chlorians I feel it connects another layer to the lesson and what is and isn’t destiny and free will.

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#1432347
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Star Wars Headcanons
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Wasn’t that R2-D2’s job?

George said the following to Rob Coleman during the making of Revenge of the Sith:

"The entire story of Star Wars is actually being recounted to the keeper of the Journal of the Whills – remember that? – a hundred years after the events of Return of the Jedi by none other than R2-D2.”

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#1432204
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Midichlorians Are Not The Force
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Here’s some quotes from George in Paul Duncan’s book that give important context:

“This is the cosmology. The Force is the energy, the fuel, and without it everything would fall apart. The Force is a metaphor for God, and God is essentially unknowable. But behind it is another metaphor, which fits so well into the movie that I couldn’t resist it. Midi-Chlorians are the equivalent of Mitochondria in living organisms and photosynthesis in plants - I simply combined them for easier consumption by the viewer. Mitochondria create the chemical energy that turns one cell into two cells.”

“I like to think that there is a unified reality to life and that it exists everywhere in the universe and that it controls things, but you can also control it. That’s why I split it into the Personal Force and the Cosmic Force. The Personal Force is the energy field created by our cells interacting and doing things while we are alive. When we die, we lose our persona and our energy is assimilated into the Cosmic Force. If we have enough Midi-Chlorians in our body, we can have a certain amount of control over our Personal Force and learn how to use it, like the Buddhist practice of being able to walk on hot coals.”

“The Jedi will train you to connect to your Personal Force, and then to connect to the Cosmic Force. You don’t have much power to control the Cosmic Force, but you can make use of it.”

And about the Whills and Anakin’s origins:

“The Whills are a microscopic, single-celled lifeform like amoeba, fungi, and bacteria. There’s something like 100.000 times more Whills than there are Midi-Chlorians, and there’s about 10.000 times more Midi-Chlorians than there are human cells. The only microscopic entities that can go into the human cells are the Midi-Chlorians. They are born in the cells. The Midi-Chlorians provide the energy for human cells to split and create life. The Whills are single-celled animals that feed on the Force. The more of the Force there is, the better off they are. So they have a very intense symbiotic relationship with the Midi-Chlorians and the Midi-Chlorians effectively work for the Whills. It is estimated that we have 100 trillion microbes in our body and we are made up of about 90% bacteria and 10% human cells. So who is in service to whom? I know this is the kind of thing that fans just go berserk over because they say, “We want it to be mysterious and magical”, and “You’re just doing science.” Well, this isn’t science. This is just as mythological as anything else in Star Wars. It sounds more scientific, but it’s a fiction. It’s saying there is a big symbiotic relationship to create life, and to create the Force, but if you look at all the life-forms in the universe, most of them are one-celled organisms. I think of one-celled organisms as an advanced form of life because they’ve been able to travel through the universe. They have their own spaceships - those meteorites that we get every once in a while. They’ve been living on those things for thousands of years, they’ve been frozen, unfrozen, and can survive almost anything. The one-celled organisms have to have a balance. You have to have good ones and bad ones otherwise it would extinguish life. And if they go out of balance, the dark side takes over.”

“The Midi-Chlorians started the birth process in Anakin’s mother. The Whills communicated the command to the midi-chlorians, which activated the DNA that germinated the egg. That’s why Anakin doesn’t have a father. He was in a bizarre and metaphorical way touched by God, but in this case they happened to be one-celled animals.”

As well as an older article from Jonathan Rinzler clarifying that it’s not at all about blood:

https://www.starwars.com/news/so-what-the-heck-are-midi-chlorians

I honestly think one of the most unfortunate things to happen with Star Wars is that we’ll probably never know the full story of these story points George planted to explore further in his Sequels. I honestly would like to hope having the full story laid out between this and the mystery of Sifo-Dyas being resolved that the Prequels would be understood more so at the very least as I think having certain story points and the apparent “plot holes” resolved would truly show the scope of the consequences of our actions and dilemmas faced by a family across generations.