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Most Disappointing Aspect of Sequel Trilogy? Most Satisfying? * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *

BedeHistory731 said:

BB-Rey said:

No respect or regard for the Prequels.
Diminishing Anakin’s legacy as the Chosen One.

I don’t mind either of those.

Each to their own opinion. I just feel even if you don’t like something you should at least respect the established lore and canon rules of what’s been established. There’s ways that you can go about it that both respects it and pushes you to new and exciting areas. Pandering gets you nowhere unless it makes sense for the story to go in those places like say Darth Plagueis may have done.

Most Disappointing Aspect of Sequel Trilogy? Most Satisfying? * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *

Most satisfying:

Most things with Rey
More strong female characters.
Kylo Ren/Ben Solo.
Rey and Ben’s Bond.
Finn’s growth from running away anxious and becoming a respected member of the Resistance.
Luke’s lessons on Atch-To.
Rey pulling and using the lightsaber on Starkiller Base.
Overall each ot the characters are solid and likable.
Rey versus Dark Rey.
The Throne Room in The Last Jedi.
Han and Ben.
Leia using and having her own lightsaber.
BB-8’s thumbs up.
“Women always figure out the truth. Always.”
Some world building.

Most Disappointing:

Rehashing the Originals.
No respect or regard for the Prequels.
Lack of character consistency.
No regard for established character developments, lore, and canon rules
Luke tossing the lightsaber.
Rey being a Palpatine.
Barely any development with the Knights of Ren.
Snoke having no purpose other than being some vessel for Palpatine.
Palpatine returning with no explanation.
No explanation to how Maz got the Skywalker lightsaber.
Most world building.
Finn not freeing the stormtroopers and giving them redemption.
Ben Solo dying.
Diminishing Anakin’s legacy as the Chosen One.
Rebels versus Empire 2.0.
No knowledge of the Jedi who left with Ben when he became Kylo.
Barely any R2-D2 and C-3PO.
The dozen or more plotholes.

Name Something You Unreservedly Love About TROS (SPOILERS)

Leia training Rey. It’s so beautiful and potent. Two strong women in a master and apprentice role is incredible! It’s something I’ve always wanted and didn’t know how much I truly needed it.

I also loved Leia and Luke training together. So exciting seeing Leia with her own lightsaber!

In general I think they handled Leia well for the most part given the circumstances.

<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *

OutboundFlight said:

Is it weird I found the planet killing Star Destroyers logical within the lore? It feels a natural progression from Death Star, not unlike the evolution and mass production of atomic weapons.

I find Starkiller Base more egregious because it’s big thing is “it’s bigger”. It becomes so big it’s unbelievable, and it’s a very stupid concept to make yourself a bigger target after two failed Death Stars.

Not sure it fits for me but you make a fair point.

I agree on Starkiller Base completely. It wasn’t needed. I did have a theory back when that Snoke was only using the First Order and Starkiller for a greater purpose. He’d then use the Knights of Ren who were hiding in the Unknown Regions waiting to invade. All while searching for answers to immortality. That’s why I thought in a way he used Starkiller and “died” to take himself out of the picture to divide the First Order and even Resistance further. Especially with his “You wonder why I keep a rapid cur in such a place of power. A curs weakness properly manipulated can be a sharp tool.” This all ended up meaning nothing. Except maybe the draining Life Force which maybe was for immorality.

<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *

I finally saw The Rise of Skywalker yesterday. It’s a flawed and lore crushing entry but also an entertaining popcorn movie. I think pertaining to established lore and canon it really doesn’t understand the source material but at the same time as of right now I find it to be a fun time if you don’t take it seriously.

Lore Crushing and Other Bits:

Rey being a Palpatine. It makes no sense for him to have a son within established lore. Namely in Revenge of the Sith for example he tells Anakin “I need your help son”. It’s very clear to me that he saw himself as a surrogate father. Maybe even as the father but that seemed to be more connected to Darth Plagueis. Rey’s lineage also felt like trying to pander to everyone and not stepping on any toes.

Palpatine using Force Lightning on the fleet. So, why exactly didn’t he do this over the Battle of Endor?

Force powers. They were really cool but within established lore context don’t make sense.

Planet Killing Star Destroyers - What?!

Knights of Ren? Not important.

How did Maz get the lightsaber? Not important.

Snoke? Pointless and possibly just a clone vessel for Palpatine?

Prequel references and bringing the saga full circle? Nope.

I’m sure there’s more I could say but I need to see it again to give an ultimate verdict. Right now, I found it to be entertaining on it’s own merits namely with Leia and Luke training, Leia training Rey, Rey and Ben, Lando, and some other bits but as a conclusion I find it’s a contradiction to lore and canon. It equally feels like it’s trying to course correct The Last Jedi at times which made it very wonky and like two different visions were clashing. Star Wars was always more than popcorn fun for me but that is now what it’s come to and I think I’m at peace with that. I can let go now.

I miss George.

Le Country thread (read description)

I’m not sure I have a least favourite country but my favourites are England, Russia, Scotland, Italy, Wales, Switzerland, and Denmark.

England - I love English culture ranging from the arts to football, history, royalty, and it’s sense of community within the different corners.

Russia - It’s more than bad stereotypes. There’s something incredibly spiritual about it. It’s also rich in the arts, culture, royality, history, and more. I love how it’s where Andrei Tarkovsky is from. It’s also incredibly beautiful.

Scotland - Scottish people tend to be very friendly and kind. Plus look no further than the Isle of Skye for dream holiday adventures.

Italy - The history, culture, food, and sense of family. It’s a beautiful country.

Wales - It’s beautiful and filled with medieval history.

Switzerland - It’s very beautiful and is the stuff out of a storybook.

Denmark - Home of Lego. Enough said.

Honourable Mentions: Ireland, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, and Kenya.


Tobar said:

RogueLeader said:

But it does make me wonder if Lucasfilm actually has some psuedo-vocabulary they use for simple Huttese when writing alien dialogue for the actors/voice actors to speak, and the variations are just due actors pronouncing words slightly different or loose translations.

Ben Burtt invented Huttese for Return of the Jedi. He published a book with common phrases in a number of Star Wars languages years ago. So yes, Huttese has always been consistent.

I have this book somewhere. Brings back many memories. Haha

Last movie seen

DuracellEnergizer said:

Andrei Rublev’s an excellently crafted movie, but it didn’t give me the static shock so many others seem to get from it. I dunno why. It’s very long, but so was Stalker, and I love that film. I also like Christian films with actual intelligence behind them. Yet I could only give it 8/10.

I can certainly understand that but also don’t give up on only one viewing if that’s all you’ve seen of it. If I’ve learned anything in watching his films is that the more you watch them, the deeper meanings you’ll find and new ideas and layers emerge. The biggest example I’ve found of this is Zerkalo. It’s personally his best work to me. Stalker was my first and I love it too. It’s truly an incredible film. I especially love Stalker’s Prayer about when we are born that we are soft but as we grow old we become hard. Truly one of my all time cinematic moments. I think while Andrei Rublev is certainly a Christian film in a lot of ways, I’d say try looking at it as an artist trying to keep their integrity during a difficult time. I think greater meaning will open up. The only film from his that I’ve struggled with so far is Solaris. I still need to watch it, Ivan’s Childhood, Nostalghia, and The Sacrifice. I owe a lot to Andrei and feel his presence often.

Last movie seen

Force-Abel said:

BB-Rey said:

Andrei Rublev. It’s truly an incredible film. Words can’t give it the due it deserves.

The 1966 version? (I am not sure if they have remade this - like so many others?)

It is a film I have been meaning to view for a long time, yet have never quite got around to it. I think I really must rectify this as many people say good things about Tarkovsky’s film.

Yes indeed. There were two cuts. But I watched the preferred cut of Andrei.

I don’t think you’d be disappointed by doing so. Andrei Tarkovsky is a truly incredible filmmaker and artist. I feel a very deep spiritual connection with him. Ever since I saw Stalker earlier this year my life has changed in ways I never thought were possible. Stalker has left me scarred and haunted for reasons I don’t understand and don’t want to know. Andrei Rublev only adds to that feeling but in a different way. For me it has a way that makee the viewer feel hopeful and potency despite the tragedies. I don’t want to spoil anything but highly recommend it.

Star Wars moving forward without Ms. Fisher

Force-Abel said:

Carrie Fisher’s brother reveals new details about Leia’s ‘Rise of Skywalker’ role: ‘She was going to be the last Jedi’:-

It aligns with what Mark said about her being trained by Luke as a Jedi in George’s Treatments for Episode IX before Luke passes on. That was a big theory of mine that it would be her children who bring Balance of the Force on a place like Mortis with Anakin while she’s left as the one to carry on the legacy in this realm. I wonder if they’ll repurpose this by making Finn the last Jedi.

Either way it’s really tragic and sad we will never see Leia’s true potential. I’m grateful though that we’ll see Leia in some compacity in The Rise of Skywalker. I hope it’s as satisfying conclusion as can be for her.

If you could change one thing about every movie, what would it be?

TPM - No potty humour.

AOTC - Include the scenes at Padme’s parent’s house and have it written in ROTS that it would be too dangerous to leave Leia on Naboo with them.

ROTS - Include the deleted scenes of Padme and the Rebel Alliance. She deserves more.

ANH - The lightsaber fight.

TESB - No siblings kissing. Find another way to make Han jealous.

ROTJ - Have Boba survive on screen and track down the heroes on Endor. A final confrontation between Han and Boba to enter the shield generator would’ve been amazing.

TFA - I guess no Starkiller Base superweapon.

TLJ - Cut out the ‘Godspeed Rebels’ or at least find another way to wish the Resistance well, ‘Bastard’, Luke’s wonky walk after tossing the lightsaber, and the your momma humour.

Last movie seen

Mirror/Zerkalo directed by Andrei Tarkovsky. It’s truly stunning and beautiful. By far one of the best films I’ve ever seen. I really hope Criterion releases it soon on Blu Ray but I’m very glad I found an original mono mixing DVD of it. Although the picture isn’t as pristine as Criterion it’s still a wonderful piece of art to own and have as part of collection.

Similarities Between the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy

This video explores so much of why I love the parallels between the PT and OT. Honestly it’s one of the aspects I enjoy about Star Wars the most. I don’t think these things are accidental. I truly do think it’s intentional. The parallels are in there I feel to show how history repeats itself and it’s about overcoming the sins of what came before us. I personally think also the PT did a great job at showing how society evolves and changes. That’s exactly what we got. We saw the corruption in the Senate in TPM, division and war begin in AOTC, and the rise in ROTS. It builds to the darkness and doesn’t happen all at once.

George said as much:

" If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. The sequel is about Jedi Knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned."

My only major criticism for the ST is how the story sometimes feels so tied to the OT and doesn’t fully acknowledge what occurred in the PT. I truly believe that if we had answers to why Sifo-Dyas ordered the Clone Army and Anakin’s origins it would go a long way towards bridging the gap between the trilogies of trilogies and interconnect them as a nine part saga. One unpopular opinion I have is I also wouldn’t have been opposed to George’s microworld he spoke to James Cameron about. I feel it would’ve at least brought clarity and understanding. There’s a quote from Steven Spielberg from the 90’s where he said part of George’s concept for the PT involved the ST. I think the PT was very much an introduction that was going to be told in his ST story but instead it appears as of TFA and TLJ we are getting familiar in terms of look, feel, and certain storybeats. I love everything to do with Rey and Kylo, Luke, and nearly every character but I wish the other subplots could’ve been developed more into something that doesn’t so closely resemble that of the OT. I would rather see the full Jedi Knighthood theme and rebuilding of the New Republic. This isn’t to say I don’t enjoy the subplots but the one thing the PT has going for it that the ST doesn’t is it tells a story that is new and fresh within the parallels. It doesn’t feel entirely like the same exact cycle again but an extension and expanding of. We shall see though as maybe TROS will bring clarity in the form of Palpatine and show some of these themes.