AxiaEuxine

Thanks for the compliment. slowing working on the first inside page now....somewhat more challenging.

As always Adywan, beautiful, beautiful

There ya go Dark Father, the saber is blue now and I changed vader's helmet to mostly black/blue

C3PX said:

Why are you so distrusting? What reason do you have for not taking us at our word? Why do you want to feel like you know more about us than we know about ourselves? Why do you doubt our sincerity in wanting the unaltered trilogy for that reason? What other reasons would we have? Do you approach everything in life with such a high degree of distrust and doubt?

Yes, I never take anyone or anything at face value.

PS: I love the original trilogy in all of its original glory. Please dont ever think I dont.

Too funny, I obviously need to watch SW : R again.

AxiaEuxine said:

And the Prequels ARE good movies FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... haha... haha... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... I can't breath... hahahaha... phew... he he he... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Okay, okay, I'm alright, I -- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

AxiaEuxine said: I have never laughed at anyone for their opinions in this board, ever! No matter how much I disagreed with them. EVER!

Phew! Okay, first off, Axia, you really seem to do a whole lot posting and very little reading of other's posts. In most threads you seem to be having an entirely different conversation than everyone else is having. Like the person who walks into a room and hears just a few words of a conversation that has been going on for a while, and quickly assumes they know what the conversation is about and immediately shoots their mouth off with a bunch of unrelated nonsense. In real life, a good general rule before joining a pre-existing conversation is to listen for at least five to ten minutes before throwing in your two-cents. To adapt this to the world of forums, I'd say reading the last five to ten posts would be prudent. Or at the very least be sure you have a grasp on the conversation at hand. Seems regardless of what we actually post, you have each and everyone of us pegged as a bunch of hateful jerks out to destroy all that is good and lovely in the world by disliking the PT and the SE.

We get that you like the PT, that is great, you are not alone here. We respect the fact that you like the films, that is great. I myself have said on many occasions that I like The Phantom Menace well enough. By throwing virtual fits everytime someone mentions the prequels sucking, and trying to prove how much worse the OT was than the PT, you are not accomplishing anything but making yourself seem like a typical TF.N fangirl. If all you really want to do is discuss SW with like minded fans, I have to wonder why you are here? You'd fit in quite well there, not to say you are not welcome here, because you certainly are. It is just that, well, if there is anything I find more annoying than complaining, it is complaining about complaining. And here you have me complaining about complaining about complaining, and that really gets me irked :)

AxiaEuxine said: I am not a TFN Fangirl, I dont like those forums becuase its full of kids...I perfer talking with people somewhere around my own age. And Im sorry I got you irked, as Ive said many times before I just want to share my love of what is still a fantastic franchise with someone. All my posts stem from that.

Seriously, lighten up. Some people don't like the PT. What are you going to do about?

AxiaEuxine said: Apparently Im gonna argue with each and every one of you about it. 

On a final note, some of us really do care about history and art, and the preservation of them. If you'd really read this forum with an open mind you'd see that.

AxiaEuxine said:I submit that my finding value in that which so many others do not is enough evidence of my open mind.

It isn't only SW that we have preserved here, but many other things. Take a look in the preservation section sometime.

AxiaEuxine said: I have not looked at any non-SW thread with any appreciable amount of time. Im here for SW woot!

It saddens me to see someone say that a classic film that has been severely altered, was not altered enough to their liking. You call us "ex-Star Wars fans", sounds to me like you were never one to begin with.

AxiaEuxine said: Never one to begin with? You couldnt say anything more offensive to me personally if you tried. The ex-Star Wars fans remark on my part was catty I will give you that.  I apologise. I just see (for the most part) older SW fans not giving the newer stuff any chance. Youll watch it but it seems to me that you've already made up your minds to hate it...Let me put it this way to you. Do you watch a new clone wars episode and say "Yeah more Star Wars!" or do you say :I hope this one doesnt suck"?

 I am not full of bullshit, I am not using this as an excuse not to like the PT or the SE for some diabolical reasons.

I care about the OT being preserved just as I care about all great works being preserved. I am sure someone like you may feel that a work like The Odyssey could use some good updating. After all, it is a rather archaic work.

AxiaEuxine said: Now lets not get petty.

it could use a more modern setting, perhaps it could benefit from some editing, removal of some pointless plotlines, some embellishments and reworkings of some bits to make it less boring. A lot of people could careless about a work like The Odyssey, and feel it has no cultural relevance today. To me and many others it has a lot of cultural relevance. Abridgments and translations of The Odyssey exist, but I still prefer to take the extra effort it takes to read the thing in the original Greek.

It may sound silly to compare SW to The Odyssey, but as much as some people will try to argue that SW is not culturally significant, or that it is hardly a classic, that it was just a passing pop-cultural fad, etc.

AxiaEuxine said: I wasnt belittinging its cultural signifigance. I agree with you . I doubted the sincerity of people saying that was one of the reasons they wanted the unaltered trilogy.

They have a very poor understanding of "classic" and "culturally significant". The literary critic Northrop Frye put it best when he defined a classic as "a work that refuses to go away". Those seven words absolutely define the OT's success over the past thirty years. It is most certainly a classic, hands down, no question. As for culturally significant? Hell, it would be impossible to count all the times SW has been referenced in other movies and TV shows. A popular modern TV show like LOST, for example, is so packed full of SW references, I have a hard time imagining what it would be like for someone who has never seen the OT. LOST is not the first show, nor will it be the last, to have countless SW references and in jokes scattered throughout its episodes.

If that isn't culturally significant, I don't know what is. SW holds more cultural significance for us today than most of those old classics that have been held in such high regard for so many decades.

bkev said:

I tried to be nice.  really, I did.  Axia, you DO know I grew up on the SEs right?  I've said it many times before.  I only care about the OUT because I think its wrong to try and replace something like that.  I care that Greedo shoots, but not enough that it ruins the movie for me.  Some it does, not me.  So don't lump us all into the same group of "OMG ITS LUCAS DIE DIE DIE" :).  I really just care becasue of history.

Also, try the edit button.

 No I didnt know that you grew up on the SEs. Im not in the habit of checking profiles before post.

Ill try not to do group lumping anymore.

As for your Edit button comment...I didnt realize I was submitting a term paper. (I know that sounds bitchey but it bugged me.)

Post retracted :D

xx

Vaderisnothayden said:

If anybody's not thinking for themselves it's the people who uncriticially swallow whatever crap Lucas puts out without raising objection.

Nooo your just a bitter, jaded, Star Wars...ex-star wars fan. Like I recently said I cant say oh I like this but not that becuase every time I post something you'll all throw that back in my face. And the Prequels ARE good movies FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!!!

Everything you haters bash the prequels and Lucas for is present in the original trilogy, bad acting, childish plots, gaping plot holes and ridiculous characters. All there in the OT boys and girls. This is why I am so completely mystified by your hatred of the prequels. It makes no sense. Its hypocritical. Not to mention the prequels dont have those now painful to look at model work and matte paintings. Brilliant for thier time but now just a sign of aged and tired movies, like, apparently most of thier fans. The only thing wrong with the SEs was that enough of the shots that needed updated weren't.

I dont want to write inflammatory <sp?> things I want to discuss. But I want to share my favorite thing in the whole world with its fans. So let go of this hatred...for once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. The prequels are every bit as good as the OT. And in some cases better...PT = 100% ewok free

TheBoost said:

I think the LucasBashing really stems from how he kind of pisses on the fans with his issues over the real versions of the OT. I know it's his personal philosphy of film, but it's kind of a douche bag philosophy. I think the personal distaste fans have garnered for Lucas over the SE/DVD fiasco has also colored their perceptions of the PT, whereas instead of being flawed films by a filmamker we like, they become a slap in the face by someone with 'no respect for the fans.'

EXACTLY!!! (well some of it) Ohhh I didnt get want I wanted for the OT DVDs. Everything Star wars is crap and none of it is good! I hate you all! :::holds breath and crosses arms until he get what he wants from movies that belong to someone else::::

And give the "cultural signifigance" argument a rest. I would be amazed if any of you actually care about that. You want "your" vision of Star Wars and thats all there is to it. At least be honest. Cultural significance indeed.

To say Lucas had no respect for the fans is utter tripe. Its more accurate to say that Fans have no respect for Lucas.

I really dont know why you all continue to bitch about this. As members of this forum you all know how to get hold of rather nice copies of the Original Trilogy in all its OH my Lord these scenes need to be replaced/updated glory.

And don't get me wrong I just want to share my favoritist thing ever with people who feel the same way. I want to discuss the latest episode of the Clone Wars every week but I dont DARE go there. Oh No No. Its so frustrating

see you auntie said:

How am I bashing or more so how can one misconstrue that comment as Lucas bashing when one simply wishes that an alternative or special edition not replace the original, shouldn't they both be allowed to co-exist?

I am going to forgo my opinion on that matter and answer you in this way. Star Wars is the property of Lucas. He can do with it what he pleases, whether you, I or the guy next door likes it. It IS his.

And I apologise for accusing you of Lucas bashing. I just expect it to be the default status of most Star Wars fans nowadays....unfortunantly

Vaderisnothayden said:

AxiaEuxine said:

C3PX said:

You seem very insistent on failing to understand us...

Sorry about that...you could be right. I had just come from a thread with bashing running rampant...probably set me in the wrong mood.

Ok, here's some basic principles: When it comes to Lucas's ouput 1997 onwards, Bashing = Good. Gushing = Bad. Ok?

 

Heres some food for thought just becuase I dont agree with you on something doesnt mean I have a little shrine to Lucas in my basement now does it. It doesnt mean that I LOVE everything he does now does it?

Lets assume for the sake of argument that there was something I didnt like about Lucas or post 97 Star Wars. If I said that in this forum I could not make a single argument about anything without someone throwing that nebulous thing in my face everytime now could I? Im not gushing.

see you auntie said:

I find it ironic that on the new cover the stars are less visible or all together gone.

Other than that I wish you the best of luck with your project as long as these new edits are alternatives to the originals and aren't intended to replace them ;)

The star field is easier to see if you hit the link for the original size and not one made to fit this forum better.

well I dont own the originals so I cant replace the originals with any thing I might do. I assume your comment is Lucas bashing Special edition inspired?

Bryan Singer might have been interesting but the rest of the directors listed here are not Star Wars material...Spielberg cant even direct movies he used to be able to direct anymore...Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Complete Crap anyone?

Out of curiosity why do you all "wonder if" endlessly about the prequels? You hate them, that isnt going to change. Its evident in any prequel edit Ive ever watched. Where most OT edits are much more carefully edited, in an attempt to make them better movies all prequel edits are designed to change them, to make them "better" movies and it shows. Every true prequel fan edit has been a jarring hack and slash job trying to turn the movies into something they are not.

DarkFather said:

I don't think most of the complaints are the user's own initial thoughts from having watched it a lot of the time. I think they've been socially programmed by hanging around certain people, constantly hearing the same complaints, and then absorbing it into themselves while assuming they had the same "initial personal thoughts" as their friends. I've known too many who thought the PT was "okay" for the longest time before being exposed to hate lists and whatnot.

And I don't believe in censoring. Read hatelists and negative humor articles. But keep a clear head.

I guess those things have a tendancy to program people through repitition of a statement. You'll soon walk away thinking the author's thoughts were your thoughts originally, when in fact, if you had been mindful, you might have still walked away thinking the PT was "okay" rather than "goddam worse movies ever made."

Sure, sometimes we delude ourselves and need corrected on our thinking. But ask yourself: how is the person telling you these things any more credible then you are in the area of OPINION?

Think about things you read that appeal to emotion, therefore easily manipulating you. Take what seems sound, and cast all the other stuff away.

 Thats funny becuase I think the same exact thing about prequel haters. I dont run into ANYBODY that actually likes them. Youve all let your opinions been completely colored and programed by your buddies, media the dog in the next yard.... Its the only explanation from walking away from the prequels and not thinking they are good movies... But to each his own.

darkempire37 said:

awesome job!!!I noticed you fixed the logo and gave a glow to the yellow tagline above it.these comics are classics of my youth and I own just about every one of them as well as all seven volumes of the a long time ago trade paperbacks dark horse put out back in 02-03.For what I shelled out for them i wish they would have done something like this as well.what program did you use to do this?and yes,you definetly should try a shot at the interiors.nice work.

 Thank you! I used Photoshop CS4.

I havent RETURNed to it yet, but I will

Just becuase you all hate the prequels and anything else that came out post 83 doesnt mean you shouldnt still enjoy whatever is left. I for one think theyve ruined the Bond franchise with the last two movies. Are they decent spy movies? Sure but they arent Bond movies. I still enjoy the movies that came before though. Im not going to let the fact that holloywood needed to gut the franchise of any Bond like things to make ordinary spy movies that appealed to a wider audience stop me from enjoying Goldeneye and any other Bond movie.

So just becuase you think Star Wars went in some direction you didnt care for dont let it stop you from enjoying A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, three of the best movies ever made.

C3PX said:

You seem very insistent on failing to understand us...

Sorry about that...you could be right. I had just come from a thread with bashing running rampant...probably set me in the wrong mood.

Cant decide if I want to continue working on just covers or seeing what I could do with an inside page.

Polish a turd? Yes this art and design is pretty awful but its also a classic. I gave luke a red saber becuase editing the pink and red saber of the original was taking more time than I wanted to invest.

Thanks for your feedback.

I originally got this idea from somewhere on these forums but I cant find the thread so I decided to start a new one. That thread delt with someone re-editing Star wars comics into a story he would like. I mention it becuase its where I got this idea from. Kind of a Star Wars Marvel Comic Special edition. Ive posted my first go and wanted some feedback.

I know most of you hate anything being done with the classic movies. Im hoping you like this though

Original 1600x1836 size here.

The idea of a secret love between Padme and Obi-wan has got to be one of the WORST ideas floated on these boards in a long time. The fact that they didnt do it, an obvious plot development is just another thing that the prequels did right.

That trailer was well edited but NO!

Wont you have background hiss with LP?...Unless your using a brand new needle with never before played records

No, its a blade color. I dont think that we need to instill some special signifigance into Luke's blade color. The good guys have blue and green (and Mace's purple) and the bad guys have red due to the synthetic nature of the crystals they use. I see no reason to make every blade in the prequels blue, that would be boring.