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I don't understand a site or other sites that openly criticize use here at originaltrilogy.com for scrutinizing the current state of the starwars franchise. The Original trilogy is the foundation of this website, and that detail alone is the backbone of the whole community here. Don't see why those other websites cant see that. I would haft to say that if your interests in the starwars franchise go beyond the original trilogy, then maybe this site is not for you. It would be better for you to stay with a community that treats all the movies equally.

I would like to think the LD GOUT would sound better than the DVD GOUT because the LD GOUT is PCM stereo surround, where as the DVD GOUT is Dolby Digital 2.0, but thats just my own opinion.  However, to really benefit from PCM on Laser disc your player has to have a PCM digital out ( most of the cheaper Laser disc players of the time didn't have it). And analog outs sound crappy due to the players poor D/A converters.  I wish I had the GOUT DVD's to  do an A/B comparison.

Davnes007 said:

Can't happen. Like regularjoe said, it was probably laser-rot.

Nope, wasn't laser rot at all. They where actually damaged by a cheap player ( cant remember the brand ) that actually ran hot quite often and it warped the discs enough for them to get scratched and that messed up the playback.

This happened way back in 1990 and I would have never thought that at the time, a laser disc could warp like it did in that player.  I had a friend who had a cheap pioneer player that warped a laser disc of Predator because it also ran hot for some reason. I actually had a Johnny Mnemonic that suffered from laser rot.

I still have the 1995 THX and 1997 SE laser discs. I had the pre THX lasers prior to getting the THX versions, but they had developed video problems from too much use so I had to get rid of them. They where basically unplayable. To really enjoy these older versions you need to use your Laser disc player through a video processor. Todays sets have crappy analog comb filters and color decoders.

Do a google search and find one that fits your budget.  I still have over 100 laser discs, and I still watch them periodically.

It's not that they completely don't care , it's  more of a it's not a concern if there are no complaints.  Most theater chains are understaffed when it comes to projection tech's. They may have 1 or 2 techs servicing 100 plus screens and they cant spend a whole lot of time at any theater they visit. So alot of problems go unaddressed. Aperture problems seem to be the most common, and a problem that strangely doesn't get to many complaints; However, they are a major pain in the ass  to correct. You have to recut and recut the aperture many times to fit the screen proberly, and then you have to readjust the lense and masking to fit the new plate if they need it.  Most of the time the tech's just check the bulb, projector belts and chains ( if they have them ), the sound chain, and  platter systems when they do a projector maintenance.

Middle of the day on a Friday, so barely anyone attending or running the theater. This time I know the movie is academy going in. I get there during the trailers, and oh man, I immediately know something is wrong. It's the trailer for Drive and the light is spilling onto the top and bottom black curtains which are still set up for scope. I've learned from experience that if something is wrong during the trailers, it's gonna be wrong during the movie. I run out and tell a guy about how they gotta open up the screen in auditorium 7. The guy says "ok," gets out his walkie-talkie and I run back. By the time the movie starts, they still haven't fixed the problem. I run back out to tell the guy again. He gives this frustrated look as he reaches for the walkie-talkie, a look that says "I told them to fix it."

Sounds like they had a newbie up in booth that didn't know how to change over the masking. My main complaint with AMC is with the shutter ghosting during the 35mm presentations. I also have big issues with their IMAX presentations regarding the shrill sound at insane levels. I will never watch IMAX at AMC again.

When the logo appeared after the end credits, it was spilling out over the 1.85:1 screen, which told me that it must've been 1.37:1 full-frame academy for that one shot. Of course, this means that the projectionist also didn't have the projector plate set up properly. Luckily that didn't matter. The print itself must've been hard-matted to 1.85:1, otherwise that spill-over would still been going on during the whole movie.

Screens are not 1:85:1. The screen pretty much fills the whole wall. The screen masking is what frames image at either scope or flat. It sounds like the aperture plate for the movie you watched needs replacing  if you have image spill from a flat print thats not matted. I have seen that many times. Sadly, most all aperture plates are not cut exactly to academy standards.

Digital projectors as opposed to 35mm projectors are alot different. They use only one lense and everything is set electronically. In fact, they are so different that they require a laptop with networking accessibility to set up.

Word has it that Geore Lucas is something a pack-rat. He doesn't throw away anything. Everything for the original starwars still exists. Don't ever believe what they tell you otherwise. They still have original negatives to starwars in cold storage. Every bit that was shot for starwars is in cold storage. It may not be in one piece anymore, but all the shots still exist. A far as them being useable, probably not, but they can still be used to make new negatives, just like they did for the 97 special edition. Which makes me strongly believe that they have already updated the entire original negatives for future use.

Ultimately, George is still just milking the franchise, and I would not be surprised if Lucas is testing the audience with these blu-rays, seeing how they react to some of the changes.  I think this is all leading up to the 3D releases where we could  very well see alot more changes.

Wow, cant believe this thread has been dead for almost a year. Time to update it......

@Anchorhead,

Practically any theater back in the day could show a movie in scope, providing they had the proper lenses and aperture plates for the format. Theater size has nothing to do with it. Also if the image spills onto the curtains then the aperture plate was not cut right to fit the screen. A common problem still for cinemas today. As far as the cropping goes, ( again ) it's mainly due to an improperly cut aperture plate, and most theater chains don't care much about that to fix it, especially if the theater is not getting any complaints.

@ EyeShotFirst,      I would like to see your executor model please :D

Awesome stuff Ady. I suggested updating the fox logo some time back but never got a response from you about it, or that I can remember. Good to see it has been updated.

I said it once and I will say it again, Ady you need a vacation from this edit.   You could take 3 years off from this if you wanted to and it wouldn't bother me at all. I know that when it's finished, it's going to absolutely rock. So take all the time you need.

Just caught the new clip, looks awesome Ady!   It doesn't matter to me if the ties are blue or grey. It will still be the same movie.

Hope everything is going ok with you at home.

Ady, don't worry about the edit. Just spend much needed time with the family.

Man I just found out about this. No words can never really express how much we all here feel about your loss Ady.  My most sincere condolences to you and your family.

Ady, you should have taken a vacation from this edit a long time ago. Spend all the time you can with your dad because family is the most important thing. Our hearts here at OT.com go out to you and your family.

Lol, I just watched the first release trailer a couple of days ago and thought how cool it would be to see a new one. Well I log on here and what do you know, a new trailer.

Awesome work Ady, It's so good that I think Lucasfilm  could very well copy a few of your ideas for their 3D release. I have been hearing more and more that the Blu-ray release ( regarding the original trilogy ) this fall are just 2004 dvd versions.

Anyway, About the digital Falcon, are you using mostly digital shots, or are you going to mix them up, half digital and half Fine Molds?

The verbatim discs  I used were the +R; however, burn speed might not be the problem. I have ripped and burned many dvd's faster than 2.4 and they work in the sony. It's mainly the fan edits of ( any kind ) that wont work with in player. All store bought DVD's and Blu-rays work fine, so firmware is not really the issue IMO. Lenses are clean. Unplugging and plugging back in does not work. I guess the problem is with SONY. It just wont play certain discs.  I will trying burning it one more time at 2.4 and see if it's the burn speed that the player has a problem with. Maybe the fan edits need to be burned at a slower speed.

Thanks for the feed back folks!

ChainsawAsh said:

I'd say it's likely a bad burn - are you using Memorex media, by chance?

Sorry moth3r, had to reply to this.

I used Verbatim Dual Layer dvd roms, ( the ones made in Singapore ) for the burn. It could be a faulty rom, but I don't have any more to test out.  I still have all the original files. Guess I should go out and get some more dvd roms and re burn.

TV's Frink said:

That doesn't make sense.  Most fanedits are DVD compliant.  I can see you having an issue with AVCHD, or other formats like avi, but DVDs (including ANHR) should work on pretty much any player.

ChainsawAsh said:

Sony doesn't support standard DVD format?  Somehow I doubt that...

BloodnoseThePirate said:

What? Really? It plays fine on my samsung blu-ray player. I don't see how that's even possible.

Oh, it plays store bought DVD's fine, but pop in a fan edit, and all it says is "unknown". Firm ware has been updated, and I have tried it on other Sony Blu-ray players and it still wont work. I have a Sony BDP-S350. 

Seems to work on most standard dvd players though except for the SONY brands. Haven't found a Sony brand yet that will play it, including the Playstation 3. It will; however, play on my Denon. I have been told that Sony doesn't support Piracy, so they don't include the mpeg codecs that fan edits use on their players. Mpeg codecs are not all the same, even if they are dvd compliant. If I'm not mistaken Ady uses Directshow pro for all of his encoding, and those mpeg codecs it uses are not supported my SONY.

Now dvd Rips are a different story, they work on any sony player, because the codecs don't change when you rip and burn to another disc. I have tried many of those with great success.

I hope the AVCHD codecs that Directshow pro uses are supported by Sony, or I'm going to have to settle with the DVD-9 and just play it on m dvd only Denon.

Wow, this thread has really turned to the dark side.

Anyway; Ady,what ever format you choose, I hope it's compatible with my sony blu-ray player, because A new Hope: revisited sure isn't. Sony doesn't support the majority of the codecs people use for fan edits.

Yeah Ady, were just merely creative consultants here. I don't think anyone here would demand that you change something just because they themselves don't like it. I pretty much like all the changes you have done so far. I really don't have anything to complain about. The work is top notch.

Just watched the new clip Ady, awesome work as usual. Looks alot more like the ROTJ emperor; however, there are 2 small details I thought I might point out that could be tweaked just a little bit. The detail on the forehead seems to be a tad bit strong when compared the the rest of the face. My attention keeps getting drawn to it. Is there any way you could soften/lighten the detail in that area just a little bit. The second thing is that I'm noticing a weird movement with top have of the face ( from the bridge of the nose on up ). It seems to have it's own movement apart from when the hologram shifts during the conversation. Could it be the shadows creating an illusion or is it just my imagination?

Did you blend parts of the 2004 emperor, and the ROTJ emperor together to make the shot?

Lol,  just write it out on a note pad, then copy and paste. That way, if your note book crashes again, you wont loose any of your work.

I would like to see the answers to some of those questions Ady.

I mention that also Kenobius, a couple of pages back. That would be a very tricky detail to add, without having to recomposite a digital X-wing, or film a model with water dripping from it. I actually messed around with that idea on my maya, but I gave up pretty quick on it because I could not get the lighting on my X-wing model to match the lighting on the one in the movie. The X-wing in the movie has a different lighting scheme apart from the matte, and live action set.

Anyway, I'm pretty content with how it already looks.