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Adywan said:

I'm using the retail.

Couldn't you have used the internet rips instead, it would have saved you the time it would have taken to rip the BD's to your hard drive and convert for editing in vegas, and you have done so much work with the HDTV source already?

Was hoping you would stick with the HDTV source, and even though the BD's are better in quality, once they are reduced to 720p, they are not going to look much different from the mkv files you have already posted.

Personally I'm not going to worry about the BD's till this edit is ready, and then when it's time,  I will just get one ( empire for empire ), and it will stay in the box un opened, out of site, and forgotten.....

Adywan said:

ESB:R will be a mixture of HDTV and Blu-Ray sources, with the Blu-Ray being the main source for the edit. I'm just completing transferring the color correction to the Blu-Ray and then I'll be reapplying the FX work to the sections that are using the new source.

Which blu-ray source are you using, the internet rips, or the retail?

I suspect that lucas and Speilberg had some big arguments about that also.

Bingowings said:

The television broadcasts are the 2004SE, I have the DVDs, I've paid for them four times (because my sister and god children wanted them), the television broadcasts are not available on blu-ray (the resolution is different from the BD sets and they have different properties).

Yes, thats the point I'm trying to make. The HDTV broadcasts are essentially the 2004SE. I already own the 2004SE. This HD for HD rule makes no sense especially when the source material is not the same.The BD's are a different release. So why pay the content providers for a fan edit thats based from a release that I have already paid for?

LOL, lucas might as well just remake the original trilogy. Cast new actors, re write the story ( to better fit his prequels ). It's the only way to update the CG. Constant tinkering with the original sources is only making the over all movies worse, seeing as how they are repeatedly being altered and changed for no other reason but to make more money. I'd be willing to bet that no one would really care.

Well, in that case. I will wait till Empire is available separately on BD ( on sale of course ), and then the same for Jedi, and A New Hope.  I'm not going to spend a load of cash on a box set just for Empire: Revisited.

I just don't see it happening anymore, and looks to me that people just want the new versions. So I guess George wins.

CO said:

After seeing the first weekend sales of the BluRay, it just shows me that Lucas could care less if we are still fans of the movies.  The one thing you to concede about SW is that it continues to build fans with each generation.

 

Now I do not condone Lucas actions towards the originals, but why should he give a shit about the originals when this boxset sold well enough to keep the Lucasfilm gravy train rolling?

I have always said as long as a SW release is popular, Lucas will never change.  The SE in theaters made loads of money, the PT movies made loads of money, the 2004 SE DVD's made loads of money, and now the 2011 Blurays will make loads of money.

There is no way Lucas needs to give in about the OOT, because there is enough fans who enjoy the SE or don't care about the changes that offset us. 

Sorry guys, but I put my hands up at this point, and these sales figures show that we are not winning the battle.  Lucas can do whatever he wants, and I can't come up with a reason in HIS mind that he should remaster the OOT.

More than that, the saga box set set a new record for the best selling box set of all time. So I guess that tells Lucas that any future version of starwars he releases is an instant gold mine, no matter what he alters or replaces. That pretty much kills any chance of a BD OUT from ever happening.

So I guess then next incarnations ( the 3D versions ) will have even more alterations and changes.

If a project is sourced from an HDTV broadcast, and that movie has subsequently been made available for purchase on Blu-ray Disc, you are expected to own the BD before obtaining the fan project.

Well, since the HDTV broadcasts are not on blu-ray, then I don't have to get them, right?  And whats on Blu-ray, is not being broadcasted on HDTV......

Fixed! :D

Steven Speilberg regrets altering 'E.T.;' Will release ' E.T.' and 'Raiders' on Blu-ray in original forms. http://www.slashfilm.com/steven-spielberg-regrets-altering-et-raiders-hit-bluray-original-forms/

Maybe this could encourage George to release the OUT on BD.

Yeah, he did say 720p, but seem to remember him saying he might go 1080p for jedi.

Anyway, they are going to look great, and in many ways superior to the Blu-rays IMO.  I'm hoping to contribute to the edit with a money donation in the coming months. Right now I just don't have enough funds to donate.

Asteroid-Man said:

The issue with that is that broadcasts of films can only be kept for 24hrs after air date (at least for content coming out of the States.

Not true at all for the use of DVR's. I have already talked to by cable provider and they they said it was not against any copyright law to save movies on a DVR longer than 24 hours. I asked them that specifically. They all give the option of either deleting when you choose, or have the unit itself delete to save hard drive space. Even the people at my own COX center cent say that they have saved movies on their DVR's for long periods of time, like 2 years. The fail safe on the DVR's is that they all have the USB ports dissabled to prevent copying from the units.Thats why it's legal to save on the units. Some of my family members that upgraded to DVR's from COX had to delete the movies that were stored in the unit from the previous user.

And since Ady is not currently using the Blu-rays as the source of his editing, I don't feel any need to go out and immediately buy the blu-rays, unless the Administration enforce it here. I'm not totally against the blu-rays but I'm not totally for them either.  Right know they really don't offer me anything that I haven't already seen.

Mr Ghostface said:

But pushing a "boycott" of the blu-rays, that's asking for trouble. Firstly, it wouldn't achieve anything except for a miniscule, negligible dent in sales, and two, if they caught wind of it, you're asking for them to stop fan edits being published online.

 I cant see that happening. Lucas would have stopped it a long time ago if he had any issue with it. Especially with ANH revisited.

fishmanlee said:

except for whatever deleted scenes Ady decides to use in his edits (if he so chooses)

If the saga set means that much to you in that sense, then by all means go and get it.

I hope you folks haven't forgot that Empire: Revisited is only going as far as 720p in resolution. A new hope: Revisited ( the second version ) is only going as far as 720p also when Ady gets to it. I think Ady said Jedi was going to be 720p also but I'm not for sure. The official Blu-rays are all 1080p. Remember that when you spend all that money just to own empire revisited. They way I see it, I already have enough of starwars on video to qualify me to have a copy of Adys edit. I have the unaltered original trilogy on VHS and Laser Disc. I have the Special Editions on VHS and Laser Disc. I have the 2004 dvd's and the prequel dvds. I also have The Phantom Menace VHS.  Buying the Blu-rays does nothing for me.

TV's-Frink said:

Is ady even using the BD as his source?  Considering when he started the edit, I assumed he was using the HDTV broadcasts, and if that's the case there would be no need to buy the Blu in order to download this once it's ready.

I really don't see this getting shut down because a few people say they aren't going to buy the Blu and donate to adywan instead.

He is using the Broadcast HD versions for his edit for the time being.

Asteroid-man said:

And 24hrs after recording them, it's illegal to still be in possession of them. Just buy the Blu-rays...

Yeah, thats bullshit. As long as they stay in the DVR device and not ripped from the unit, it is legal to do. I record movies on my COX HD DVR device ( that I'm paying monthly for ) all the time. If it was illegal then my local cox cable supplier would not be renting them to their customers.

If the Admin here demand that we own the blurays to have adys edit then thats different. I would simply get them.

Well, in my opinion, if your already paying monthly to watch the current HD versions through your local cable/ satellite supplier, then I feel you don't have to buy the Blurays to own adys edit. They are all being shown through my Cox Cable supplier pretty frequently, and I can always DVR them.

Dark_jedi said:

my little Boy and I are going to get the Saga Set in the morning, and I can't wait to sit and watch them with him(he has already watched my custom Blu's) so you going to give me shit now to? WTF!

Thats GOUT Blasphemy man, PURE-GOUT-BLASPHEMY, lol....

Zombie84 said:

So, why can't the films all be considered and treated equally? At the very least, the OOT deserves to be treated in the same way as every other film is. But it's not. The "creator"/owner (Lucas) has disowned them, confiscated all prints, and refused to sell anything other than a two-decades-old SD Laserdisc video of the films (which is now OOP, by the way, and no longer as relevant a point of discussion). Maybe the PT and OT-SE should be made unavailable to their fans, maybe then they would understand the frustration OOT fans have to go through and understand how selfish it is to assist and be an accessory to the destruction and loss not only of millions of people's favourite films, but an enormously important part of the culturally history of both SE fans and OOT fans alike.

OK, here is my argument with the GOUT vs. SE, vs. the PT. Your basic general starwars fan doesn't care too much for the GOUT, simply because there is no quality version available ( we all know the reason why ). The only quality version available is the Altered Original Trilogy ( the special editions ). They are the versions lucas has brainwashed so many people into accepting, and they are the versions that have all the new CG effects and the color "decorrections" that are supposed to update the look to better match the prequels. Just visit's all of those sites that hate us and see how much they don't care for the GOUT. They practically worship the Special Editions and the Prequels. The SE trilogy and the PT trilogy are being treated equally, but the GOUT has been shunned by most all of Lucas's brainwashed legion. This website ( Original Trilogy.com ) was created to bring together the Hardcore fans that grew up with the GOUT and petition Lucas into releasing a quality version of it, and although the prequel trilogy is promoted and discussed here, it's still not the main focus of this site, and it's definitely not as popular as the GOUT is here at OT.com.

Anchorhead said:

The ability to own a high quality version of the films we sat in the theater and watched. The desire for all six films to be offered unaltered has been expressed many times here, regardless of how many of the six people may want to own.

I have never see the desire ( by the community here as a whole ) openly expressed a want for all six films to be released unaltered, above the quality that is offered in the blu-rays. I have only seen the want for a quality release of the unaltered trilogy here. Preferably from a 4k scan, something thats not possible with AOTC and SITH since they where filmed at 1080p, and thats probably why the altered Original Trilogy was mastered at 1080p also. Even the New altered TPM was mastered at 1080p when the print should have been scanned at 4k instead of 2k. Lucas knows that anything he puts out, people will go crazy for.

What makes you think the prequels have been treated fairly "technically"?

TPM suffers from severe DNR and is patchy in a few areas, and AOTC has now a teal cast to it, and SITH is the only one that looks like the theatrical release. 

Anchorhead said:

I feel just the opposite.  The disagreements between us and other sites comes from us wanting all the films to be treated equally.

The community here wants a proper release of the GOUT, not what Lucas has been giving us since 97, and the Original trilogy stands apart from the Prequel Trilogy and the altered Original Trilogy. I  have never seen this site openly express a want for both trilogies to be treated equally. Thats like comparing apples to oranges, it's not possible to treat them the same. There is way to much in the prequels that contradict the original trilogy.

The ones that are blindly obsessed with anything Lucas puts out are more willing to treat all 6 films equally.

Mrebo said:

There are members here who have expressed enjoyment of the PT and SE to at least some extent.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with liking any part of the PT and SE. I even like  some parts of the PT and SE my self, but my core interest is Original trilogy.

There are tons of people on other boards that share your opinion of prequels, especially TPM. I have browsed other websites that have already posted comments on the Blu-rays, and they all start with TPM and it's deleted scenes. Well actually the deleted scenes of TPM first followed by heavy breathing. You can either disagree or agree with me.